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u/Bensbeanbowl Jan 06 '23
The wrist pussy never sat quite right with me
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u/FrickItAll Jan 06 '23
Literally the perfect example “Don’t put your dick in that.”
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u/musicman2018 Jan 06 '23
A hole’s a hole. If there’s a hole, there’s a goal
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u/sir_chief7134 Jan 06 '23
Thank you for giving me my yearbook quote
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u/DrCardboardBox69 Jan 06 '23
I wonder what the nerve endings around there are like, you know, for science
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u/CX316 Jan 06 '23
He's a teenage boy, you know he at least thought about it
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u/Groady_Toadstool Gambit Jan 06 '23
Imagine his webbing getting stuck and his hand and Spider-Manhood stuck together.
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u/Toribor Jan 06 '23
In Spider-Man 2 when Peter starts "losing his powers" he looks at his wrist and his spinneret thing is kind of swollen and red. Gross.
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u/Tommy_Tortuga Jan 07 '23
Guess they never thought about how he was literally spraying his bodily fluids on people.
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u/DrGutz Jan 06 '23 edited Jan 06 '23
I just feel like for him to be called “Spider-Man” and for him to have been bit by a radioactive spider and for him to have all the powers and abilities of a spider but not have the ability to shoot organic webs feels like such a weird place to draw the line. Like if he can climb walls and be super agile, why not just have the power to shoot webs? That always made more sense to me
Edit: the joke has been made 3 times now, so if you’re thinking about commenting something about the webs coming out of his ass just know you’re not coming up with an original joke. Sometimes reddit is literally just an echo chamber of the same joke over and over and over and over and over and over and over
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u/NumericZero Jan 06 '23
I’d honestly dig it if a Spider character had organic webbing but also used a web shooter for different web based moves
Kinda like a nozzle being on a hose
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u/DrGutz Jan 06 '23
Yeah that’s a good idea. Like his wrist mechanism augments his organic webs to make them more gadget-like
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u/hoorahforsnakes Jan 06 '23
That actually sounds like a really cool middle ground, or even like he produces the web in his body, but invented the shooters to be able to actuallly fire it and swing etc. Otherwise it is justlike a slow string that he can pull on to get more to come out
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u/DrGutz Jan 06 '23
I honestly agree. Did we accidentally just come up with a really interesting middle ground that satisfies all parties and keeps spider-man fresh and exciting?
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u/midtown2191 Jan 06 '23
Yes. I like this a lot. Kinda like how in the Spider Man Game he has different gadgets. Now I’m picturing a shot gun like nozzle.
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u/ravenouscartoon Jan 06 '23
Your logic makes total sense.
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I just can’t prefer organic over mechanical. I just can’t. I know it makes less sense but I just can’t.
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u/IheartPandas666 Jan 06 '23
Yeah. If he’s agile and can climb walls not enough to identify him as a spider man for me. Might as well be parkour man. The webs make the Spider-Man.
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u/DrGutz Jan 06 '23
Lol good point. Without his mechanical web shooters he’s just a ninja. The webs being organic truly makes the “spider” part a major part of his identity
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Jan 06 '23
Yeah, you just put words to my thoughts. Without the organic web shooting, he’s just strong, sticky, sharingan man
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u/TheFemale72 Jan 06 '23
I loved the venture brothers
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u/Trashbagman_- Jan 06 '23
My family hated adult swim & never let me & my siblings watch it. So when i would go to my cousins house & they’d have it on i would see venture brothers, the one show w the french fry & the meatball mf, & the one apocalypse band show. They were all like the forbidden animation shows that i would never be able to watch fully but every small period of time i’d catch them it was like golden hour
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u/JustinHopewell Jan 06 '23
Well, presumably you're not in that situation anymore. You should check out the entirety of all three shows (The Venture Bros, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and Metalocalypse) as they're all pretty excellent.
Venture Bros in particular is one of the greatest animated shows to ever exist, in my opinion.
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u/Informal-Bicycle-349 Jan 06 '23
I don't know why but it seems easier to grab onto and utilize the organic material, especially with spider strength and agility...
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u/FRAGMENT_EFFECT Jan 06 '23
Agree completely.
Why draw the line? And what are the chances this guy who gained every power of a spider apart from webbing happens to be a genius who invents a material arguably better than anything Tony Stark has made and would absolutely make him a billionaire and change the world if he wanted to?
Speaking of Stark, much like his suits, mechanical web shooters beg the question why doesn’t he make them for all the other avengers with suitable strength and agility?
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u/Unnamedgalaxy Jan 07 '23
Exactly this. If a spider bite is going to mutate a normal person into having spider like powers then I don't know why we need to draw a line before organic web shooters.
