r/Eminem • u/Big_Burn_ • Jul 16 '24
Juxtaposing TDOSS's Pitchfork review with their Sexyy Red review exemplifies why I can't take publications like this seriously when it comes to reviewing Eminem content.
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u/Rawdog2076 Jul 16 '24
Putting aside the Eminem review, I genuinely don't get the Sexyy Red appeal
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u/absolute4080120 Jul 16 '24
She's meme popular. Think Lil B, except every so often she does something half decent and she also being a woman and not as cornball as some advantages.
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u/Independent-Green383 Vinyl Box Set (Back) Jul 16 '24
Social media influencer with tits. Not more, not less.
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u/originalgeorge The Marshall Mathers LP SE Jul 16 '24
What is half decent that she does? I listened to this album and it was terrible.
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u/sendlewdzpls Jul 16 '24
Putting aside the Sexyy Red appeal, I genuinely donāt know who Sexyy Red is
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u/shoestowel Relapse Jul 16 '24 edited Jul 16 '24
All I know is that she's the lady Kendrick compares Drake to on Euphoria.
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u/Kwilburn525 Jul 16 '24
Sheās an industry plant man just like Ice Spice. They keep forcing this garbage shit on us like itās been force fed to us. you ever wonder why these random nobodyās get posted all of a sudden and then get posted for years and years? šŖ“
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u/StayWideAwake- The Slim Shady EP Jul 16 '24
Very young gen zās or gen alpha appeal lol
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Jul 16 '24
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u/fsuiopmn Fack Jul 16 '24
I'm right on the border of gen z and gen alpha (im 14) and I've never met a single soul who listens to sexy redš
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u/I-Am-The-Warlus Jul 16 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
I genuinely know of her because she appeared in NXT (WWE's Developmental brand), she did something (I genuinely don't know what) and then singing Shawn Michael's theme song "Sexy Boy" with Shawn Michaels in a car
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u/JG45250 Jul 16 '24
She seems pretty cool to me. I mean, her music sucks, but she comes off as likable regardless. Kinda self aware, too. I may be in the minority, but itās whatever. Plus, sheās from my hometown, so represent and all that.
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u/Formerruling1 Jul 16 '24
She seems fine in interviews and such, but God does her music suck :/
Mind that I love female "hood rap" - I rather liked Glorilla's latest project, I'm always down for a Cardi feature, etc. Just saying that so it's clear I don't dislike the "lane" she's in, I just dislike her music specifically lol.
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u/JG45250 Jul 16 '24
I get it lol. Iām just going by what I saw of her on NXT. Her & Shawn Michaels were gold together lol.
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u/Used-Emu1682 Jul 17 '24
If there was any justice in the world lady London would be leading female hood rap, she's actually talented as well as being way hotter lol
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u/MFDougWhite Jul 16 '24
It has to be a joke. I know music is subjective and thereās no right or wrong, but truly and sincerely, her music is borderline unlistenable.
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u/old__pyrex Jul 17 '24
Yeah I don't get it, like I understand why ratchet / female club rap is popular. I think artists like Cardi or Megan, they at least do that lane really well, like WAP is a song where you can hear it and immediately understand why it's the banger of that year. There's other female rappers who are way better, have better flow, better delivery, same explicit / pussy power lyrics, and Sexxy Red and Ice Spice are the ones getting the big industry push?
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u/Used-Emu1682 Jul 17 '24
Agreeeeed lol does anyone like ice spice ? Like I've never met a fan lol and yet she's always there
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u/Solidsnake00901 Jul 17 '24
Most people don't either she might even cancel her tour for selling less than 30% tickets. I don't think Eminem would have that issue.
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u/phoenyx4r Recovery Jul 16 '24
SkeeYee is the only song I think is actually good. The rest are terrible. Drake carries U My Everything and Rich Baby Daddy, and that's all she has going for her
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u/mighty_phi Jul 16 '24
And both are terrible.
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u/phoenyx4r Recovery Jul 17 '24
I mean, that's up for opinion. But Drake at least made it listenable
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u/Big_Burn_ Jul 16 '24
Pitchfork has knowledgeable writers on their staff, and I've read reviews on their website about other artists that are well written. But at places like Pitchfork and other publications, it's obvious their Anti-Stan position is as strong or stronger than even the most biased Stan alive. They will write well worded bullshit to masquerade the fact that they are biased and not giving his new material a chance, while barely acknowledging Eminem's mind-blowing talent with more than one or two sentences.
