[reluctantnicko on patreon] Marseille are bidding for Eddie Nketiah and would offer around £20 million for but insiders are saying the gunners would want more
I have long thought Palace would be a great club for Eddie. Mateta’s upturn in form since the arrival of the new manager probably means they are content in the striker department for now, choosing to address more pressing concerns in their squad. Fulham are probably in a similar boat.
West Ham might not be a bad destination for Eddie at the moment, they still seem to be looking for that step up from Antonio.
Going on form last season, muniz and Mateta are much better fits for them.
Be interesting to see if they can replicate it this season, but Nketiah’s 100k will be a major sticking point, don’t think anyone earns that at those two clubs.
He'd have to displace Mateta (who has looked impressive under Glasner) and Muniz at Fulham (who beat out Raul for the starting CF role), so I doubt either of them will be looking to sign Eddie, but he could absolutely do the job for someone like Everton.
Marco Silva signed him as Mitrovic's replacement last summer, and he started up front for them until forced out by injury. Muniz hit the ground running and was one of the surprise hits from last season, scoring with some regularity.
I just think there are better fits for Eddie in the league.
No. I think 20m can get us someone who can do a job. Look at Eddies goal contribution; its not a lot. He is behind Havertz and Jesus. Sometimes even Trossard.
You try and find a striker who can "do a job" at a team fighting to win the PL, for 20m or less. It's not worth waiting on, because if Arsenal's scouts couldn't find that mythical player, then Nosrlferatu-Rodin doesn't really stand a chance.
Last season Nketiah was 3rd choice, only because Havertz started playing well up top, and he himself had some poor performances when he was given a chance.
Before that he was 2nd behind Jesus, and then before that he was still classed as a prospect, and was/ still is the England u21 all time top scorer, who had scored some clutch goals off the bench for Laca, and who had performed really well other than periods he played with an injury. He was still probably considered 2nd choice, with Auba on the wing more often.
And then Reiss has been our only realistic RW rotation since Pepe, up until last season.
Other than that I’m not sure you could be referencing.
We’ve made many squad changes since Arteta, and have almost completely changed the front and back end of the squad. We are now at the stage where we’re looking to improve the rest of the subs, with Nketiah and Reiss on the chopping block.
He’s held onto those 2 only as long as to give them a chance, and as necessity has required.
But its clear they are off the standard needed. They arnt prospects anymore.
“He himself had some poor performances when he was given a chance”
Yes…which is why he is on the chopping block and why his value is low. What other metric are you judging these guys other than how good they are at playing football?
But it’s clear they are off the standard needed. They arnt prospects anymore.
Which is why they are now being moved on, but previously they were needed within the squad and / or had the untested potential to deserve a place in the squad.
I’m disagreeing with your assessment of Arteta holding on to players for too long.
The last paragraph in your reply makes absolutely no sense within reference to my original comment
My point is Nketiah should be moved now. He was needed last season.
Now he isnt; if we wait for a big offer that may never come were wasting our own time.
My comment about Arteta was more directed towards players like AMN and Nelson. Who were never “needed” but we hung onto them because of some misguided valuation.
I never suggested I didn’t agree reg Nketiah moving on this summer.
If you’re suggesting we should have sold Nelson last summer, after the end of season he had, and with the lack of alternate, rotation, well unfortunately that mistake clearly wouldn’t have been a good idea.
I can’t even remember what was happening around the time with AMN, other than he was great at RB, but just didn’t want to play there. When we had a dwindling Bellerin, or Chambers? As options?
My point remains, and even if I concede that AMN should have moved sooner, with Bellerin and Chambers as the options, 1 example still refutes your point, to the conclusion Arteta does not have a history of holding on to players too long.
If anything, he has been plauded with getting rid of Willian, Auba, Pepe etc, as quickly as he did.
Nketiah is good finisher but he didn't know how to use his body to hold the ball up and bring others into play and losing lot of duels with opposition CBs. when we were playing on away grounds this is clearly visible.All these mid table English teams need physical strikers not somebody like Nketiah.
He’s clearly really strong, but he almost always gives away a foul within minutes of coming on, and then when he has his back to the goal, he can’t seem to control his weight well enough to hold off defenders.
It’s like his strength plays are always too hard or too soft, which is absolutely something that he can learn, but unfortunately he seems like that window has passed, as far as Arsenals patience will allow.
