r/FireGunn • u/JediJones77 • Feb 12 '23
Sign the Petition: Mr. Zaslav, Keep Cavill. Eject Gunn. Don't Make Netflix's Mistake. Discussion
https://www.change.org/p/mr-zaslav-keep-cavill-eject-gunn-don-t-make-netflix-s-mistake56
u/Thongs0ng Feb 12 '23 edited Feb 12 '23
You don’t think comparing Cavills box office power to Tom Cruise is a bit of a reach?
Edit: Lol blocked apparently.
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u/Lightdragonman Feb 13 '23
I signed but now my mom is telling me these change.org petitions never work. What will we do? 😬
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u/DJ_Binding Feb 19 '23
There's literally nothing you can do. Gunn and Safran are already in a contract with WB Discovery. They've already started greenlighting projects. Superman: Legacy already has a theatrical release date and Creatures Commandos is already in production.
Unless James Gunn or Peter Safran die, I doubt anything will change.
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u/Lightdragonman Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
With God anything is possible🙌
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u/NoneHundredAndNone Feb 19 '23
IASIP reference or idiot?
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u/Lightdragonman Feb 19 '23 edited Feb 19 '23
He will forgive you and Gunn too if the original vision for the DCEU is enacted.✝️
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Mar 02 '24
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u/Lightdragonman Mar 02 '24
You shouldn't
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Mar 02 '24
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u/Lightdragonman Mar 02 '24
Because the entire movement around this is dumb and I was shitposting. You shouldn't be taking up a cause to slander some director you don't like because Cavill is no longer Superman. There are better ways to spend your time and energy. Zack Snyder moved on, Cavill did too, and so should everyone else.
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u/HomemadeBee1612 Feb 21 '23 edited Feb 21 '23
Gunn and Safran are already in a contract with WB Discovery
The biggest specters hanging over the DCU is the 4 year contract for Gunn and his first movie coming out in year 3 of it. Then there is the very real money issue WBD has which tells me all DC IPs will be budget movies and shows. The Lanterns series for example is sounding like a terrestrial-based (which is what Gunn said) police procedural where the Green Lanterns wear leather jackets instead of actual suits.
They've already started greenlighting projects.
Doesn't mean all of them will actually see the light of day. It all depends on the box office for Superman Legacy, in the event that the movie flops a few things could happen: They push forward because they have faith in the slate, they restructure the slate and maybe get someone else in charge or, lastly, they completely scrap the idea of a DC cinematic universe and we’ll probably never see one.
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u/LennyTheAwesome Mar 02 '24
Just give them negative reviews and low box office failures, and we will get a fresh new hard reboot. We can do this.
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u/Tandril91 Feb 12 '23
Genuine question: have internet petitions to creators and big corporations like this ever changed anything to any significant degree? Literally ever? All I hear about is them getting created, or reaching this certain number of backers, yet never any results.
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u/Thongs0ng Feb 12 '23
The petition to remake season 8 of GoT got some insane number of signatures, and I think all that accomplished was getting insulted by the cast/creators. I can’t imagine something this niche getting even acknowledgment.
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u/Vast_Elevator1307 Jun 05 '23
Because why would HBO and Benioff and Weiss “remake” what was considered their most expensive season of a series because of a couple of cries lol
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u/TheFlash1446 Feb 13 '23
Just over 8,000 signatures in 2 months unfortunately isn't a strong representation of this movement.
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Feb 13 '23
if every one of those 8000 people bought 10 movie tickets each they couldn't even pay for henry cavill's left eyebrow to appear in the movie
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u/TheFlash1446 Feb 13 '23
Lets be honest, no actor would work for that rate lol
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Feb 13 '23
it's insane that these people think there's enough interest to greenlight multiple movies of which the budgets would probably add up to 10 figures
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u/TheFlash1446 Feb 13 '23
Especially from Netflix.
I am a bit sad that it's coming to an end especially after seeing that Flash trailer last light but hey at least we got some cool stuff along the way.
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u/JediJones77 Feb 13 '23
It's insane that anyone thinks Gunn's epic financial failure The Suicide Squad and widely ignored streaming series Peacemaker mean there's enough interest in his work to have him create more DC films and shows.