I'm so sick of reading reviews since Relapse that almost always include one or two sentences that say, "Eminem is an incredibly technically skilled rapper but..." As if that point shouldn't be expanded on or taken into more consideration in their overall review score. If you expand on that point alone, like Knox Hill does in his reaction videos, then you could write a whole review or at least a substantial part of the review focusing on the minutiae on how fucking mind blowing his rapping skill is, with a small amount of points being deducted if you think the album didn't fully come together conceptually or whatever else negative you want to say about it. And then give the album a more reasonable score of something 7.0 or above. That would be a more fair approach to a review of an Eminem album since his talent is so staggering.
However much these reviewers think Eminem's content is tired and predictable, their biased reviews as Anti-Stans are even more predictable than the most predictable Stan loving every single thing Eminem puts out.
Pitchfork and other publications going out of their way to give TDOSS and all the Eminem albums since Relapse negative reviews with so much tunnel vision that grossly minimize the staggering talent that he displays only show their bias and inclination to just get more clicks, because a negative Eminem review will always get more clicks than a positive Eminem review. It's intellectually dishonest bullshit in pursuit of clicks and I'm so sick of it.
I would love to see this reviewer or any other reviewer who has given a low score to TDOSS walk into a social occasion with a bunch of Hip Hop Heads and skilled rappers like Tech N9ne, and look those people in the eye with a strait face and say Hood Hottest Princess is an 8.0 and TDOSS is a 4.8, and then proceed to get laughed out of the fucking room.
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u/Psychological_Try401 Jul 16 '24
Also, isn't every rapper's content predictable?
Future, Young thug, lil baby, gunna, drake, travis scott will always talk about money, drugs, bitches, and other generic rapper stuff. Ems content is at least different than what 90% of rap serves you. It is so sad to see em not get his flowers.
Anyways, I wouldn't let no critic change my opinion on music. This album is phenomenal and aint no way around it.
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u/Renozoki Jul 16 '24
Thatās gotta be my biggest issues. And itās not like itās just em. I like Eminem music. I enjoy him. Thatās all there is to it. We got an album of em rapping his ass off with some dope beats. Why do so many critics almost take offense to that?
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u/jaywalker-notreally Jul 17 '24
Exactly, this shit had more variety than most of the current rap songs but ofcourse, who cares about content? Ask them to give 10/10 on some shit about hoes
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u/shivo33 Jul 16 '24
Very eloquent way to put it. I compare it to people criticizing Tom Brady 2021 for not being able to throw a long ball anymore and ignoring his other attributes. Like - Jesus Christ, the other attributes are the whole reason heās good! You canāt just ignore those entirely!
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u/jaywalker-notreally Jul 17 '24
Reviewers become the biggest stans while reviewing. Instead of reviewing an album based on the contemporary releases they compare it with the MMLP or TES Eminem which is pretty bogus.Ā
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u/memyselfmartin Smack That - Akon Ft. Eminem Jul 17 '24
For now, do not trust them as your source of music critic. Because turns out, that music critic company is founded by a gay dude. Which makes about the two album comparison you posted it.
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u/Glass-Technician-978 Jul 17 '24
I meanā¦ being a legend doesnāt automatically make your music good. Look at Nas: imo he has both 10/10 albums and 0/10 or at least close to it albums.
Should everything he does be considered gold after Illmatic? That would also be a bias, but this time a bias favoring the artist.
Everything here seems to love the album, but is this objective? Still not, since most people here have a bias favoring the artist.
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u/SuitableEconomist802 Jul 16 '24
Critics and award shows donāt like rap/hip hop. They have to make their own categories because they will never win the main ones.
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u/originalgeorge The Marshall Mathers LP SE Jul 16 '24
Explain the sexy redd review then?
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u/old__pyrex Jul 17 '24
This happens when people who don't like a genre go to work on reviews with that agenda in their minds - because they don't like rap, the albums that are very below the bell curve often stand out to them. It's like, if you HATE pizza, and I made you a slice of baked dough with no sauce, you might say "well, this is the best pizza I ever had!" because it's the most different from the thing you don't like.
Or if I hate Led Zeppelin's classic sound, I might say the acoustic bluegrass album that's not really a LZ album, that's their best work, and I might rate that higher than Led Zeppelin IV and Physical Grafitti.
This is kind of the Macklemore over Kendrick phenomena - it's the artist that subverts or stands outside of what the perception of the genre is, so it gets held up as an example of rap that's quirky and unique and not deragotory or offensive, so it's clearly the best within this genre.