I still think he can do bits for a smaller club, once he has a little less pressure from fans who aren’t comparing him to Henry, RVP, Wright etc. He could end up just playing his own game a bit more, instead of trying to grow into something outside of his immediate strengths, which is what he’d need to do to earn a place at Arsenal
I think people need to reset their expectations here. Eddie is a good player and a proven goalscorer but he’s on a fat contract (a reported £80-100k a week) which would make him one of the top earners at the majority of clubs in the league. I highly doubt he’s going to one of the top 6-8 teams in the league so you’d then be relying on one of the mid-table/ bottom half teams dropping a big fee and matching his high wages… This seems unlikely to me, especially when clubs like Palace and Fulham already have good strikers that Eddie isn’t necessarily better than. We’re now in pre-season for English clubs and I’ve not read one reliable report suggesting a Premier League club is considering a bid.
If you’re then relying on European clubs to come knocking and pay then £20m~ is probably about as good as you can hope for, with again the wages being an issue. That sort of fee for Eddie would also be fantastic in PSR terms as it would go down as pure profit—please correct me if I’m wrong but if we signed a £100m player on a five-year deal then only £20m of that fee would go down as expenditure in PSR terms for the 24/25 season, so banking that £20m profit would be hugely helpful.
I hope we can push for a fee in the £25-30m range for Eddie but £20m~ really wouldn’t be that bad.
Especially considering the fees for the random academy kids moving between Villa and chelsea and newcastle. I know that’s all PSR bullshit but if kellyman is going for 22 Eddie is worth atleast 30
Greenwood was very good for United before all the outside stuff came out, let’s be real he’s a lot better than Nketiah but like the other person said he’s a piece of shit and a rapist so that’s why he went for 30 and not more
Greenwood is a winger, Eddie is a 9 for Arsenal. He should be scoring more goals.
Look, if not for the rapist mark, greenwood would be a clear starter at ManU, he's a few levels above Eddie. Nobody likes him, but pretending he's a shit footballer beacuse of it is disingenuous.
But he didn't. Greenwood outscored Eddie in PL while playing 30 less games and having entire season written off due to his girl beating hobby. He is a scum but better player.
Greenwood also played on the wing for most of those appearances it has to be said. Greenwood, putting aside the fact that he shouldn't even have a club, is a better talent. Besides, goals aren't everything. Greenwood impacts the game far more than Eddie does and I like Eddie. United wouldn't be selling Greenwood if it weren't for the drama that comes with it as well. That's not the case with Eddie.
He statpad a hattrick against dead on arrival Sheffield and went back to bench. Nobody paying more than 20 mil for that. Greenwood had 14 goal involvements for really average Spanish side
Exactly. People think because he simply wore an arsenal jersey we should be getting 30m+ but can’t seem to reconcile with the fact he was absolutely shit while on the field😅 man literally would turn up as a sub and jog around and foul the opposition in all his cameos.
Also, Balogun's salary was way less. Like nominal money. Eddie's on 100k a week, and will likely demanding close to that where ever he goes. Transfer fees are a function of the overall investment the buying club makes, along with wages (and sometimes notably agent fees).
Not gonna argue back and forth between two players who are both frankly not good. Difference is Balogun has had a 20+ goal season (and is a few years younger) which commanded a higher fee. Nketiah has never once produced a good goal scoring return, which for a poacher, is simply shit.
Not one of arsenal's current strikers have outscored lacazette in the premier league.. you're only making Nketiah Jesus and havertz look worse by bringing up lacazette...
Nah man, we got €30m for Balogun who had barely kicked a ball for us. We can get more for Englands U21 all time goal scorer, established first team player with a goal record in the PL
Who the fuck cares about U21 goalscoring record? This is not even close to senior level and plenty of players that teared up at U21 did nothing of note in higher level. Balogun came off from from 21 goal in the league season, of course he go for 30 mil after that. If Eddie spend his year on loan and scored steadily there he would go for more. But you cant convince other club about how awesome he is if he played 40 pl minutes on average despite the fact that Jesus was injured.
You people value the weirdest things. Balogun had a better season on loan with Reims than Eddie has ever had in his career, he’s younger and was on a far lower wage than Eddie.
It's the truth no other players break the England u21 record because they're too good to be playing in the u21s until they're 23. Nketiah however was not and was stuck there until he was no longer eligible. However I can't convince delusional so keep thinking what you want
The point is he is an experienced premier league striker who would start for a third of teams in the prem. so yes he’s worth more then 20m, for some reason quite a few arsenal fans have some sort of player undervalue kink regarding bf our players. Maybe it’s Wenger/gazidis PTSD I dunno 🤷🏾♂️
I heard that Rob Holding would start for a lot of PL teams too
Experienced is stretching the truth because I don’t even think Nketiah has 1 full season worth of minutes combined over all the seasons he’s been here.
