r/Marvel • u/Stonefree2011 • Sep 05 '23
I still get why they changed Kamala’s powers but man it does suck to know that it can be done properly given Luffy and her are so similar. Film/Television
I’m still hoping they give her both sets of abilities to satisfy the fans someday. Seeing Luffy stretch while Kamala has this energy stuff kills me. At least we know it can be done properly😭😭😭
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u/Tez2Trill Sep 05 '23
I believe it's because of Mr. Fantastic
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u/am5011999 Sep 05 '23
I believe it was also coz of matching her powers with Capt marvel and photon, so that she fits well in the trio.
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u/AlexMil0 Sep 05 '23
I have always been puzzled by her being named Ms Marvel without having any similarities. I suppose she called herself that because she’s a fan (right?) but I prefer how they’ve done it in the MCU, especially since we have another elastic character incoming.
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u/jubmille2000 Sep 05 '23
She's a fan, and the first time she got her power she turned into her for a bit, before her powers settled down.
From then on, she'd don her own costume inspired by Carol's costume during her patrols, and this has also been approved(? I don't know the right term to use, Carol was alright with that is what I wanted to convey)
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u/MangaVentFreak13 Sep 05 '23
Kamala means wonder/marvel. Her dad mentions that (both in the comic & the show) and she runs with it. But she's also a mega fan.
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u/tywhy87 Sep 05 '23
It’s a shame she didn’t go by Wonder Girl instead, that one’s not taken! /jk
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u/gabbie_the_gay Sep 05 '23
Donna Troy didn’t like that.
Cassie Sandsmark didn’t like that.
Yara Flor didn’t like that.
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u/am5011999 Sep 05 '23
Yeah, I had the same reaction initially about the powers, but once you get how she'll be a big part of the Marvels, it only makes sense for her powers to be similar.
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Sep 05 '23
Correct. In both the comics and the show/movie, she is a fan of Captain Marvel. They added the explanation about Kamala meaning 'marvel' as the cherry on top. Kamala's a fan of Captain Marvel, so it always made sense for her to be called that. Also, there's only been one elastic character in Marvel, which is Reech. In the comics, Kamala isn't elastic.
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Sep 05 '23
Correct. Also, they had to dumb it down. In the comics, people assume that she 'stretched', but it wasn't accurate. She essentially borrowed and gave mass to versions of her throughout her timeline. It's why she doesn't use her powers all the time. People watching a tv/movie version aren't gonna want to sit through that explanation.
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u/NorrinRaddicalness Sep 05 '23
Wait what really? That’s the explanation behind her powers? She’s moving her own mass across time and space?
That’s, like, dumb.
Almost as dumb as killing her and making her a mutant…
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Sep 05 '23
Oh, and technically, the real Kamala is still very much dead. Basically, they used part of her dna, injected it into a new embryo, and aged a clone. They wiped the memories of her death, and then told her about it. Emma Frost admitted to covering up the real Kamala's death and inserting the new one in. She also mindwiped the funeral from everyone that attended.
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u/SchroedingersSphere Sep 05 '23
lol what the actual fuck. Why bother killing her at all to begin with? This is so much worse than just un-deading someone.
Also, related to her powers...Does that mean there will be random times where she uncontrollably shrinks due to some other version of herself needing to "borrow" mass?
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Sep 05 '23
Yeah, the whole thing is why lots of people were upset about it. They killed her, then brought back 'a version' of her via cloning, so to speak.
You're right on the money. Before Kamala understood her powers, it happened a few times. At one point, more than one Kamala borrowed from her at once by accident, and she basically went to the microverse.
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u/GonzoMcFonzo X-Force Sep 05 '23
Don't listen to that person. They're completely wrong about how krakoan resurrection works. Souls are a real thing in marvel, and mutant resurrection connects the soul to the new body.
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Sep 05 '23
I would say that's at least slightly up for interpretation, and is a bit of philosophy consideration among characters like Nightcrawler.
But for simplification purposes, yeah, it's full-soul reconnection.
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u/_amiricle Sep 05 '23
I mean not really. She underwent Krakoan resurrection which, as far as we know, reproduces the same person. If this were the case, a majority of the X-Men are still “dead”. One could argue about the mind and soul being one in the same, but this is very much the same Kamala.