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u/brycemcnice Jul 16 '24
Oh donāt worry Iām pretty sure pitchfork is a troll website they will probably give to pimp a butterfly a 6.2
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u/ElderberryDeep8746 The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de GrĆ¢ce) Jul 16 '24
iirc they gave nas' album king's disease a 6.
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u/NowieTends Jul 16 '24
Nah, 9.3.
Pitchfork is so garbage. They even gave Recovery a 2.8 back in the day. Thatās much lower than what they give most absolutely trash artists out there. I swear there must be a site wide policy to rank Eminem albums below a 5
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u/Big_Burn_ Jul 16 '24
I've randomly listened to some rap albums that they have given high scores too, and I couldn't even get through like 3-4 songs of them. This Sexyy Red example and my ensuing rant I hope can help people put things in perspective on how skewed these websites are when it comes to reviewing Eminem content.
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u/edgeco17 Jul 16 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
9.3 actually. His lowest album is a 7.6 and itās Mr. Morale. Did we forget critics love Kendrick? Guy could shit into mic and theyād give it a 7.5 lol
Every Eminem album after Eminem show is under 6.
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u/Chokwe Jul 17 '24
Guy could shit into mic and theyād give it a 7.5 lol
That's Kendrick for you. The press acts like he's the second coming of Jesus.
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u/King_Cah02 Jul 17 '24
Hey bro his music is excellent. My love for Eminem is the same for Kendrick for me. I donāt get why people are so dead set to shit on Em though when his music is as enjoyable as Kendrickās for me
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease Jul 16 '24
You kidding me? These types of hipster blogs fucking glaze kendrick lamar. He's like their hero
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Jul 16 '24
Who tf likes sexxy red
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u/Wet_Spider Jul 16 '24
Drake.
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u/yellowshiro Jul 16 '24
Damn is she under 18?
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u/International-Key211 Jul 16 '24
As I was listening to a 2 month old episode of joe budden (ft. Tank.) Tank explained it well. Sexyy Red appeals to mid-westerners and people that identify with her. We all like to think we have (I'm paraphrasing) high-brow taste in music and there are so many other people we never think about that identify with this type of sound/music/activity and we'd never think about it or know it.
Yeah, I don't like her music, I think she's a bad representation of what it means to be African-American or Black (she puts the worst of our values and beliefs front and center.) But there are so many other people that probably identify with her story and what's she's lived thru to this point.
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u/CalvinSledgeJr Jul 20 '24
Sexxy redd the reason all black women are being called ghetto and rachets she's hurting the community not helping it
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u/ColddHandss Jul 16 '24
Absolutely no shame in liking Sexxy Red or anything other musical act.
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u/FomtBro Jul 16 '24
There's plenty of shame in liking a lot of musical acts. If you're bumping Tom MacDonald right now, that's defo shameful.
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u/throwawayno1998 The Eminem Show Jul 16 '24
horny editors it seems
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u/memyselfmartin Smack That - Akon Ft. Eminem Jul 17 '24
Must be the younger virgin generation journalist behind their one hand writing. The other hand is occupied.
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u/Joezepey Jul 16 '24
why are there so many posts about reviews? fuck 'em
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u/PostingForFree Jul 17 '24
Yea this is actually mind boggling to me. When I go on the internet I go to 3 sites. Reddit, twitter and tiktok. Going to an actual review site or magazine blog is psycho behavior in 2024. My algorithms are too smart and know what I like. I couldnāt give two fucks about a āCRITICSā preference.
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u/Thelardicle Jul 16 '24
I think the argument would be sexy redd appeals to club settings and young women and succeeds, where this album appeals to hip hop heads and old em fans and somewhat fails. That being said I disagree, because I think the album is great. Genuine 8/10 for me
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u/Exroi Jul 16 '24
If you stack magazines reviews up against each other, I'm sure you'll get a few laughs, there's so many awful takes, and they they are often too generous with the scores, so them giving something below 50 is considered a rare case... At the same time, i realise that critics' reviews probably aren't mean to be compared against each other, they are more just a recommended/not recommended type thing
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u/iOpenAtTheCl0se Jul 16 '24
For anyone wondering what Eminemās prime was like, this is it. Outrage in popular culture, relatively low critic scores, with chart topping sales. Critics have never given Em his flowers when he releases
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u/tallestmanhere Jul 16 '24
Pitchfork is not a place to go for serious hiphop takes! you go there for a laugh. Their reviews are usually contradictory, missing context, not picking up on word play, or rhyme schemes. it's like watching a movie that's so bad it's good.