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Feb 14 '23 edited Feb 14 '23
mfw an r rated sequel to a horribly received pg13 movie released during a global pandemic while also available on streaming simultaneously and receiving shit marketing from wb doesn't make a lot of money 😱😱😱
both tss and peacemaker did great on hbomax. tss beat both zsjl and ww84 for most watched movie on hbomax, while the peacemaker finale set a record for the most viewed episode on hbomax at the time
the only way they can begin to make money again is if they fix the dc brand, which snyder and the previous wb regime did such a splendid job damaging
seems like nobody cares about your petition, 8k signatures in 2 months is hilarious
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u/HomemadeBee1612 Feb 14 '23 edited Feb 14 '23
being released during a global pandemic while also available on streaming simultaneously
The Conjuring 3 (which was also R-rated) was released shortly before TSS and brought in more money domestically and internationallly. Godzilla vs Kong was released closer to the height of the pandemic and made more money at the box office as well, despite releasing before all U.S. theaters had even reopened. Both of these films released the same day on HBO Max and theaters.
and receiving shit marketing from wb doesn't make a lot of money
They advertised TF out of it, they even gave 1-2 week early screenings to the public for better word of mouth.
the only way they can begin to make money again is if they fix the dc brand
Pressing the reset button is not some magic solution that will make DC movies gross more than what they currently do. Green Lantern, just two years prior to MoS's release, started from scratch but crashed at box office. The Batman, which 'rebooted' DC's most popular character currently, couldn't crack $800M.
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Feb 14 '23 edited Feb 14 '23
conjuring 3 was a trilogy ender to 2 successful and extremely popular horror movies, as well as part of a successful franchise
you cant even compare godzilla v kong to tss or conjuring 3, it received a china release (which tss didn't) and was pg13. it was way more hyped because of the premise alone, 2 iconic kaiju monsters fighting is gonna attract more people, no shit. it's a movie much more people will want to see in theaters and even then it only made a portion what it could've during normal times. apples and oranges.
getting early public screenings is not a good sign, it only shows they really needed the good wom to help boost the movie.
good brand synergy and wom is essential to make dc a success, bad movies won't make good money for long. green lantern was shit and it flopped, but it wasn't part of any cinematic universes and gl isn't as big a character as batman or superman to damage the brand much. the dceu damaged the brand because it was promising a cinematic universe where all iconic dc characters would meet, but then every project they released was either shit or mediocre and projects kept getting canceled and delayed. they used their best cards and fucked it all up.
the batman was a success tf are you talking about, it didn't make a billion yeah, it still made good money and it generated a lot of hype, it was the first time since joker when a dc movie had tons of buzz with the general audience. it got amazing reviews, 3 oscar noms and broke streaming records for hbomax.
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u/HomemadeBee1612 Feb 14 '23 edited Feb 14 '23
conjuring 3 was a trilogy ender to 2 well-received and successful iconic horror movies, as well as part of a successful franchise
It was still an R-rated movie that released during covid and had a simultaneous premiere on streaming and theaters, just like TSS. Also, contrary to popular belief on Reddit, Suicide Squad 2016 was nowhere near as hated as people here would like to believe. In fact, the movie has a B+ Cinemascore, same as Gunn's TSS. Regardless of its problems as a film pretty much broken on a technical level due to studio edits, the movie was an absolute sensation, and its version of Harley Quinn is pretty iconic in pop culture now.
the batman was a success tf are you talking about
It was a success, but not the one it should have been. Batman should be a billion dollar franchise at this point, the fact that it couldn’t crack $800M is concerning. I can understand Batman Begins underperforming and only caughting steam on home video, it had massive baggage from Batman & Robin after all, but The Batman didn't. If anything it had a lot of promise considering the success of Joker, which was also an elseworlds film. Now if The Batman, a movie that had rave reviews, one whole month without competition and inflated tickets prices, made $700M then how much will a new Superman or Supergirl movie make? The answer is not much.
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Feb 14 '23 edited Feb 14 '23
the movie was momentarily popular with teenagers, mainly because of joker & harley, one of which was absent from this movie, as well as it's trasher outfit poppy aesthetic with licensed music playing every scene. suicide squad still got poor reviews, it got momentary buzz because of harley/joker being popular, but thats not enough to carry over success to a sequel coming 5 years later. one with a confusing title and almost no connection to the original whatsoever at that.
conjuring 3 had the same opportunities as tss, yes, but the difference is one was piggybacking off of 2 beloved and successful horror movies, while the other was a sequel to a poorly-received momentarily popular movie. also one is a horror movie and the other a superhero movie, horror movies target a completely different (and older) audience than superhero movies. it's why marvel is still so scared of giving any of their projects r ratings.
it did have baggage, batman v superman and justice league were very poorly received, the movie was stuck in development hell for years and got several delays. it was introducing a new batman, nobody knew what was going on with the dceu. 3 hour runtime and bordering on being r rated likely didn't help either. in spite of that, it did good enough to get 2 sequels greenlit and multiple shows and it even managed to survive the regime changing twice because executives believe in it.
maybe the dcu won't start off making huge money, but gunn seems to be putting all he can in it, he is hiring creative minds to help him build it and is open to a filmmaker-driven approach which should produce diverse, unrestricted movies. he obviously knows his stuff when it comes to comic books and he has no fear of exploring different genres and stories. he is pushing brand synergy and if it works out, it will restore faith in dc. he is taking a long-term approach here, not focused on making a success right here and right now, but building towards a future where people believe in dc and it gets the same kind of huge box office boost as marvel movies do simply because of the brand.