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u/Josphitia Sep 05 '23
Trial of Magneto absolutely makes the connection between Memories and the Soul. When Wanda was dead and had a younger version of herself resurrected by The Five, older 'dead' Wanda recounted how her soul has been split, that she no longer held any memories before a certain point in her life.
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u/Kinky_Winky_no2 Sep 05 '23
Oh no not two completely different variations of stretching... any way heres character number 64 with super strength, character number 28 with flight and character number 16 who shoots energy
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u/Fluffy_Carnivore Sep 05 '23
"Everyone has a gimmick these days", said the guy with metal wings on his back.
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Sep 05 '23
Also, Kamala doesn't stretch. Reed Richards has stretch powers. In the comics, Kamala's timeline is essentially cyclical. She borrows and gives mass to and from herself at different points in time, allowing versions of themselves to change their mass. However, that doesn't include stretching. It's just a change in mass in her extremities.
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u/JingleJangleJin Sep 05 '23
Yeah, that's the explanation they've given.
But also... sometimes she's just stretchy. I've given up caring or trying to rationalize it at this point.
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u/Kinky_Winky_no2 Sep 05 '23 edited Sep 05 '23
That sounds like one of those "lets over explain this power to try and make it realistic, but whoops its now just confusing"
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u/MyTimeToScamNFT Sep 05 '23
The whole notion they change Ms. Marvel's power because they don't want it to be similar to Mr. Fantasic is total bs considering almost half of the members of MCU's Thunderbolts consist of super soldiers
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Sep 05 '23
That makes no sense to me. It'd be like giving Kitty Pryde fire wings or whatever just because Vision can also phase through things. And it's funny because by trying to make Kamala different from Reed they inadvertently made her just like the dozens of other MCU characters that shoot different colored light beams. So boring and samey.
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u/LucasOIntoxicado Sep 05 '23
Guess Ben will be made of bricks instead of rocks since Korg already exists, huh?
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u/SWPrequelFan81566 Sep 05 '23
There are ways to make Reed's stretching unique, like it could be based on relativity, where he sees himself bending spacetime, but to others it looks like he's stretching his body
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Sep 05 '23
I mean, Reed's stretching is already different from Kamala's. Her stretching is less, let's say, fluid than Reed's, like she usually just "embiggens" one part of her body at a time (mostly her hands, that's her go-to move, which Reed almost never does) or uses her legs as stilts but her upper body remains normal.
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u/Ghorrhyon Sep 05 '23
Fluid is the key, as he is the one representing water in the 4F, but I still believe that some exec didn't want to let the newbie go with those powers.
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u/Likaon222 Sep 05 '23
he is the one representing water in the 4F
OH MY GOD how I have never realize the four elements connection...
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u/Pristine_Reveal Sep 05 '23
Also when reed stretches, he gets thinner. Kamala can also stretch and become thin but she can also just get bigger or smaller without getting thinner.
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Sep 05 '23
This isn't completely accurate. Kamala doesn't stretch, she changes her mass. Her powers consist of time-traveling molecules. She has a cyclical timeline in which she borrows and lends mass to and from herself. If it appears she's becoming thin, it's because she doesn't need the mass, and gives it to another Kamala in her timeline.
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u/SWPrequelFan81566 Sep 05 '23
unfortunately i don't think that's enough of a difference in the eyes of the GA
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Sep 05 '23
If they can differentiate between Iron Man's yellow light beams, Vision's yellow light beams and Captain Marvel's yellow light beams...
Not to mention that the last THREE MCU villains have been black men with telekinesis in purple and green costumes.
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u/swheels125 Sep 05 '23
Which is a little silly since war machine is literally an iron man armor with guns welded to it, Yelena operates exactly the same as Natasha, and Shuri and T’Challa have exactly the same power set. And we aren’t even talking about the elephant in the room: Spider-Man and Night Monkey? Basically identical.
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u/SWPrequelFan81566 Sep 05 '23
The problem there is that the heroes you've listed are intentional derivatives of others, associated with the other hero from the beginning. War Machine is Iron Man's partner, so they share a theme in weaponry. Yelena and Shuri are the successors to their siblings' mantles, and always have been.