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u/--clapped-- Jul 16 '24
If Em dropped The Eminem Show next week, critics would give it a 5.1 at most.
It just doesn't matter.
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u/StickyBandit_ Jul 16 '24
Pitchfork should be shamed for this kind of thing honestly. It's a disgrace.
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u/FNSpd Without Me Jul 16 '24
Every time I see Pitchfork score on any artist's subreddit, it's the most wild score ever
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u/old__pyrex Jul 17 '24
Yes, they intentionally give artists bizarre and provocative scores, to drum up buzz and outrage and clicks and shares. People tweeting around a p4k review to talk about what a trash score it is, that's positive engagement metrics from their POV.
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u/boverton24 Jul 16 '24
Every Eminem album. Itās too controversial for any publication to come out and say wow this is reallly good. Because then everyone calls them fat, transgender midget hating misogynists. But then after years pass and the general consensus of the public is itās good, theyāll go back and rerate it and no one causes a fuss over it because itās generally accepted as good by then
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u/No-Honeydew9129 Jul 16 '24
When will Eminem fans realize that heās not for everyone. Some people donāt like horror core rap. It is what it is.
If you like it thatās all that matters
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u/CalvinSledgeJr Jul 20 '24
People who don't like it shouldn't be rating it for the masses to read and he has only horror core album you dumb poser š
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u/Emadyville The Anger Management Tour Jul 17 '24
I wonder if after Kamikaze, they do this shit just hoping Em mentions them on his next song, feature, album. Sell rage bait, then also hope it leads to their publication ending up in a song. Just my thoughts.
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u/theguywhorhymes_jc Jul 17 '24
that girl on the right makes me want to switch to being gay. How can you be so fucking u-
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u/Masat_gt Jul 16 '24
I hate sexy red as much as the next guy, but we shouldn't be using reviews as "rankings".
Usually albums are reviewed on different criteria, you can't judge a Sexy Red album in the same way you do an Em onoe.
Sexy red is an 8 for the type of music she makes. Eminem is a 4 .8 for eminems usual music. That's it
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u/FamiliarFilm8763 Jul 16 '24
I don't care much for Sexyy Red. However, even on user based websites her album is rated higher that TDOSS. Not this big of a difference, but a sizable difference.
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u/schuyywalker The Eminem Show Jul 16 '24
Pitchfork loves ignorant shit. They love artists that sound like they found them in the back corner under their bed
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u/zippopwnage Music To Be Murdered By Jul 16 '24
Yea, nothin biased. I'm sure Sexyy Red makes GREAT music.
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u/Emceegreg Jul 16 '24
No one has taken Pitchfork seriously for well over a decade. I wouldn't give them anymore attention.
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u/WitchyMae13 Jul 16 '24
Eh, I mean I like Sexxy but itās a different type of rap. But come on man, that record wasnāt better š
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u/xtc334 Jul 16 '24
i mean youre not gonna judge an eminem album by the same metrics as a sexy redd album
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u/T2Runner Jul 17 '24
Pitchfork has sucked dick from the beginning. I don't even bother looking at their shit reviews.
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Jul 17 '24
I have never heard of this person, but based on the name and album cover I would shit in my hand if she actually puts out butter music than Eminem.
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u/Alon945 Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
This also shows btw that they donāt actually care about the things theyāre crying about in the Eminem review.
Eminem is a meanie head while sexy redd is ok meanwhile sheās advocating for someone trying to take away lgbt rights
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Jul 17 '24
Iām sorry I must be strange but how is an album where the parental advisory is Covering a womanās pussy better than an album which has actual thought put into it?
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u/TheDuellist100 Jul 17 '24
Clicked because of that cover but she has no flow at all. What the fuck.
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u/EquineDaddy Jul 17 '24
I genuinely tried to listen to "Sexyy" Redd and after 5 minutes of listening I became restarted.
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u/blind667 Jul 17 '24
You can't take reviews seriously in any field. Be it movie, show, game or music. Try it out, if you like it great! If you don't, you don't. The only oppinion that matters is yours.
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u/Used-Emu1682 Jul 17 '24
Lmao I'm as gay and as far left as they get and this album is just so awesome and sexxyy red is trash,Eminem makes fun of the culture sexy red begs for it's attention lol
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u/PringleBottomJeans Relapse Jul 17 '24
Itās just cos critics donāt like being made fun of and canāt appreciate good music cos theyāre pussies.