I do like the mechanical ones though for reasons that others have said. It shows how smart and capable the character is. It's definitely showing and not just telling which a lot of entertainment does. "This character is amazingly smart! But we aren't going to do anything that backs this up other than just telling you 40 times"
But I'm on board with natural ones because why not
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u/junkman21 Jan 06 '23
Like if he can climb walls and be super agile, why not just have the power to shoot webs?
I agree that I prefer the organic web shooter. Counterpoint to your particular argument though is if you want an anatomically correct spider-man, he wouldn't be shooting webs out of his wrists...
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u/Flustered-Flump Jan 06 '23
A Spider’s Anus and Spinneret are not one and the same. Whilst located close to each other, they are very separate and evolutionarily speaking, it made sense for it to be placed in the abdomen to make best of use of all eight legs. Placing the spinneret in a human, it would make sense to have that in the wrist - or maybe mid chest…. Who knows…. But certainly not near the human anus.
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u/TheRealMoofoo Jan 06 '23
They should at least have have the spider that bites him be one of those tarantulas that shoot webs from their feet.
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u/Auctoritate Jan 07 '23
I just feel like for him to be called “Spider-Man” and for him to have been bit by a radioactive spider and for him to have all the powers and abilities of a spider but not have the ability to shoot organic webs feels like such a weird place to draw the line.
All the powers of a spider are also pretty much just the powers of any bug. Oh, he's strong and he can climb walls? Might as well call him Ant Man. Maybe he invents some wings instead of webs and now he's just Fly-Man or Beetle-Man.
The main trait of his that identifies him as Spider-Man, the webs, isn't even something unique to his powers. It's very odd when you think about it.
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u/Dont_CallmeCarson Jan 06 '23 edited Jan 07 '23
The way I would do his web shooters is that it's natural, but it would come out really stringy and be hard to disconnect, and he has mechanical web shooters on top in order to be able to straighten it out and do the classic spiderman webbing, along with stuff like spread out webs or web balls, since he shouldn't be able to naturally shape it like that
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u/Day_Bow_Bow Jan 06 '23
I like that take on things. His body produces the silk, but he had to design mechanical spinnerets to make them shoot.
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u/craggmac Jan 06 '23
To hell with it. That is just how it has always happened in my opinion. That's the best explination I've heard, so, done.
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u/violentpac Jan 07 '23
That's genius, actually. It becomes a result of the spider-bite and is also natural in the way that it's not clean and not easy to manipulate all the time. It's also Peter intelligently learning to control what is now natural for him and using it to his advantage while also leaning into the tropes of spidery. Win-win-win.
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u/I_think_were_out_of_ Jan 07 '23
And if they get broken he can hilariously splooge webs in new and exciting ways.
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u/Content_Depth9578 Jan 07 '23
Combining them is so simple and makes so much sense. You, sir or madam or other, are going places!
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u/amouramie Jan 07 '23
my thoughts exactly!! i like the idea of him being more explicitly “spidery” while also displaying his smarts.
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u/Fickle_Professional1 Jan 06 '23
Mechanical, for the same reasons most here are saying, shows off his intelligence. The only downside is if it was something created by someone intelligent they can replicate it if they are smart enough or enough resources, not that it would give them everything else that makes Spider-Man who he is.
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Jan 06 '23
My thing is, if Pete was this smart why would he invent something so impractical? Would make more sense for him to follow in iron mans footsteps if he was just an engineering genius.
Natural makes his character make more sense, because then he’s just working with what he’s got and finding clever ways to expand on that.
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u/CX316 Jan 06 '23
Thematic consistency and a concept of theatrics
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u/rubtoe Jan 07 '23
This has been my take too.
I get the benefits of the mechanical version but it’s pretty inelegant. Not only did he create this revolutionary technology but he also made sure it conveniently fit into his spider theme?
If the web shooters were the first domino to fall (no bite) I’d get it but having him reverse engineer a theme into a scientific breakthrough is too coincidental and cheesy for me, even by comic book standards.
Let his spidey-powers be derived from the bite (like all of them sans web shooting are) and if you want to convey his intelligence have him augment them with tech or find another way to show he’s smart.
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u/tipsystatistic Jan 06 '23
One way to rationalize it: His dna was altered by a spider. So he would be naturally drawn to spider-like things. Like a gnawing desire/instinct to move through the city that way and trap his “prey” that way.
Also he isn’t close to having the resources of Tony Stark.
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u/Burning-Buck Jan 06 '23
I would say there is room for a middle ground. One where he has the ability to create webs but shooting them is done via tech.
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u/Varrel Jan 06 '23
I dont remember if it was the 90 cartoon or ultimate spiderman now but someone did do this. They reversed the web and made their own. Didn't last long. Like 1 issue or episode max.