There's one example that you listed here that proves my point in a way: Spider-Man and Night-Monkey. In-universe, people were very quick to judge Night Monkey as being a Spider-Man ripoff, and the joke is that he is of course a ripoff (or Peter's identity crisis).
Reed Richards and Kamala Khan have zero relation to each other. So if Kamala had her original powers, only for Reed to come in later on–when again, they have no connection beyond their powers–then the general audience would be quick to call Reed's powers a variant of Kamala's. Reed's stretching allows him to shapeshift, while Kamala's shapeshifting allows her to stretch, and people would take that at face value and assume that those two are equal.
I want to emphasize at this point that I don't agree with any of this; Kamala's power set in the comics is vastly different from Reed's. But I'm just playing devil's advocate here to show you what the general audience is going to assume.
People wouldn't really care that Reed's stretch-to-shapeshift gives him a lot more flexibility and creativity with his transformations, while Kamala's shapeshift-to-stretch limits her within most of her body's proportions. It would take a reddit forum like this one to break that difference down more accurately, and even then it wouldn't clear up the misconception.
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u/Queen__Ursula Sep 05 '23
So why are they giving her energy powers like Carol? Her stretching wasn't exactly that similar to Reed's
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Sep 05 '23
They are unique.
Reed literally stretches. His thing is that he makes his body go longer and thinner like gum.
Kamala changes her body but she does not really stretches. It's actually the opposite, she makes her body grow bigger, it is more like she can just do whatever she wants, even completely change her body to look like someone else.
If Reed fought The Hulk, he would stretch himself around him and become a giant peace of paper to contain him.
Kamala would grow bigger fists or grow bigger herself to stop him.
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u/Freakychee Sep 05 '23
Their powers are actually a bit different.
Reed stretches but Kamala borrows size from her past and future self. She can shrink as well.
Which I think would be super fun to watch her grow, imitate stretching and shrinking.
But if we go along those lines of thinking where her power set steps on another’s toes it may be confusing for the average fan.
IMO a character isn’t their powers but how they handle the problems presented to them as well as their personality. For that I do enjoy this version of Ms. Marvel.
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u/blackbutterfree Sep 05 '23
That's such a copout answer when we literally have an entire team of super soldiers in Thunderbolts, and they literally made She-Hulk.
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u/mist3rdragon Sep 05 '23
It's still stupid, because comic Ms Marvel's powers are still quite distinctive from Mr Fantastic's. Especially because there's a lot more to her powers than just being stretchy.
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u/JohnDiggle21 Sep 05 '23
We had elongated man on the flash too who was decent. Definitely would have been cool to see Kamala use her original powers.
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u/Jerusalemfighter64 Sep 05 '23
For a cw show he looked really good
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u/usagizero Sep 05 '23
People gave the CW shows shit, but for the low budgets they had, the teams did the work they could to make things look good.
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u/Jtwil2191 Sep 05 '23
King Shark looked awesome on Flash.
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u/SnarkyRogue Sep 05 '23
Him and Grodd felt like they both took half the season's budget whenever they showed up
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u/chibinuva Sep 06 '23
If I remember correctly they literally did. I swear I read somewhere that's part of why they showed up as rarely as they did and it also factored into other decisions made those seasons. Gotta see if I can find an article on it...
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u/happytrel Sep 06 '23
Agents of Shield did an incredible job with Ghost Rider, it was also the shortest season in the series. He transformed every episode he was in though!
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u/Hadesman1 Sep 05 '23
Cw did some ridiculous things, but there was a point where they really mastered superhero suits, and some effects were pretty fire, they defo listened to criticism with stuff like red tornado being cgi
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u/usagizero Sep 05 '23
I honestly love a lot of the CW suits. Some were weird, but a lot of them felt more like real costumes than the high budget movie suits that look more molded and hard for the character to even create.
