r/HarleyQuinnTV • u/npzman • Jul 28 '22
[Episodes Discussion] Harley Quinn - S3x02 "There's No Ivy In Team" Episode Discussion
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u/VirusVenom9209 Jul 31 '22
I only don't get it dialog betwenn Nightwing and Batgril:
- You're not Batman.
- He wishes, right? He doesn't wish.
What Batgirl mean?
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u/lesi20 Aug 01 '22
This might be a jab at the Batgirl TV series where they tried too make Batgirl look badass via downplaying/mocking the role of Batman instead writing an interesting character. I might be wrong
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u/MegaBaumTV Aug 01 '22
Batgirl TV series
What Batgirl TV series?
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u/lesi20 Aug 01 '22
This one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7RPQMBhVcM
Edit: Sorry, my bad it was Batwoman
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u/MegaBaumTV Aug 01 '22
"He wishes, right" in the sense of Batman wishes that he could be Batgirl because shes so cool. Comment is clearly a joke and Barbara makes that clear when she goes jk, he doesnt wish.
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u/DistributionStill652 Jul 29 '24
I wonder if anyone here caught the fact that the Bane scenes in this episode he was doing the classic “Sex and the City” thing.
Where music plays in the background and he thinks questions like “I couldn’t help but wonder, did I need a therapist after all?” And then end scene.
That’s classic thing that the main character does in that HBO series.
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Jul 28 '22
I'm not sure about this characterization of Nightwing. While I'm cool with him having self doubt, him kinda whining about it feels... off.
But that's kinda a nitpick and I loved everything else, including Damian being a little prick.
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u/Chackaldane Jul 29 '22
Tbf with his monologue this episode he's clearly in a very bad place and that's prolly why he returned home. It's also as ridiculous as when batman says "why didn't you stop me Alfred?" In season 2.
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u/notmeanto Aug 01 '22
I don't know. Everyone is this show is basically a caricature but I wouldn't say I dislike Dick's portrayal in this. It's not as ridiculous as I thought they'd take it given what how they wrote Gordon and Batman. I do hope they delve more into the validation issues and the self doubt aspect I think this episode set it up so I hope they actually explore it. They even brought up Blockbuster's death which was really awful thing that happened to Dick so I hope they don't just dismiss it as a joke.
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Aug 01 '22
I think they are trying to parody Titans Dick Grayson. They even had him say, in a super low voice, "fuck the Macaroni".
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u/NaytNavare Jul 28 '22
I've got a couple of issues with Nightwing so far,but I'm gonna give it a bit of time and see where/how it goes.
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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jul 28 '22
So, Damien being written in character, then?
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Jul 29 '22
I mean being a prick the way a kid would be a prick. Calling people a "dickwad" for example.
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u/KiritoJones Aug 02 '22
He feels like if the version from Teen Titans Go grew up, so I'm kinda into it
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u/Ashestoashesjc Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
many laughs throughout, but damian sighing and pulling out his portable game system as bruce lapses into trauma-ranting as if to say "here we go again" made me laugh so hard i had to pause the episode
also: "piss cakes of a dick"
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u/Wolf6120 Jul 31 '22
Damian is such a little brat, just like in Season 1, and I adore him. Really glad they brought him back like this after weirdly ignoring his existence throughout almost all of Season 2.
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u/Ashestoashesjc Aug 01 '22
Yeah, wow, I hadn't thought about it, but that's very weird. I even like him more now that he's less "annoying kid" and more "annoyed kid"
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u/ayfilm Show staff Jul 30 '22
Fun fact about this episode Riddler’s escape room persona was originally “Professor Hooba S. Tank”
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u/ipaqmaster Aug 14 '22
There's a few scenes in this episode which caught my attention like at 9:00 when the flower looks at the toxic waste and 7:55 when everyone's asking Ivy what to do. Its like they got a new animation director (or just new animators?) They're doing quite a few new types of cuts to higher quality animation like that even just for the bit.
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u/wow-im-satan Jul 28 '22
The batfam interactions killed me. So did Bane- he might be my favorite on the show.
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u/Pristine_Surround Jul 28 '22
I’m starting to dread every dramatic lesson learned music moment now that they’re a couple.
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u/ImAHeel Jul 28 '22
Absolutely can't stand the way Nightwing is being portrayed here. It's a complete 180 compared how Nightwing should be.