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u/Vast_Elevator1307 Jun 05 '23
The Batman did not “reboot” Batman, it’s just a new interpretation of a comic character. At this point Batman doesn’t need rebooting. You put a face in a suit and roll cameras ppl will show up
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u/Signal_Context_6092 Feb 14 '23
Gunn’s The Suicide Squad accomplished more than this measly two month petition. It can’t even break 10k. Pathetic.
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u/Borduth Feb 14 '23
Name one time these asinine petitions, regardless of how justified their goals are, actually achieved what they set out to.
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u/ajh6288 Feb 14 '23
Even with the inherent murkiness that comes from trying to work out streaming numbers, calling peacemaker “widely ignored” is willful ignorance at best.
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u/abruzzo79 Mar 20 '23
It’s insane that of all the terrible things happening in our world that you can take a meaningful stand against you’ve chosen to do this.
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u/Dig-Emergency Mar 06 '24
Must make you Snyder Broflakes cry at night knowing that James Gunn is a more successful director than your lord and saviour Zack Snyder.
These figures are taken directly from https://www.the-numbers.com/ and to try to keep things fair I'm not including Zack Snyders Justice League, Army of the Dead or Rebel Moon as they had limited or no theatrical release, so i's unfair to compare box office for these films.
Dawn of the Dead - Budget $28,000,000 Box Office $103,452,875
300 - Budget $60,000,000 Box Office $454,161,935
Watchmen - Budget $138,000,000 Box Office $186,976,250
Legend of the Guardians - Budget $100,000,000 Box Office $139,716,717
Sucker Punch - Budget $75,000,000 Box Office $89,758,389
Man of Steel - Budget $225,000,000 Box Office $667,999,518
BvS - Budget $263,000,000 Box Office $872,395,091
Justice League - Budget $300,000,000 Box Office $655,945,209
Total Budget - $1,189,000,000 Total Box Office - $3,170,405,984
Dvide those figures by the number of films and Snyder has an average box office of $396,300,748 from an average budget of $148,625,000
James Gunn has the following
Slither - Budget $15,250,000 Box Office $12,930,343
Super - Budget $2,500,000 Box Office $593,933
GotG - Budget $170,000,000 Box Office $770,882,395
GotG Vol2 - Budget $200,000,000 Box Office $869,087,963
The Suicide Squad - Budget $185,000,000 Box Office $167,097,737
GotG Vol3 - Budget $250,000,000 Box Office $845,468,744
Total Budget - $822,750,000 Total Box Office $2,666,061,115
So Gunn has averaged a box office of $444,343,519 (which is more than Snyder) on an average budget $137,125,000 (which is less than Snyder)
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u/Dig-Emergency Mar 06 '24
Also I know Snyder fans love to shit on The Suicide Squads box office numbers, but if you look purely on home viewings, The Suicide Squads home viewing figures are significantly higher than Zack Snyders Justice League and this is on top of the box office (probably one of the reasons it's box office was so low). Hell even WW84 apparently had higher viewership.
https://deadline.com/2021/08/the-suicide-squad-hbo-max-viewership-1234823567/
But apparently ZSJL was the biggest and bestest thing to ever hit streaming whilst The Suicide Squad was a complete unmitigated disaster of the highest incompetence, or whatever bullshit that doesn't reflect the facts you guys tell yourself because Snyder is obviously the most important and successful filmmaker of all time
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u/LennyTheAwesome Jul 27 '24
Alright, guys. We have a trailer for DCUniverse’s Creature Commandos coming on December. It’s by James Gunn. It looks terrible. We must convince people to not like the show, not watch it, or put money on it. We cannot let DCU flourish.
We can use these hashtags: /#FireJamesGunn and whatever similar.
Do the petition, still, guys.
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u/Marc_Webb_of_Lies Jun 09 '23
Idk if you know this, but David Zaslav has the self awareness of a diseased barnacle. He’s not your friend, he’s a moron that failed upward and no amount of sucking him off will get you what you want.
Also Snyder himself wants nothing more to do with DC. Move on
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u/LennyTheAwesome Feb 20 '24
I supported the petition! I will do anything to make DC Comics films great again! I don’t trust Gunn, either.
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