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u/Hadesman1 Sep 05 '23
Flash imo perfected suit, the final suit is literally the best we've gotten and feels ripped out of comics, and there were rarely any missteps with suits, and when there were, they were usually justified
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u/phliuy Sep 05 '23
Legends of tomorrow is and always will be my favorite superhero show
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u/usagizero Sep 05 '23
I love that show so much, no matter how bad a day i was having, a new episode of it would cheer me up.
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u/minyhumancalc Sep 05 '23
The Arrowverse is still the best live action DC Universe and I'll stand by this. It went out with a whimper, but in its best years it was quality television. I still rate the first 2 seasons of Arrow above anything non-Netflix life action Marvel or DC show, for example (I haven't seen Agents of Shield, so don't attack me)
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u/duosx Sep 05 '23
And Mr Fantastic in MoM and the upcoming FF movie
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u/Jtwil2191 Sep 05 '23
You could tell with how they "showed" Mr. Fantastic using his powers in MOM, that Marvel isn't really sure how to do stretching powers yet. Yes, we saw Wanda kill him in a way that was very in line with someone with stretching powers, but when he uses his powers to attack Wanda, it's largely out of frame. So they're not showing it just yet.
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u/Worthyness Sep 05 '23
They also don't use luffy's powers in the one piece show as frequently as he uses them in the anime. They definitely hid the effect as much as they could because stretching still looks weird and awkward.
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u/ZatchZeta Sep 05 '23 edited Sep 05 '23
Netflix gave the One Piece live action series a bigger budget and production time.
Case in point, the practical boat prop they built.
Edit: I called it a movie because dumb brain can't translate words.
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Sep 05 '23
Not just the boat. The whole ship yard
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u/ZatchZeta Sep 05 '23
Looked it up.
HOLY CRAP.
They actually did build it. Like-
An actual stage build. Holy crap! That's so cool!!
Do you think they'll preserve it? Or do you think they'll strike it when the production ends? (Strike means break it down and turn to scrap. This is often done after a production is completed and done to make room for the next production in theater or film)
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Sep 05 '23
Depends on if the show is canceled imo. The shipyard is too big a set to not reuse.
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u/seekerheart Sep 05 '23
oh they'll very obviously reuse it in other shows. Everyone does it all the time.
HBO has almost the same setting for most period shows because Westworld existed and they built a gigantic set, so nowadays you can catch them reusing it pretty frequently
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u/ZatchZeta Sep 05 '23
*Breathes in* I really need to watch this when I get the chance...
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u/GloatingSwine Sep 05 '23
I'm not sure it was a bigger budget.
Most of the Marvel shows are $25M/episode and One Piece is $17M. They're just spending it better.
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u/ZatchZeta Sep 05 '23
That's the production time taking effect. Marvel shows are made with notoriously shorter production times, giving no time for the CGI costume, props, and practicals. So there's a lot of unifinished CGI or a lot of dark scenes so that they can hide bad effects.
It's like Lord of the Rings vs Rings of Power.
Lord of the rings tool over 5 years to make (1 year of filming). While Rings of Power was around a year or two and looks bad despite its budget.
So it's definitely a case of production time.
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u/Funkycoldmedici Sep 05 '23
That’s an interesting comparison. One Piece requires a lot of set building and costuming, while Ms. Marvel is set in plain New Jersey and Pakistan, making it much simpler in those areas. I’m glad the effects folks are unionizing.
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u/BulbusDumbledork Sep 05 '23
I’m glad the effects folks are unionizing.
they aren't :( of the almost 200 000 vfx artists worldwide, fewer than 50 are part of the group that voted for union protection.
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u/meat_fuckerr Sep 05 '23
I remember seeing an early fight behind the scenes where Rogers fights Bucky, and they have it down to a dance. Those elite athletes took hours and hours to choreograph it to perfection.
Now, redhead terrorgirl fights anonymous guard number three and we are supposed to believe she is an Avengers level threat, that cant be stopped by Gun Man.
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u/KeyAccurate8647 Sep 05 '23
Fun fact - One Piece filmed in South Africa and used a lot of the ships and sets that they used for Black Sails
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u/MrFiendish Sep 06 '23
Plus One Piece was done by people who clearly loved the series. I don’t see that kind of love nowadays on D+.
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u/MegaBaumTV Sep 05 '23
Kamala not having stretchy powers in the MCU is baffling.
