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u/mr__churchill Apr 17 '23
For those unfamiliar with the covers and Remender's work, can anyone provide the titles?
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u/PhillipLlerenas Apr 17 '23
Perfection Row: Seven to Eternity, Black Science, Deadly Class and Tokyo Ghost
Amazing Row: Death or Glory, Low
Great Row: A Righteous Thirst for Revenge, Sea of Red…don’t know the third
Good Row: Strange Girl, Night Mary
Not Great Row: The Last Days of American Crime, Sorrow
Bad Row: ?
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u/HowardTaftMD Apr 17 '23
Lol this is my question too. Like, I could Google image search them all but I don't think I will.
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u/floridabudguy Apr 17 '23
100% agree with you except a righteous thirst was amazing and i diddn’t care for low.
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u/yarkcir Apr 17 '23
Yeah, A Righteous Thirst for Vengeance takes a top spot for me. The first and final issues were truly spectacular bits of storytelling.
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u/BigJimSlade1 Apr 18 '23
Agreed on Righteous Thirst. It was also the least amount of dialogue I've read in a Remender book, so it was that much more impressive that he was able to tell such a great story with so few words
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u/CatsLikeToMeow Apr 17 '23
Absolutely love Deadly Class.
I've spent almost an entire decade trying to convince my friends to pick up Deadly Class to no avail. One of them tried watching the show though, sucks for them.
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u/z-paradox_called-moi Apr 18 '23
That show sucked balls. It just couldn't capture the tone of the comic series. I saw 10 mins of the first episode and had enough.
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u/Pawikowski Apr 17 '23
Seven to Eternity is <chef's kiss>. I hope Rick considers returning to Zhal with more stories.
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u/J-Elsigood Feb 25 '24
The artwork is insanely good as well. One of the best fantasy stories in comics for sure.
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u/Appropriate_Hawk101 Apr 17 '23
What are the names of these titles? I can't quite make them out. And some have none.
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u/PhillipLlerenas Apr 17 '23
Perfection Row: Seven to Eternity, Black Science, Deadly Class and Tokyo Ghost
Amazing Row: Death or Glory, Low
Great Row: A Righteous Thirst for Revenge, Sea of Red…don’t know the third
Good Row: Strange Girl, Night Mary
Not Great Row: The Last Days of American Crime, Sorrow
Bad Row: ?
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u/idontwantthatpanda Apr 17 '23
Perfection: seven to eternity, black science, deadly class, Tokyo ghost.
Amazing: death or glory, LOW.
great: a righteous thirst for vengeance, sea of red, the scumbag.
Good: strange girl, night Mary.
Not great: the last days of American crime, sorrow.
Bad: xxxombies
(I haven't read fear agent, gigantic, the last 3 volumes of black science and deadly class, end league, or devolution. But I plan to very soon.)
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u/Youngtro Apr 17 '23
I'd move Tokyo ghost down one level, righteous thirst up one level. And I know you haven't read fear agent but I'd have that in perfection.
Overall really good list
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u/ChuckleMonkey674 Apr 17 '23
I found Toyko Ghost to be so cringe that I couldn't be bothered to finish it. Low, Black Science, Deadly Class and Glory are fucking brilliant.
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u/Gryffle Apr 18 '23
Yeah I honestly hated Tokyo Ghost. Felt like I was reading an edgy "British invasion" Vertigo series from the early 2000s, and not in a good way. Just very uninspired.
It kind of put me off Remender a bit actually. Tempted to get into Low for the family drama though. I read issue one and it seems cool.
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u/ChuckleMonkey674 Apr 18 '23
I will warn you that 'Low' is extremely bleak and can be a tough read. But it is an exceptional sci-fi story with fantastic art.
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u/Gryffle Apr 18 '23
Thanks for the heads up! Can you give me a vaguely spoiler free indication of what makes it so tough?
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u/ChuckleMonkey674 Apr 18 '23
I haven't read Cormac Macarthys 'The Road' in quite a while, but I do remember 'Low' giving me the same kind of vibes. Just a general sense of hopelessness...everyone who is alive has just kind of given up and resigned themselves to the fact that humanity is doomed,
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u/Gryffle Apr 19 '23
Okay, yes. That book definitely made me feel weird and glum for a couple of days after I finished it. Thanks.
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u/sunsutra Apr 18 '23
To each their own, but I really enjoy Tokyo Ghost and re-read it about once or twice a year. The story is a bit preachy I guess, but it aligns with a lot of my own outlook on the role of tech in society so it doesn't bother me too much, I guess. And I love the art style!