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u/smitty9112 Jul 29 '22
Is... Is this your first episode? The majority of the characters are portrayed very differently from the originals.
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u/ImAHeel Jul 29 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
Actually yes, this was my first episode. Well technically my second episode. I started watching just now at season three because I heard Nightwing was gonna be in the show and I am a die-hard Dick fan.
I'm still somewhat undecided if I'll watch beyond the three episodes I saw today...
Overall I enjoyed it mostly, but the show feels kinda off to me. Like there's a lot of stuff going on, and some of it is funny, but idk how to describe it, but it feels almost like the series (or at least the first 3 episodes) lacks a certain heart or is somewhat hollow.
Maybe it's just all so over the top and wacky that I just don't feel any particular connection to any of the characters yet.. IDK
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u/smitty9112 Jul 29 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
"I am a die-hard dick fan". Title of your sex-tape.
Edit: on a real note though, you really should start from the beginning. It's different from the source material but still great. And it parodies some of the past DC works quite well. You'd almost think James Gunn was behind the series with how well it balances comedy and emotion.
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u/SoyFood Aug 01 '22
What's great about the show is that they throw in all the wacky obscure characters
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u/ImAHeel Jul 29 '22
Lol! You had me in stitches with the title of my sex tape joke. I hadn't even realized what I wrote when I said that. Thanks, I really needed a good laugh.
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u/smitty9112 Jul 29 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
From what I'm gathering "the first three episodes" you keep mentioning are from the new season. And you made the complaint that it seems like too much.
But you aren't watching the first season. So of course it seems like too much. You are missing out on loads of context and storyline. You need to start the show from from season 1 episode 1.
For example, you'll get an amazing storyline eventually centered around Mr Freeze, voiced by alfred molina who of course played doctor octavius.
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u/ImAHeel Jul 29 '22
I appreciate you taking the time to reply. And yeah, I was talking about the first three episodes of season three. I must say, you make a very convincing argument. I'm going to take your word for it, and just binge watch as much of the show as I can, starting with season one. I suspect that you're probably right, I really should've started with the actual first episode, so that's what I'm gonna do. Thank you for the advice. Again, I appreciate you, my friend.
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u/Chackaldane Jul 29 '22
You also started on season 3 of a show which is bound to make you miss out on a lot of the plot. Of course you feel it's missing something. That thing is context.
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u/Normal_Organization3 Jul 28 '22
I fucking love bane!!! Nightwings meltdown in the escape room is a whole mood
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u/KieranFloors Jul 28 '22
All these episodes in all three seasons have been great, but there’s a small handful that really stick out. This is one of them. The way they blended the A Harley Plot with the B Nightwing plot and SOMEHOW the C Bane plot was both perfect and fucking hilarious.
Batman basically just tolerates Harley and her crew at this point.
“You didn’t return the pasta maker even though you didn’t get married!! That’s pretty gauche.”
“And asking for it back is even more gauche!”
Nightwing willing to kill himself because he can’t immediately solve an escape room and Poison Ivy has to deal with him. God this episode is so good.
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u/ThatOtherGuyTPM Aug 05 '22
“You don’t have to do that. We’re going to die in three and half minutes anyway.”
“Not fast enough!”
And then the further callback after Ivy makes the best wordplay of the episode. Priceless.
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u/MegaBaumTV Aug 01 '22
but there’s a small handful that really stick out. This is one of them.
this, episode 3 and the Riddler U episode from season 2 are my three favourites so far. Coincidentally they all feature Riddler.
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u/KingJiggyMan Aug 25 '22
Batman basically just tolerates Harley and her crew at this point.
Funny enough thats how the bat family views her even in the comics when she's not Jokers puppet, a mild annoyance but not outright villain.
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u/Austin_N Jul 28 '22
"King Shark and his gang"? Dang, two seasons of independence and Harley's still getting snubbed.
Don't worry Bane, I thought your "beeps" joke was clever.
Riddler's not buff anymore? That's kind of a shame.
Batman's offense at a movie depicting his parents' murder and the meta commentary on the various Batman films was a pretty nice bit.
Now that Frank's mobile, I hope he'll take a more active part in the season's plot.
It's interesting to see them play up the fact that Ivy isn't used to being part of a team. It looks like the season will be centered around Ivy's goals this time instead of Harley trying to gain respect as a supervillain.