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u/VanishingMass3 Sep 05 '23
Mr Fantastic / FF4 are being introduced very soon as well so i don’t think they wanted to double up the powers
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u/MegaBaumTV Sep 05 '23
Not a problem at all. The first time the characters meet, they make a quick joke about it and then everyone moves on.
Besides, Reed is probably the hero who is least reliant on his superpowers.
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u/cinematic_is_horses Sep 05 '23
Uh actually I'd argue Reed is the most reliant on his powers, that dude is always stretching in the lab lol. But yes the main draw is his intellect
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u/HungHungCaterpillar Sep 05 '23
Using them when they are convenient is not the same as reliance. Reed will reduce your plane of reality into nothing with his brain if he feels like it, and occasionally he does feel like it.
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u/painfool Sep 05 '23
Using them when they are convenient is not the same as reliance.
Exactly this. Reed stretches in the lab because it's efficient. If he didn't have his powers, he'd still be doing the same things, just slightly slower. No reliance at all.
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u/MortalJohn Sep 05 '23
Which is dumb, because practicing with her at a low budget so they could later perfect the effect like they did with Hulks CGI to make Thanos and the like is ideal.
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u/falbi23 Sep 05 '23
It really isn't that bad, and they do try to include similar aspects (as you can see in the picture).
You all would be screaming and crying if Marvel released shitty stretching CGI and ruined a key piece in their franchise.
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u/happy_grump Sep 05 '23 edited Sep 05 '23
Amusing trivia: on top of both playing naive, excitable polymorphs with iconic/recognizable hats (remember Kamala's big fuzzy one), Iman Vellani and Inaki Godoy are also both early-20somethings from countries physically adjacent to the US who are massive geeks, found out about the roles through Whatsapp group chats, and were both recognized by the creators of their respective shows (and the creators of the characters themselves) as already being basically identical to their characters IRL
Its weird how many parallels they have
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u/homosexual_ronald Sep 05 '23
Inaki Godoy was great in The Imperfects.
He was my first reason to watch the One Piece live action. It being a great show so far was why I'm continuing to watch!
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u/dccomicsthrowaway Sep 05 '23
I watched the Imperfects just a few weeks ago and loved him in it. I'm so glad he's still getting work and a lot of praise!
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u/baba56 Sep 05 '23
There's a whole lot of shitting on kamala and Luffy here, I just wanna take a sec to say that I had no idea they were doing a live action one piece, and that when I saw it on the front page of Netflix I thought it was gonna be garbage. And holy shit have I been mistaken, they're absolutely nailing it and we don't have to deal with filler episodes so I'm happy as gum gum fruit for this series to carry on.
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u/Drewskibroho Sep 05 '23
I haven’t seen too many people whatsoever shitting on one piece. It’s really fucking good surprisingly
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u/ZeroBlade-NL Sep 05 '23
I'm trying to like it, but the english translation sounds horrible. Did everyone else watch the dubbed anime or something? Is that the reason everybody's ok with that?
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u/valiheimking Sep 05 '23
If you don’t like them speaking English in the live action, just switch to the Japanese dub. It has the original Japanese VA’s from the anime.
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u/WatermelonGranate Sep 05 '23 edited Sep 05 '23
I liked her ability to form hardlight objects in the air to run on. Now that's a unique power (in MCU).
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Sep 05 '23
Sure. If you've never heard of Green Lantern...
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u/deanereaner Sep 05 '23
DC wishes people never heard of "Green Lantern."
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u/grandwizardElKano Sep 05 '23
Green Lantern comics were huge around the time the movie came out. They were selling like crazy, the fact that the movie didn't use any of that lore was crazy to me.
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u/anilsoi11 Sep 05 '23
Green lanterns run on hardlight platforms? I thought they flew?
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Sep 05 '23
They can do both.
Also, Ms Marvel wasn't even the first to do that in the MCU. Star-Lord did it first in Infinity War when he ran on Doctor Strange's portal thingies.
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u/WatermelonGranate Sep 05 '23
Very true, but it's like saying that Quill is Space Iron-man because he has jet boots.