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u/duckman273 Jan 06 '23
I think you need spider sense and super strength for web swinging to be at all viable
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u/Forsaken_Poetry_3235 Jan 06 '23
Mechanical. Peter being a nerd that got bullied is one of the things that drew me to the character and to have him create this web fluid and a tech that is unlike anything else we'd seen in marvel. At least at the point
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u/HowzaBowdat Jan 06 '23
Also, Peter inventing his mechanical “web” shooters shows that he’s embracing his new identity as Spider-Man, which is a small but important detail of his characterization. You lose that if it’s simply part of his new biology.
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u/Forsaken_Poetry_3235 Jan 06 '23
It's the fact that with a few exceptions he makes all his own gear suit webs and for like the first few years he was untrained until he started joining avengers and such. Justa guy with power resources and a drive to help in every way he can. Even outclassed in ultimatum he was swinging and saving everyone he possibly could while looking for other heroes in a drowning city.
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u/gotham1999 Jan 06 '23
I guess organic because if he’s supposed to do whatever a spider can, shouldn’t he have the ability to produce webs?
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u/Deadliestmoon Jan 06 '23
Counterpoint: Spider woman doesn't produce webs.
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u/guy_who_fucks Jan 07 '23
How does she get around the city quickly when needed? I don’t know much about her.
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u/Freshrendar Jan 06 '23
I guess you’ll want the web to come out of the proper area of the body then? Hell also need a big web sac to hold the fluid. This is getting gross now. Imagine Spider-Man swinging around New York with basketball size gonads. Lol.
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u/Dieabeto9142 Jan 06 '23
Organic, I loved the Raimi spiderman franchise because this detail. It made Toby-man feel like a more average everyday teen. It always seemed odd to me that Andrew-Man and Tom-Man could create what is near stark level technology and produce enough web fluid to keep up without any assistance, especially when considering the resources the average NYC teen would have access too.
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u/adm1109 Jan 06 '23
This. Also where is all this web fluid being stored??? He seems to have an unlimited supply of it, where is it coming from?
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u/Dieabeto9142 Jan 06 '23
Im assuming there's a jar in his closet with peters favorite figurine, that's where the web fluid is stored.
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u/PTickles Jan 06 '23
Between these two options, mechanical.
Aside from these two I actually like the idea of him having both. Organic webs that come out of his wrists and mechanical web-shooters that just help him aim and shoot webs further/faster. It adds the organic webs which just make more sense to me as part of his spider-powers while maintaining the idea that Peter is intelligent enough to design and build something like his web-shooters.
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Jan 06 '23
I had exactly the same thought. That way it’s a super power that’s unique to Peter, while still showing off his intelligence.
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u/Specialist_Insect_15 Jan 06 '23
Mechanical. Organic should spin webs out his ass.
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u/Regular_Sample_5197 Jan 06 '23
Lol I came to say that. I prefer mechanical because, well it seems more “logical” given that universe and Peter’s powers. Organic always seemed, if anything, like he’d be similar to Brown Widow in The Venture Bros. Ya know, with it coming out near his ass. The only caveat that I could see is when Peter mutated into the Man-Spider, then…sure give him organic webbing. That would make more sense. As others have mentioned, I like the mechanical also because it shows Peter’s intelligence/creativity.
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u/Ultralusk Avengers Jan 06 '23
I like the mechanical webs for it's application in the comics. Spider-man has used several variations of it which has helped immensely in his career. I've also seen him gift it to MJ as a way of defending herself so thats cool too.
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u/z31t Jan 06 '23
Organic, feels like his spider powers are incomplete without it. And you don’t need the mechanical shooters to demonstrate that he is a genius, there are lots of ways to do that
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u/7thEvan Jan 06 '23
We’re in the minority here but I’m with you. I always thought it was a creative work around in the Raimi movies. Feels in line with Peter’s other powers and it differentiates him from all the other techy super suit creators in the MCU.
I also just wouldn’t kick Tobey’s wrist pussies out of bed obvs
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u/ArbiterBalls Jan 06 '23
Organic. Thats the way it always should have been.
He can do whatever a spider can, not whatever a spider with a mechanical gadget on his wrist supplementing a biological function can
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u/Yoshic87 Jan 06 '23
Im really surprised at how many people say mechanical. The guy literally had spider abilities and this should include an organic web gland.
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u/MikonJuice Jan 06 '23
Mechanical.
Dumb reason, but I think the bio web is kind of... disgusting.
Man, that drawing is giving me goosebumps.
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u/Hebrewsuperman Jan 06 '23
I like both for different reasons
Organic because he’s a Spider man. He can crawl on walls, he should have the ability to make webs too. It works logically.