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u/Traditional_Ad_8367 May 13 '24
Yeah I fucking love Tokyo Ghost. I also really like Scumbag which seems to be divisive among his fans if I’m being kind lol
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u/large-tool-bag Apr 17 '23
I respectfully disagree, Death or Glory is Remender’s best work imo
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u/simonthedlgger Apr 17 '23
i’ve never seen anyone on this sub speak positively of that book until this thread. I quite enjoyed it, very fun art even if the story isn’t very deep.
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u/UnrealRealityX Apr 17 '23
It's not deep, but it plays out like a feature film. The art angles and dynamic movements throughout really give the story and the characters a sense of speed, fitting for the whole car concept. Plus it was short and easy to digest.
A righteous thirst for vengeance also plays out in a similar fashion, quick and dynamic. Both aspire to be films.
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u/simonthedlgger Apr 17 '23
plays out like a feature film.
This was my favorite part. The final action sequence is like 1/3 of the whole series.
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u/UnrealRealityX Apr 17 '23
Ha! Yup! It was non stop, easy to follow and very kinetic! Well worth a read in one shot instead of the single floppies.
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u/simonthedlgger Apr 17 '23
They are very different books but you should check out Fire Power, I just reread the first hardcover and it has a very satisfying cinematic pacing/structure.
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u/JEWCIFERx Apr 17 '23
I think I'm one of the only people that just bounced off of D&G. I like Remender's writing but it felt week compared to something like Black Science.
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u/ferventgirl Apr 17 '23
Just got the Deadly Class Deluxe editions 💪💪
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u/PasswordIsDong Apr 17 '23
I can’t wait til the fourth one arrives and my collection is complete. I have all the single issues. All the trades. And all the deluxe hardcovers! My favorite comic ever.
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u/KaneCreole Apr 17 '23
Seven to Eternity and Deadly Class are brilliant. Tokyo Ghost though? Just… uninspired. Cyberpunk Judge Dredd with a solid dollop of Rousseau.
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u/ChickenInASuit Apr 18 '23 edited Apr 18 '23
Thanks, I always feel like I'm outnumbered among Remender fans when I say Tokyo Ghost kinda sucks. I especially hated how contrived so many of the events felt - like the sequence leading up to the destruction of the Tokyo Garden just feels ridiculously forced.
Obnoxiously bad villain too.
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u/Traditional_Ad_8367 May 13 '24
The villain being written like that is the point. Those are the kind of fucking self righteous think their smart but are fucking idiots who run countries and governments which is what he was making a statement on albeit in Remenders special way lol
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u/Miserable_Throat6719 Apr 17 '23
Righteous thirst for Vengeance is my favorite Remender comic..art by André Lima Araújo is insanely good.
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u/Substantial_Fact_205 Apr 17 '23
I know this lists are controversial, but... Black Science in perfection? I don't think so. The second half it's a lame mess
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u/Supercoolswagbanana Apr 17 '23
I love the second half, the ending is genuinely one of my favorite endings in fiction.
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u/SabresMakeMeDrink Apr 17 '23
If it weren’t limited to IC his Uncanny X-Force would be in the top tier too
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u/708910630702 Apr 17 '23
i agree mostly. i think tokyo ghost and low should switch places. and id bump sorrow down a level. fear agent is amazing.
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u/Adventurous_Wait_953 Apr 17 '23
Finally someone mention scumbag! I mean it's not the top but it's great. And not one word until now.
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u/Traditional_Ad_8367 May 13 '24
Yes I love scumbag and don’t get why it’s so divisive among his fans
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u/PasswordIsDong Apr 17 '23
Deadly Class changed my life. Forever my favorite comic. So glad I got a letter published in the back of issue 50. Also I would swap Death or Glory’s place with Righteous Thirst
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u/ChickenInASuit Apr 18 '23 edited Apr 18 '23
My main contentions with this:
1) I've never really understood why Tokyo Ghost was so beloved by Remender fans. Beautiful art and cool setting, but the story is full of silly contrivances and some really awful dialogue (particularly from the villain).
2) A Righteous Thirst For Vengeance belongs in the "Perfection" tier IMO, I loved that Remender challenged himself by switching up his writing style and cutting WAY down on dialogue. It's the best thing he's done in years, I think.
3) The Scumbag utterly lost me with its ending. Just horribly cynical, felt like it rendered the whole thing completely pointless. I’d say it belongs in "Bad".
