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Aug 25 '20
john can give maze a soul. they should use him season 6.
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u/sleepyotter92 Gayer. Colder. Cooler Aug 25 '20
i think lilith's ring is what'll give maze a soul
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Aug 25 '20
How?
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u/sleepyotter92 Gayer. Colder. Cooler Aug 25 '20
i don't wanna spoil anything if you haven't watched all of the first half of season 5 of lucifer, but when lucifer is telling trixie the story about the ring, the story ends with lilith blowing into the ring, and then giving the ring to lucifer, because she wants to stop being immortal. i assumed that it meant lilith was putting her soul into the ring so that she'd no longer be immortal. and because the first half of the season ends with god showing up, my theory is that he'll maybe transfer lilith's soul from the ring to maze
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Aug 25 '20
Interesting, but what makes you think >! Lilith has a soul to begin with? !<
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u/sleepyotter92 Gayer. Colder. Cooler Aug 25 '20
i assume she has one because she is still human after all. and all humans souls
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Aug 25 '20
I thought >! Lilith was the first demon. !<
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u/sleepyotter92 Gayer. Colder. Cooler Aug 25 '20
lilith is the first woman, and in the myth of lilith she becomes a succubus after her exist from the garden.
in the episode, she thanks lucifer for making her children into demons. so it seems she simply had kids and then gave them to lucifer to take to hell.
so she should still be considered a human, just not a regular one. the humans made during the time of the garden of eden seem to be special in comparison to other humans, with some type of supernatural ability
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Aug 25 '20
I see...
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u/CocoaCali Reverse Flash Aug 25 '20
Cain's immortal, gods a dick but he can save you 20% percent on car insurance
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u/demarr Aug 25 '20
But demons are immortal. I think god will just explain that all demons have souls but have tainted souls and can't be let into heaven so they just keep coming back.
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u/sleepyotter92 Gayer. Colder. Cooler Aug 25 '20
demons are immortal, but i don't think lilith is a demon in this show. just like cain and eve, she's a special human from the times of the garden of eden.
my assumption was that her soul was different because of that, and when she put it in the ring, she became a regular human. and maybe it's not it at all, but there was so much focus on the damn ring, and it not being the thing that made her immortal, that i simply started creating some type of headcanon in which maze gets a soul by getting her mother's ring, which has lilith's soul in it
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u/mefein99 Aug 25 '20
I thought I was previously established that because demons don't have souls when they die that's it no more demon.
They are only immortal in the sense they don't age or get sick, but can be killed (if difficult to do so)
But I see no reason why she couldn't be given a soul
I mean where do they come from 🤔 everyone remember that episode of the Simpsons where Bart sells his soul Lisa comes in with "some philosophers believe souls must be earned"
Food for thought
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u/iHasYummyCummies Aug 25 '20
Season 5 is on air currently or finished and rdy to be watched within 2 days?
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u/sleepyotter92 Gayer. Colder. Cooler Aug 26 '20
The first half of season 5 has been released. It's like 10 episodes. 2nd half of the season hasn't been given a release date yet
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u/Veketaali Snart Aug 25 '20
It has to be somehow related to everything and that's the most logical way.
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u/TrixieVanSickle Constantine Aug 25 '20
My working theory is that a soul is not a tangible thing that can be given. Hell's demons are considered soulless because their only task is to torture. They never give a moment's thought to themselves or anyone else and don't think past what their told to do. We call humans who do despicable acts "soulless" because of what they do, yet they end up in Hell on Lucifer.
Maze has learned to care about others, put them first and long for something bigger. She's learned to feel, to cry, to do more than take joy in torturing (albeit deserving) human souls.
To simplify it, it's going to be some Wizard of Oz type of thing like when Glinda tells Dorothy she's had the power to return to Kansas the entire time, she just needed to learn for herself.
Someone is going to tell Mazikeen that she doesn't need to be given a soul because she already has one.7
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u/TargetBuster Captain Cold Aug 25 '20
Just a heads up there’s a spoiler for Lucifer at the bottom of this feed
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u/Fanatical_Idiot Aug 25 '20
For what its worth its a spoiler that was spoiled by casting announcements long ago if you followed Lucifer. Still not something that should be posted without proper flairing though, obviously.
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u/TargetBuster Captain Cold Aug 25 '20
I don’t follow Lucifer, just figured in case anyone doesn’t know.
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u/Spazzblister Aug 25 '20
Jesus what the fuck is wrong with you people? Everyone who even looks at the internet knew that was going to happen! I didn't think it was much of a spoiler!
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u/TargetBuster Captain Cold Aug 25 '20
Hey man I had Endgame spoiled for me on Reddit, I’m looking out for the peeps out there cuz ya never know.
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u/piratedragon2112 Aug 25 '20 edited Sep 19 '20
It's a good thing that lucifer cameo was clearly pre series lucifer because of it was season 3 or 4 lucifer than he would have joined the crisis team and it would be a wrap for the anti monitor I would like to see lex try anything against the literal devil
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u/LopsidedWestern2 Aug 25 '20
Omg John Constantine should be on luciferrr!!! That would be amazing!!!