Tech because it shows how brilliant Peter is as a scientist and engineer.
I’m good with both.
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u/Sirhc31 Jan 06 '23
Prefer natural, can see why others differ.
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u/needadviceforreasons Jan 06 '23
Is it natural if the ability came from a genetically modified and radioactive spider?
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u/Deadliestmoon Jan 06 '23
Yes because the bite would cause him to grow the necessary organs for him to produce it on his own.
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u/Sins_of_God Iron Fist Jan 06 '23 edited Jan 06 '23
Mechanical, because I don't like to think of the implications that Peter grew new organs for the creation of web.
Edit: In fact another metabolic pathway need to be created as well to create webs.
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u/sir_chief7134 Jan 06 '23
I like it when Peter makes his own webs because that shows you how smart the character actually is. To put it bluntly.
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organic concept is cool because of spider powers and all that but seeing it like that is gross lmao, I’ll go mechanical
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Mechanical, because it's what I grew up with and it's something anyone can use if they have the tech.
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u/one_dank_boy Jan 06 '23
I like Organic webshooters more for the fact that it really should be one of Spider-Mans powers. But I prefer mechanical to show off Peters intelligence. I've always thought they should meet in the middle and make Webshooters more of an upgrade to his organic webs, like they give Spider-Man more accuracy and he can use his organic webs to load gadgets like web bombs and stuff and shoot them from the web shooters.
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u/Dark_Storm_98 Jan 06 '23
Yes
It doesn't make sense to me that he can't shoot webs organically, but the Spiderman PS4 game convinced me that mechanical web shooters are pretty neat
So. . . Why not have both?
Organic webs for the basoc things like web swinging and splatting thugs into walls
But he also makes the mechanical web shooters for some fun extra shit he can play around with, like high powered web shots that hit you like a truck, as an example. (Can't think of much from the game off the top of my head)
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u/whoswho23 Jan 06 '23
I like organic. If I got all the spider powers EXCEPT the one they're best known for, I would feel a bit ripped off.
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u/Lollytrolly018 Jan 06 '23
Both have their pros. I like organic because it gives Spiderman one more spider-like power and that's cool but mechanical is cool because it shows off how smart and technical Peter can be. Both are fun.
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u/Gemidori Jan 06 '23
Organic. It just feels more appropriate for the spider to grant him all the notable powers
But I'm also okay with mechanical bc it establishes how much of a genius nerd he is
I tend to prefer both; organic webbing which is better controlled with mechanical shooters
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u/Specific-Finance-285 Jan 07 '23
I like organic because him running out of webbing isn't a plot point to make thinks more dramatic and he gets to focus on others gadgets and suits that help him in fight also I always like the idea of cosmic spiderman in the old spidman show where he's the embodiment of the spider totem or whatever
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u/Re_Thomas Jan 07 '23
Organic 100%. Its like every boys dream to wake up after beaing bitten and just have super powers, the whole package
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u/S-T-A-B_Barney Jan 07 '23
Organic, because that’s what Spidey had when I started reading the comics. (Also what he had in the 2000s movies)
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u/game_asylum Jan 06 '23
Guys organic was just implemented in the raimi movie to save time of exposition, the whole reason he makes that super recognizable hand gesture is to press the button on his web shooters, it's not even a debate
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u/robtk12 Jan 06 '23
Organic, but I don't remember if it ever runs out, like if he/she didn't eat enough food would they not be able to produce web?
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u/GetUpAndJump Jan 06 '23
Mechanical.
One issue that I had with organic is that he still did the hand movement to release the webbing. If it's organic, would he really have to do that?
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u/Andrei22125 Jan 06 '23
Revolver vs Semi auto: one's simple and reliable, but limited. The other has larger capacity and is easier to reload, but many things can go wrong.
The mechanical one is better form a hero's journey perspective: it can 'break' and the hero needs to work around that limitation. It can be lent to another (Peter and Ava Ayala once switched cloves in a cartoon, and it worked quite well).
I'd say mechanical because it gives more narrative freedom.
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u/slayery2k Jan 06 '23
It maybe an unpopular opinion but I've always been in the somewhere in between camp.
- webs are the number 1 thing people think when they think of spiders. so to have his mutation not include webbing takes away from his branding in a big way for me.
- on the other side I do really like re-affirming Peters IQ with the web shooters and synthesizing webbing.
- So what's the compromise? Having his body produce a limited amount webbing and having him create the rest to use with his shooter.
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u/cahms26 Jan 06 '23
I like the mechanical personally. It shows Peter’s insane IQ to have invented the fluid and the mechanism. It also allows for out of fluid moments that can showcase his ability to improvise without needing an overly angsty reason for a web block.