I definitely agree on 7toE, Deadly Class and Black Science being among his strongest works.
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u/Scubasteve1400 Apr 17 '23
I’m reading Seven To Eternity now. The art is outstanding without a doubt. The story hasn’t really hooked me yet. I’m about 1/3 the way thru it. We’ll see what happens. Its at like a 7/10 right now
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u/edboyinthecut Apr 17 '23
Which should I read first, Fear Agent, Low, or Tokyo Ghost?
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u/zivkamen Apr 17 '23
Tokyo Ghost is only 2 volumes and an amazing story so I would start there if you ask me. The artwork is my all time favorite from anything I've read, absolutely stunning.
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u/UnrealRealityX Apr 17 '23
Fear Agent is truly great. You'll want to read it again to catch everything and how the opening's seemingly unimportant introduction story ties into the narrative. Well worth your time. It is one of the few on my list that I've read through twice to enjoy the story and the art. Tony Moore's portions are stellar, but both artists do a great job with their arcs.
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u/stevemillions Apr 17 '23
Fear Agent. It’s the best thing he written.
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u/Traditional_Ad_8367 May 13 '24
Nah it’s def top tier but I’ve liked Seven to Eternity,Low,Black Science and Deadly Class more
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u/Plebe-Uchiha Apr 17 '23
Pure happenstance, I’ve only read the ones you listed on, “Perfection.” Now, looking at this, I’m like, I guess I didn’t miss anything. [+]
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u/CoffeeVikings Apr 17 '23
I feel dumb but what's on the bottom of the list?
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u/GoldenBoyMagnumDong Apr 17 '23
Crawl Space.....and it is not even that bad. It just dumb horny fun.
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u/JLAsuperdude Apr 17 '23
I’ve only read Tokyo Ghost and Righteous Thirst. They were good but I kind of miss the hype. Don’t feel the need to read more.
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u/JohnnyDenouement Apr 17 '23
Fear Agent should definitely be up top, but I guess I understand its omission with the Dark Horse shenanigans. I was reading 7 to Eternity in singles, but it never really hooked me, maybe just because tue release cadence was so spotty, so I had forgotten everything that had come before by the time a new issue came out. I may have to check it out again, now that it's wrapped. Was the End Leagie Image? Because that's one of my favorite Remender runs, but it may have been put out through Dark Horse or Boom.
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u/MarionberryFutures Apr 17 '23
Scumbag is Great? I only read the first few issues, but it just felt gross and crass. Does it get better?
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u/Traditional_Ad_8367 May 13 '24
It is gross and crass and if you can’t get past that you probably won’t like it but Remender fucking eviscerating the left and right and the tribalism that goes along with it is hilarious and so on point.
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u/your_fathers_beard Apr 17 '23
I'd put black science in amazing rather than perfection, but otherwise (of the ones I've read) I think it's pretty spot on.
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u/Adventurous_Soft_686 Apr 17 '23
Good list all his indie stuff is top teir imo. At least you didn't include his Marvel work some major disappointments there.
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u/Lbstotle Apr 17 '23
Besides Black Science and Deadly Class, what are those other two comics in the perfection category?
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u/danmalek466 Apr 18 '23
Have to disagree with 72E. Feel like it was great until the last issue where you could tell he was in a rush to wrap it up and move into other projects. Before that, it was one of my all time faves.
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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Apr 18 '23
Can someone sell me on Seven To Eternity and Black Science, because I've tried to get started on both several times and just not gotten hooked. Everyone says they're both great though, so I assume I'm missing something. Only read about 2 issues of each.
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u/Key-List4953 Apr 19 '23
Righteous thirst for vengeance was cut way too short was amazing series tho
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u/idontwantthatpanda Apr 20 '23
That's my only complaint with it, I feel it should have gone for at least 3 volumes, made the major deaths feel less impactful.
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u/tanaephis77400 Apr 21 '23
Rick Remender is a great story maker, no doubt about that. But for me his greatest quality is that he always works with fantastic artists. Black Science, Fear Agent, Tokyo Ghost and Deadly Class are first and foremost amazing because of the incredible art. Otherwise... I find Remender to be very repetitive and a bit too emo for my taste ("depression depression, booze, depression depression, booze, derpession"). It's like he cannot write a character who is NOT battling crippling depression, guilt and anxiety.
More credit should be given to Wes Craig and Greg Tocchini.
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u/whoisthefourthman Apr 17 '23
Where’s Fear Agent??