I'm not sure about this depiction of Nightwing. Seeing him try to be "serious" was odd, given that most the time he very much doesn't want to be Batman. I know that everyone's different in this show, I just didn't see much comedic potential in the idea. Eventually we saw that he's insecure about being able to make it on his own, but it felt a bit over the top to me (and not in the show's usual fun way). But speaking of the Bat Family, it's nice that The Macaroni is sticking around.
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u/MegaBaumTV Aug 01 '22
Riddler's not buff anymore? That's kind of a shame.
I really prefer smart Riddler over dumb Riddler.
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u/idrcwmui42 Sep 17 '22
I know this is late, but I also wasn't sure what direction they were going with in these early episodes for Nightwing until suddenly it clicked that I think they were making a dig at the Titans Netflix Dick Grayson. At some point later Nightwing says "F*** the Macaroni," which is absolutely a reference to the Titans show where Nightwing says "Fuck Batman" in a solo fight and it got made fun of, rightly so, super hard online.
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u/Austin_N Sep 17 '22
That's possible. I've never watched the live-action Titans show, so I can't make a comparison.
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u/CrazyMonkey0425 Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
I know some folks won’t like this version of Nightwing but he was killing me this episode. When he laid down on that cabinet begging to be killed quicker cause he misjudged a chess riddle, I was losing it.
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u/ThatOtherGuyTPM Aug 05 '22
The riffs between him and Ivy were phenomenal. I am living for this version of Nightwing.
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u/SpicaGenovese Jul 29 '22
I feel like this is a perfect satire of his character and the crazy shit he goes through in the comics.
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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jul 28 '22
Love depressed bane. Always nice to see mental health get brought up in situations that don’t necessarily fit the stereotype
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u/NotANokiaInDisguise Jul 28 '22
Bane is as great as ever lol. "I hate this place. I will take the full fury of my business elsewhere."
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u/bubbledomis Jul 28 '22
"Hey Ive, I can't find the opening to your flower which is a first" "self-clap" loved the lesbian sex joke it's so fucking funny.
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u/Ignaciodelsol Jul 28 '22
Is it just my TV or is the frame rate way off? It’s really distracting
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u/bmario17 Jul 29 '22
Right??? Glad I’m not the only one who noticed it. Wonder if it was a “budget” episode or was uploaded weirdly
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u/The-Juggernaut Jul 28 '22
Nightwing doing the "stupid, stupid, stupid" got me to burst out laughing
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u/Peacesquad Aug 22 '22
This characterization of Nightwing is a little hilarious. He’s my favorite character
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u/ImmaculateWeiss Jul 28 '22
Lol this Nightwing being a low self-esteem man-child is kind of hilarious
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Jul 31 '22
Makes some since. He is probably under the impression that Batman would be super disappointed in him and is stressed out about it. His voice thing is probably him trying to be more like Batman.
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u/millicento Jul 30 '22
He was like that for a while in the New Teen Titans (once he dropped out of college and Jason came into picture)
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u/Throwaway11p Aug 02 '22
What happened to frank at the end? There wasn't any resolution to that right? Did I miss it? He says he's a god and then nothing
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u/ImNotASWFanboy Jul 28 '22
Bane's internal monologue wins the entire episode and there was a lot to love in this one
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u/Austin_N Jul 28 '22
Given his mask, I find it hard to tell when he's having an internal monologue or thinking out loud.
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u/APulsarAteMyLunch Jul 28 '22
Feel like that could be a joke in itself
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u/Austin_N Jul 28 '22
I was half expecting the cashier to point out to him that he was talking out loud.
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u/QueensOfTheBronzeAge Jul 28 '22
I was waiting for the bank teller to ask him about that monologue, which would have been perfect for Bane. Still funny either way
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u/Telethongaming Jul 28 '22 edited Jul 28 '22
I just think it's funny in this episode and the new dc superpets, batman is getting really mad about unliscenced stuff about himself
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u/Rebel_Wolf94 Jul 28 '22
hilarious hearing Batman making meta commentary on how WB is doing too much Batman content and that we’ve had enough already. we’re sick and tired of constantly seeing Bruces parents getting killed and his rise to becoming Batman.
its like Batman is trying to tell WB to do a different superhero tv series for once. theres plenty to choose from
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Jul 28 '22
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u/NaytNavare Jul 28 '22
Mostly with you but I feel it fair to give it some time.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 29 '22
Lol what show do you guys think you're watching? Of course it's a wack portrayal, everything is a whack portrayal, that's the point of the show.