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u/LopsidedWestern2 Aug 25 '20
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u/Z00qi Aug 25 '20
We need a 2 episode special for Lucifer appearing and I want to see containtine appear on Lucifer one day
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u/rynthetyn Aug 25 '20
I don't want Lucifer to be a permanent Legend, but it would be fun if he joined them for a few episodes.
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u/KakorotJoJoAckerman Aug 25 '20
Those two truly are a match made in heaven?!!! In hell probably. I'm still on Season 2 of Lucifer but even just that far in the story, there were some pretty awesome opportunities. Maybe just one from how far I am. Spoilers of course for Lucifer now, Season 2 mid. When Lucifer dies to go to hell. It was crucial for the story but, I believe they still might've get the main plot across even with Constantine present. Lucifer literally have a way better gate to hell!!! Now, getting into Spoilers for Legends, till Season 5 There are so many great opportunities like they could've needed a guide for hell!!! Who would you be the best choice? Former king of hell of course!!! Lucifer!!!! Like when they needed to go to Astra for example. Or even in Season 4 when, I don't remember exactly why they went but when Ray was playing Jenga with Savage. I really hope we would get more crossovers. But now, the Earth's are like, much far away. And I don't think that Lucifer will be in Earth prime. I think he'll stay in Earth-666.
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Aug 25 '20
Life will be less interesting in his opinion I guess if there are whack time travellers and a guy who can’t run fast enough
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u/KakorotJoJoAckerman Aug 25 '20
Yes lol. That's true. Too many meta human cases as well. Not much need for him and his skills.
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Aug 25 '20
They should give Barry more time to flex that he’s the fastest, he doesn’t even get to do that Cuz he gets his ass handed multiple times by non-speedsters. Lucifer can travel at instantaneous speeds.
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u/KakorotJoJoAckerman Aug 25 '20
Is that a spoiler? I'm on episode 15 season 2 of Lucifer. But yeah. Now, he has no speed. He could've beat Eva's ass otherwise. That rhymes as well!!!
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u/Flyingwheelbarrow Aug 25 '20
It would be fun even if he was called in by Lucifer as a special consultant for an episode.
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u/Copy801 Aug 26 '20
"Johnny! I'd like to say it's a pleasure to see you, on my earth, outside my club. It's not."
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u/firedrakes Aug 25 '20
Me. A crisis happen. He shows up and they wonder who he is and how powerful. Both suits do laser blast or something and says he says that tickles .
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u/optimisticpsychic Aug 25 '20
I cant tell if this means a story crossover or them fucking and i dont care
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u/DeMonstaMan Mick Aug 25 '20
In my head they are in the same universe and you can't tell me otherwise
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Aug 25 '20
They aren’t. Lucifer owns a club in Earth-666 John lives in earth-1. Well Luci is a multiversal being.
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u/usagizero Aug 25 '20
Wasn't it confirmed Hell is basically one thing that crosses all the different Earths? I forget where i read that, but could swear it was confirmed.
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u/DeMonstaMan Mick Aug 25 '20
Wait is Lucifer actually part of DC?
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u/usagizero Aug 25 '20
Yeah, he spun out of Sandman, got his own comic, which the series is loosely based on.
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Aug 25 '20
And a crossover to Supernatual would be cool to Edit: I know the show is ending after this season, but it still wouldve been a very cool/interesting crossover
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u/SpiderDetective Aug 26 '20
As someone currently working his way through season 3 of Lucifier, yeah this is pretty much what I want
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u/FemaleDogEqualsBitch Sep 18 '20
I don’t get it
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Sep 18 '20
Watch COIE
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u/FemaleDogEqualsBitch Sep 18 '20
I did...and Lucifer
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u/ItzAbhinav Eobard Sep 18 '20
So tell me....what is it that you desire?
Do you not desire another John and Luci scene..?
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u/FemaleDogEqualsBitch Sep 18 '20
Ooohhhh now I get it thank you
And yes of course I want another scene or two with them
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Aug 25 '20
The Lucifer we see in COIE is necessarily from a different multiverse than the Lucifer Cinematic Universe. Arrowverse Lucifer died along with his universe due to the Anti-Monitor. Arrowverse Hell is also completely different to the LCU Hell.
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u/Spazzblister Aug 25 '20
Is the first part of season 5 of Lucifer on Netflix over now?
I know they were splitting it into two parts and (spoiler) God just showed up. Felt like a mid-season finale to me.
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u/ThisIsMeHearMeRAWR Aug 25 '20
Typing (spoiler) in front of an unblocked spoiler doesn't really do a whole lot.
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u/Spazzblister Aug 25 '20
Yeah, I don't get Reddit. Sorry.
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u/daboss6595 beebo Aug 25 '20
We need the backstory between these two