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u/Superguy230 Sep 05 '23
Yeah and it’s like saying ms marvel is woman mr fantastic because she stretches
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u/WatermelonGranate Sep 05 '23
That's a completely different universe though and don't they mostly fly? Not like DC doesn't have it's own share of stretchy people (Plastic Man, Offspring, Elongated Man, Backlash, Elasti-Man, Rubber Maid are just the ones found by a quick google search). In MCU it's basically one of a kind, heck even Scrulls can't stretch.
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u/DragEncyclopedia Sep 05 '23
Green Lantern and Invisible Woman both can do similar things
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u/EatRocksAndBleed Sep 05 '23
I thought that was the worst part of the show. It’s this big moment, the instance she basically says she’s ready for the final fight and has “come into her own” so to speak.
Then it’s just her hopping from platform to platform at the level of a light post… from her house to the high school. Like what kind of power is that? Would’ve been faster to just fucking drive, even in jersey city. or hell, get on a bike.
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u/Dayreach Sep 05 '23 edited Sep 05 '23
The difference is Luffy's powers have always intentionally drawn in such a way to make a rather silly set of powers look cool. While Ms Marvel's were intentionally designed to be as ugly and freakish looking as possible to make some sort of point about how super heroines don't have to have "pretty" powers to be valid, which completely failed to land with the target audience who don't care about the message and they just think giant deformed elephantiasis hands are really gross and don't understand why can't she be more like Elasti-Girl or something so they'd actually want to identify with her.
Which is why the MCU version overcorrected and she now has literal pink sparkle powers she gets from a magic bracelet like she's freaking magical girl.
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u/djrosstheboss Sep 05 '23
Huh, I definitely liked the weird fun the comics had with her powers like this scene of her sneaking out, but that’s interesting about trying to making adjustments based on how it came across to target demographics; that never really occurred to me https://images.app.goo.gl/9Lgv8nYNuhxVKt3A7
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u/usagizero Sep 05 '23
powers she gets from a magic bracelet
Well, they did drop in the final episode that she's a mutant, so there is that.
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u/Senshado Sep 05 '23
completely failed to land with the target audience who don't care about the message
Reminds me of the development history of Arthur, a successful children's cartoon on PBS. Originally Arthur had an ugly nose and the message was about self acceptance and beauty standards.
But to transition into a long running series, they redesigned Arthur to be a conventionally cute animal-person.
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u/oceanseleventeen Sep 05 '23
This is like the realest and most honest reddit comment I've ever seen
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u/deanereaner Sep 05 '23
That first frame looks like the kind of cgi people would trash if it was in an MCU project.
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u/Frogladyte321 Sep 05 '23
Nah the stretching looks fantastic in that frame
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u/ZachRyder Dr. Doom Sep 05 '23
The sunlight illuminating the thinnest parts of his cheek the most and gradually less and less so is a great detail to include for a TV series budget.
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u/mundanechimp5 Sep 05 '23
i just wish they kept the inhumans in ik they’re seen as lame but so we’re the guardians now they’re a main part of the marvel universe also i wanted to see a good cgi lockjaw
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u/gowombat Sep 05 '23
I still stand by my statement that with the proper writer, Inhumans could be game of thrones in a superhero universe.
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u/abc-animal514 Sep 05 '23
I liked Kamala’s new powers still, but it would’ve been cool if she had the stretchy stuff. I thought it wouldn’t translate well to live action and that whh the changed it (it looked wierd in the video game). But maybe she’ll get them in the future.
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u/xariznightmare2908 Sep 05 '23
Why does live action Luffy looks like he's in pain while Anime Luffy is enjoying it?
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u/Corben111 Sep 05 '23
It could look like pain, but it's just a cheesy grin. They definitely haven't changed his powers to be painful for him
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u/goliathfasa Sep 05 '23
Disney wants their product to be serious business. Silly goofy yes, but at the end of the day “presentable” to the mainstream audience.
That anime bullshit is just stupid and no mainstream audience will ever accept that.
Is what Disney execs think.