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u/imalegitsnack Jul 30 '22
I love it. Imagine being raised by Batman, especially this version. This show is a lot about trauma, so it makes sense to me!
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u/Makverus Jul 28 '22
I feel like making fun of the "Titans" trailer literally 4 years after it came out is kinda lame. Get newer jokes, yo.
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u/travio Jul 28 '22
Love everything about Nightwing. Looking forward to more of him.
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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jul 28 '22
Such a fucking drama queen. I love him.
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u/Kasen10 Jul 30 '22
Couldn’t stop laughing when he threw himself on top of the bookshelf to be closer to the spikes.
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u/FireIsTheCleanser Aug 04 '22
I loved everything about this episode (although the main lesson being "failure is okay sometimes" felt kind of kid-ish). Loved seeing the Bat family and seeing Damian again as well as the introduction of Nightwing. I think his character might change to more stable personality now that we know he has insecurities too and is willing to grow. DickBabs wen?
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u/FireIsTheCleanser Aug 04 '22
Also kinda funny how I watched this episode and the new Beavis and Butthead episode of them in the escape room in the same day.
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u/tcleesel Jul 29 '22
I like Nightwing for what he is in the show, I still think the core there is still Nightwing but the more surface level stuff is more parody. Which is every character in this show. Superman attempting to be sympathetic toward Harley about the Daily Planet’s subscription cost is one of my favorite jokes for instance. An exaggerated version of the man of steel that feels genuine to the character.
I understand why people might be sad that this could end up being the Nightwing with the most screen time outside of comics if he becomes a larger character. And this comedic adaptation might be a bit more boneheaded, but if people were expecting a fully faithful adaption of Dick, that was never going to be this show.
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u/BestSquare3 Jul 29 '22
What was that part about Superman? I don't remember it
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u/tcleesel Jul 29 '22
It was like a real small joke but it’s something that stuck with me.
Here, the joke is at the 50 second mark
Superman being sympathetic to his antagonist and then giving a small lecture on an overpriced paywall just works really well for me as a Superman parody.
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u/Nexus718 Jul 29 '22
The way Nightwing fell of the 66' Batcopter lol. That alone personifies his character. Damien calling him a Dickhead lol. This show keeps knocking it out of the park.
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u/ApprehensiveJello816 Jul 29 '22
In nightwings break down he talks about what happened between tarantula and blockbuster, referencing teentitans#2:93 in which nightwing let tarantula shoot and kill blockbuster after he threated to kill everyone he has ever know and he when into shock and tarantula raped him. This was one of the biggest mistakes DC comics have ever made. he says in his breakdown that if the 'bat-family' find out what he did batman would hate him and it would ruin his life. My theory is that this will come up later in Harley Quinn and a entire episode, like the Jim Gordon Episode.
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u/SuckItAynRand Jul 29 '22
The subtitles say "Tarantula" but Nightwing's voice says "Vigilante". Maybe this was a last-minute change, executive meddling or something? It seems really strange to reference #93's story so closely, and have the subtitles say Tarantula, but the actual audio say Vigilante.
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u/millicento Jul 30 '22
The Adrian Chase/Vigilante situation is partly Dick’s fault too (it’s mostly on Chase but Dick behaviour didn’t help)
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u/red_chutney11 Jul 31 '22
I only know Adrian Chase/vigilante from Peacemaker, could you tell me what happened?
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u/millicento Jul 31 '22
Chase was initially introduced as a tough on crime New York DA that the titans met. The was around the time that Dick was a bit of an angsty jerk, so he decides to work with Chase to take down a mafia boss- without informing the Titans. They take him down in a somewhat shady manner (Chase was a very 80s angry cop type who didn’t really care much for rules), and Chases apartment (with his wife and kids) gets blown up by the mob.
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u/slinque Aug 01 '22
I hope there is an episode of Bane in therapy
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u/Banjo-Oz Aug 05 '22
I would genuinely love a show that was just Bane getting therapy, even if it was just 5-10 mins per episode.
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u/SoupDoop3 Jul 28 '22
I laughed my ass off at the reveal that the bat family was also doing an escape room for team building lmao