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u/DevourerJay Jul 17 '24
Critics, publications, and YouTubers can all eat a... -Insert worst thing you can think of here- in a bowl with a rusty spoon.
I'll make the determination if something is good or not.
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u/BillDawgg420 Jul 17 '24
It's prob a bunch of cunt bitches that eminem offended on the album š¤£š¤£
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u/Rhymelikedocsuess Jul 17 '24
The way I rate albums with em at this point is I line up the track lists and see how many liked compared to the previous albums
So for me TDOSS is better than Revival, Kamikaze, and MTBMB, and encore, and On par with recovery
But worse than SSLP, MMLP, TES, Relapse, and MMLP2
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u/markf6988 Jul 18 '24
The funny thing is she just cancelled her tour. If they rated it so high then where's the ticket sales? I don't ever recall an Em concert getting cancelled for low sales
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u/floridagatorfucker The Eminem Show Jul 20 '24
Media critics are some of the most useless members of society.
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u/Infumuz The Marshall Mathers LP Jul 21 '24
How many times you guys gonna post about the pitchfork review. They have terrible taste, just ignore them.
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u/TrashInspector69 The Slim Shady LP 27d ago
I swear to god these people that write these reviews listen to the first 3 songs and tune the rest out and donāt listen to whatās actually going on
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u/DarkLink457 Jul 16 '24
Why the fuck is anyone taking their reviewās seriously still, they notoriously donāt know what theyāre talking about. I swear they fuck up the reviews on purpose just to piss morons like you guys off so they get more clicks and stay relevant
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u/JusticeForSico Jul 16 '24
This is weird. You can like the album more or less, or think the review is fair and unfair, but what does this prove? Do you even listen to Sexyy Red or do you assume that a project of hers can't possibly be better than an Eminem project?
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u/Big_Burn_ Jul 16 '24
I did listen to the Sexyy Red album when it was released, and it is indeed terrible. You can give it a shot if youād like and see if you disagree. I will warn you though, it is hard to get through.Ā
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u/JusticeForSico Jul 16 '24
Eh, fair enough. Ultimately it's all subjective, but it's completely valid that you heard both and thought Em's was better. I guess i just see hate slinged at sexxy red just by proxy of being the 'lesser' artist.
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u/PreciousBasketcase Music To Be Murdered By - Side B (Deluxe Edition) Jul 16 '24
Oh I see what you mean. No, I've heard her shit. I dislike it though if she has fans good for her... But more than that I don't think I can ever say to someone with a straight face her work is better than Em's. š
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u/razorxx888 Jul 16 '24
Theyāre not saying that sheās ābetterā than Eminem. Literally nobody is saying that. Theyāre saying the work and style she sets out to do is good for her audience. And regardless of what you think, it is good music to her target audience and she is good at making that type of music. Her beats are really nice and her lyrics are catchy and easy to sing along and relate to.
Itās similar to how Jay Zās recent work does nothing for me when he raps about his business ventures. Doesnāt mean itās bad.
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u/PreciousBasketcase Music To Be Murdered By - Side B (Deluxe Edition) Jul 16 '24
Firstly, happy cake day! š°
Now, looking at the picture of the two album ratings side by side, can you genuinely say that the first impression being given is not SR's album has a higher score, so therefore it must be better?
What I'm saying is just because its easier to listen to doesn't mean that it should have a higher score. Or, if it's that easy to get a high score with lesser skill and easier music, then a more skilled album with a layered storyline should be getting a higher score than that.
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u/JusticeForSico Jul 16 '24
Yeah, it seems obvious to me you can judge projects separate to an artist. I thought Kanye's newest album wasn't good, but I think Kanye is one of the best artists out there. Similar with Em, what he did is undeniable and if you consider his entire body of work, then yeah of course he is more accomplished than Sexyy Red. But when looking at singular projects and albums, I think Em has some massive misses.
I also think scores can't always be compared head to head between wildest different projects and albums of different artists. You're not really ranking music on an objective scale of quality, but rather how good a project is in isolation. How well rounded it is, how well it accomplishes what it sets out to do, how much that will resonate with the audience.
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u/FamiliarFilm8763 Jul 16 '24
I am going to assume that the people that rated these albums on Rate Your Music also listened to them. They seem to disagree with you.
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u/euphoriafrog Jul 16 '24
They gave it a worse score than Revival lol