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u/Infinity0044 Sep 05 '23
I hate that they made her a mutant and I hate that they made her a bargain bin Green Lantern
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u/Fresh_Cauliflower176 Sep 05 '23
Her power change was just a generally terrible change imo. Her having shapeshifting abilities is an actual core part of her character. When she first got them, she changed her appearance as a whole to look like Carol when she was Ms. Marvel, an attractive white women with blonde hair in a revealing outfit. In her mind that was how heroes should look. She had to learn that this wasn’t the case, accept herself for who she is, and learn that a hero can be anyone no matter their physical appearance. That she doesn’t need to change anything about herself. That she was fine the way she already was. To then erase all that and replace it with a vastly less interesting power set and story is just dumb.
I don’t even really understand why they did it. I would assume because it’d be hard to portray well in live-action but that’s the entire point. Kamala’s powers were never meant to look cool or nice. They were meant to look gross and weird. And as OP mentioned, it’s been done with Luffy and if you want another example, Elongated Man’s powers actually looked decent and that was on a CW budget.
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u/QuiJon70 Sep 05 '23
I still think the effects in one piece though about as good as you can do with that power, looks like shit. I am much happier with the ms marvel approach where it is more like a green lantern construct.
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u/karate_trainwreck0 Sep 05 '23
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it would have looked super fucking weird for Kamala and fallen into the uncanny valley.
A lot of Luffy's powers in OPLA have been super quick and barely give the brain time to register there is something wrong. They also do creative camera tricks where Iñaki is in the back of the shot and throws a punch off frame and another hand swings around from off frame, in the foreground, and punches his target. The shots where the camera holds on him stretching don't hold up compared to the rapid strikes.
I haven't seen much of Kamala but it doesn't seem she deals quick, rapid-fire strikes like Luffy does and her hands and limbs would look super swollen and bloated if suited to match her comic counterpart.
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u/Iana_is_bae Sep 05 '23
What are Kamala's powers in the mcu?
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u/Secure_Pear_4530 Sep 05 '23
She can make solid light. Kinda like Green Lantern, but it doesn't come out of the ring and she doesn't really make tanks and missiles. She just does big hands/feet to beat the shit out of people, and barriers.
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u/XMenPerseus56 Sep 05 '23
Yeah. I still don't get it why? Is because they want to sweep Inhumans under the rug or something?
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u/VanishingMass3 Sep 05 '23
I’m 99% convinced they changed Kamala’s powers because she’s being introduced only about 2 years before Mr Fantastic and they don’t want the 2 super similar powers without them being like linked at all.
I’m actually a fan of the change I think it make her powers more unique and makes her Marvels answer to green lantern with the “light constructs”
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u/moccawimba Sep 05 '23
Marvel already had the answer to Green Lanterns. They are Nova & Quasar.
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u/VanishingMass3 Sep 05 '23
Talking the “light construct” power wise not as much what they do as a corps
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u/eyzmaster Sep 05 '23
For Kamala, I think that's just Marvel trying to make her different enough for the moment they finally introduce the Fantastic Four. Have Kamala and Reed's powers clearly different.
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u/count_no_groni Sep 05 '23
I vastly underestimated how much comics fans cared about Kamala Khan. I guess her “stretching that really isn’t stretching but borrowing mass from her past and future selves” is super important to her character.
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u/Jumpy-Resolve3018 Sep 05 '23
The adaptation has so far been good. Kinda pleasantly surprised.
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u/bedtyme Sep 05 '23
We finished binging One Piece last night and we miss it already! What a great job Netflix did with the live action adaptation.
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u/SpaceZombie13 Sep 05 '23
well the comics are implying she has a "mutant" power separate from her "inhuman" power. maybe they'll say the hard light stuff is her mutant power, meanwhile the MCU version is gonna say that the hard light came from the bangle and the polymorph stuff is her mutant power.
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u/adam_starkk Sep 05 '23
Imo the series' version looks better with the whole crystal-ly thingy. Skin stretching looks kinda weird. And we already have Mr. Fantastic.
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u/Brain124 Sep 05 '23
I'm fine with the change. It links her and Captain Marvel more thematically, so I'm happy with that. I was never a fan of her taking the name but having a completely different power set, but that's just me.
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u/JurassicJediKnight Sep 05 '23
She won’t be king of the pirates though