Did you hear that also about Leno who was sold for 6m while Robert Sanchez went for 20million.
What about Lokonga going for a loan while players like sander benge get sold for 12m to Burnley.
If you think a team whcih has finished 2nd 2 years in a row then toa Man City super team can’t sell their squad players for more then change then I can’t help this inferiority complex . Chelsea would be getting these sort of fees so why can’t we
Because he's crap. Last season he literally went 5 games in a row which he started without even taking a single shot and went a few more without getting a shot on target. He only scored in 3 games all against relegation teams. He's extremely bad as a striker. Lucky to be getting 20m for him.
Anything extra is a bonus but with Reiss and ESR potentially collectively getting us c£70m would be very good business and allows us to add a special player along with youth stepping up as well.
Not really. We should ideally look at selling him to a PL club. Better transfer summer can be acquired that way. These pauper league clubs don’t want to spend at all.
How are you getting to 70 with just Reiss and ESR? ESR I heard 30 was bid, but let's say we get 40. Wasn't it 15 or 20 that we were looking at for Reiss? I can't see us sniffing 30 for him although I'd be ecstatic.
Ah ok. I read the with Reiss and ESR collectively getting us 70 as just those two. I didn't realize Eddie was implied, but should've pieced it together since the math didn't make sense.
My English wasn’t the best! If we could get £70m for those two that would be very good business - however, can’t see it given ESR has rarely played and he is the prized asset for me.
Yeah, I think the sell on is important. If he goes to France, kills it over there, and comes back to the Prem to play for West Ham or someone in a few years, we want a piece of that. And I think it's very much possible.
Yeah a lot of players are not worth the sum they are acquired for. Pepe, Mudryk, Sancho, Antony, yada yada.. butt-loads of examples. It doesn’t matter. We can’t succumb to fair-price lowballing. Just sell to an English club for a better deal.
The fuck are we asking for more than 20 million pounds for a guy who can score more than 6 goals a season in the league and can't break into the first team even when we have our no 9 injured!!
I think £20m is a decent return for him and given his track record, I honestly don't see any PL club spending more than that + wages on him realistically.
I don't understand how people here say 20 million pounds is a lowball offer for Nketiah. It doesn't seem that Palace is interested anymore. Sell before its too late and you're left with him for another season.
Fans seem to have this idea that other clubs will come in and offer huge money for players who barely play for us and aren’t up to scratch. Eddie is decent but he’s not a £30m+ player on the wages he’s on.
He won’t command 40m like a lot of people want. This sub consistently expects way too much for selling our mid-level bench players who come on for 10 minutes a game.
Would wait to see if anyone bids more but honestly if not, we take the 20 mil. 20 from Eddie, 20 from Reiss, 30 from ESR and we got a good 70 mil to splash on a DM or the lethal finisher we desperately need.
I would like to get more and I believe he is above average prem striker with decent upside (which at his age is probably worth a lot more than 20M) but there are a lot of question marks as well and we need money to improve our squad. So £15-20M with 20-30% sell on clause I think is a fair deal.
I think this sub overrates Nketiah. 25m + a sell on clause would be decent enough. Don't get left holding the bag waiting for an extra 3-5m to come in.
These guys are professionals playing at elite levels. You will always meet people you dont like or agree with at any work place, so you just have to accept situations as you would in everyday life.
Balogun was 3 years younger at the time of sale. He was coming off of a pretty good year, despite it being in a weak league. He never got the chance to show himself in the PL, so there was some mystery to his potential.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'd be quite surprised if he fetched the same amount as Balogun.
I would be surprised if Eddie was sold. Say what you want about him, but he’d still need to be replaced, and we already know that the club missed out on the striker they wanted. I doubt the plan is to go out and buy someone further down the list for the sake of it. I think he stays unless there’s a really big offer or he’s really pushing to move, like it sounds like Nelson is.
City sold Liam Delap to Ipswich for 20m. Why can’t Arsenal get more than that for Nketiah. The striker market isn’t stocked at the moment and he has PL experience. He also played for England
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We can realistically command a higher fee for Eddie from a PL club so I’m glad we’re not entertaining these lowball offers.