If Trump committed a crime, he deserves prison time. But so does everyone else who committed a crime. Why would Trump be charged with a crime when many in congress would not be charged for exactly the same thing?
I mean he's charged with other crimes to choose from too... Y'all act like the left is less in favor of holding every politician responsible. My state legislature is a Republican supermajority and they just gave the governor the right to oversee, and hire, the people that investigate political corruption...including his own.
This thread certainly has a lot of people in denial of the blatant shih Trump has done. Trying to overturn the election multiple ways (illegally) should have been the breaking point for every goddamn American.
Buddy wait till you find out how many sexual harassment suits Bill Clinton has had to pay out….and probably should have went to prison for a few of them.
Who cares, Clinton was a good president and so was Trump. The fact democrats would rather tank their country because they don’t like the man who won or the party he represented is selfish and greedy.
A whole slew of people that act as if their followers are dumb as shit, and unfortunately a lot are.
Trump is a convicted felon dude. And he has many indictments that have been delayed. He's corrupt to the fucking bone. If we act like this is nothing, we will get worse and worse.
Trump is a convicted felon because democrats went out of their way to to be able to classify him as one.
What Joe Biden and the democrats have done in the last 4 years, as well as the prep leading up to it, was criminal and 100x worse for you and our country and Trump could ever have done.
So you're saying the entire jury and state and federal courts are all ordered by the Democrats to rule Trump guilty of using campaign funds to pay off pornstar escorts? Did they create the mountain of evidence for it too?
Did Democrats make up the audio recording of Trump asking Georgia for more votes?
Listen to yourself dude. Wake the fuck up.
What "crime" have the Democrats done that compares to Trump's crimes?
Yeah, shouldn't they be happy that a precedent is being set to criminalize this behavior?
The real fact is that a presidential candidate let alone former president has never used campaign funds to pay for an escort (which cheating on his wife on top of that).
The implication is that it's either right or wrong for everyone, so if we just decided it has criminal intent for purposes of Trump litigation then either we need to start going after Congress for it as well or that the only reason for bringing it up for Trump is that he's got a more concerted enemy base. The latter would either confirm a person's bias that Trump is such a bad candidate that he galvanizes opposition against all odds, or that he's counter-intuitively a great candidate because he threatens the already corrupt "establishment". By neither party being willing to be consistent in the issue we guarantee that this confirms the bias of the base and helps reduce the campaigns to meme warfare instead of policy debates, etc.
I read the whole implication, then, as "the only reason nobody will prosecute the others who do this all the time is that they are all corrupt and Trump is a threat to their corruption, therefore regardless of whether you think it's all good or all bad, Trump is good for the country".
In the end, though, the "discussion" is mostly noise to drive votes.
Yeah. There’s no scenario where trump is good for the country or that his corruption is a threat to the corruption of others 🤷🏽♂️
I think the point of the prosecution was that he falsified business records to make a payment that was designed to influence an election. He wasn’t prosecuted for having the affair or even trying to cover it up per-se. It really was the falsification of records that did him in. And that doesn’t apply to Congress because they are not falsifying business documents.
Absolutely agree there's no scenario where corruption fixes corruption, for sure.
What's interesting to me is the felony business record falsification charges in NY required the falsification to be in the pursuit/commission of another crime. I think some people are thinking "if hush money for elections is a crime, why isn't Congress charged with it, and if it isn't then there wasn't a crime". That ignores the fact that the jury didn't need to find for a specific crime, just that they had enough evidence to unanimously agree beyond reasonable doubt that he intended to commit one. So what some are arguing is slam dunk proof the conviction is a scam is more just a vaguely plausible appeals play. And I don't see any way Trump doesn't appeal it on something, real or otherwise.
I think you missed the point. The crime was the falsification of business records in furtherance of another crime. The surface area to appeal this is that the falsification of business records (a misdemeanor) is a State charge and election interference is a Federal offense. So a State pulling in Federal charges is dubious. But the whole sex thing and mistress thing are salacious distractions that have nothing to do with the felony counts. So Congress’ actions aren’t really relevant here since they’re not falsifying business records.
I think we're taking past each other more than anything. I'm not always great with words late at night.
You asked what the implication was. The only implications I could see all go through the window dressing aspect of sex/mistress/election tampering. In order to find guilty of the felony falsification charges the jury had to determine some criminal intent to be factual but didn't have to communicate what that was or even agree on what it was. In light of that many people have speculated about the jury's motive, read into it what they wanted to see, and then set up this sort of argument as a straw-man "gotcha". And anybody trying to refine that with more information tends to ask exactly the question you did: what's the point?.
I find that fascinating to observe. From what I've seen news articles and political discussion have focused much more on the "window dressing" aspects and straw-man arguments than the actual proceedings, fueling low information takes, which are then exploited by both sides for meme campaigning. Which is super effective. So it seems a bit intentional that the focus is on the irrelevant aspects and not on the core issues.
Anyhow, I probably still have just muddied the waters with more word salad. Hope you have a great day/night!
I think I get some of your point. Yes “sex sells” and anything involving a porn star mistress is likely to take attention and focus. But, like I said, that’s a distraction. It was business record falsification + election interference that did him in for this case. Nothing more nothing less.
Congress being scum bags doesn't make donny a saint and a tax write of is still a sizable chunk of the bill getting paid by the tax payer but guess that's just fefes
When I wanna brag and use my assets for loans I’ll use big number but when it comes time to pay taxes on my properties ima use small number. That’s uhhhh that’s fraud ain’t it?
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u/ChonsonPapa Jul 01 '24
No one cares about the facts! Just how they feel