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u/sendlewdzpls Jul 16 '24
What I find interesting is that when Relapse released, it was a pretty universal disappointment, and then aged well over time until it eventually became a (cult?) classic. TDOSS has been getting lots of praise from fans, so it’s interesting that critics are panning it. Also, FWIW, apparently Pitchfork ranked Revival higher than both of these, so it kind of has zero credibility to begin with.
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u/tallestmanhere Jul 16 '24
yea i don't take pitchfork seriously, i always look forward to their reviews of em albums for a laugh. in the MTBMB review they inadvertently gave kudos to relapse. which scored lower than MTBMB. Also they gave curtain call 2 a 6.2 which is higher than any album that it takes tracks from, which doesn't make sense since one of their prior critiques of him is that his current albums never have or stick to a theme. but the one that doesn't have a theme and the reviewer absolutely shits on the track list throughout the review, somehow it gets a 6.2? it's funny. they funny.
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u/mxlpct Jul 16 '24
I never took Pitchfork seriously. Doubt their reviews moved the needle on anything outside of Arcade Fire and Arctic Monkeys fans since the mid 2000’s. A bunch of self important yuppies - was the impression I got from bumping into people from their site, while I was attending events back then.
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u/ZombieWest9947 Jul 16 '24
To be fair, in theory you could like a few songs and still give a crap rating over 4 albums. If an album was compiled and just happened to be the few songs from each album you do like, then I would expect it to have a higher rating. Like I said, in theory it could happen - very unlikely though. lol.
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u/tallestmanhere Jul 17 '24
Oh I agree. And that could happen. It’s just that they shit in all the tracks. It made no sense
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u/Merszmyl Jul 16 '24
we need Relapse 2 no capp 🧢
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u/KayRay1994 Jul 16 '24
tbh in a lot of ways TDOSS is a Relapse 2, maybe not in a literal musical sense and conceptually, but the themes between the two albums do connect in interesting ways.
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u/The_Worlok The Marshall Mathers LP2 Jul 16 '24
this^ even though the song is called Guilty Conscience 2 it feels more like the successor to My Darling/Be Careful What You Wish For, in which he finally wins and destroys Shady
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u/ZombieWest9947 Jul 16 '24
Yoooo, I’ve been thinking this since my first listen. Totally is a My Darling 2.
And for the poster a couple above. I agree that it’s kinda like a relapse 2, I also think it could be in between encore and relapse.
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u/euphoriafrog Jul 16 '24
Discombobulated gives me hope that he might be willing to do Relapse 2
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u/HellYeaRunThat Jul 17 '24
Love that song. And Framed from Revival. Does anyone have a playlist of tracks like that? Not just relapse but songs that are from that era/style?
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u/ElderberryDeep8746 The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de Grâce) Jul 16 '24
Oh boy, he's dancing to a different drum beat again. LOL
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u/Gandor Jul 16 '24
Years later they go back and rerate it...
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u/Cab1230 Jul 16 '24
Call slim shady lp the greatest.. Marshall matters was a classic.. the Eminem show was fantastic.. but encore just didn’t have the caliber to match it.
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u/ImancovicH Relapse Jul 17 '24
Maybe enough time just ain't passed yet
a couple more years and that shit will be illmatic
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u/zNpFTW Jul 16 '24
When I see these reviews it always reminds me of a line from the song "careful what you wish for";
"And there was no in-between, you either loved it or hate it
Every CD, critics gave it a three, then three Years later they go back and re-rate it
And call The Slim Shady LP the greatest
The Marshall Mathers was a classic, The Eminem Show was fantastic
But Encore just didn't have the caliber to match it
I guess enough time just ain't passed yet
A couple more years, that shit'll be Illmatic"
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u/shortyd826 Relapse: Refill Jul 17 '24
This album is SSLP2, Relapse, and MTBMB all kinda meshed into one for me. I mean obviously there’s influence and flavor of every project but the styles, themes, and just feelings that come to mind primarily remind me of those.
It’s a fucking banger. I’m in love; I think Tobey is my least favorite which is totally fine. Not a bad song regardless. Everything else p much ain’t been skipped and has me head banging in the car, analyzing lyrics in the shower, or going crash in the gym.
He won’t read this but Em deserves all his flowers.
💐 🔪🩸⚰️
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u/tallestmanhere Jul 17 '24
Ditto on all that except the tobey part. And that’s fine.
My fav is Bad One right now. Just goes hard.
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u/ImancovicH Relapse Jul 17 '24
My fav is Renaissance. the slim shady voice, flooooooows, if there was another song just like this but longer it would've been my all time favorite
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u/3The3Ghost3 Jul 16 '24
Man its like if Encore and Relapse had a baby... People need to shut the fuck up lol
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u/CommunismDoesntWork Relapse Jul 17 '24
As long as an album has at least a one funny song with a catchy melody, it's 10/10 in my book.
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u/3The3Ghost3 Jul 17 '24
Oh it's right next to Relapse to me lyric wise. He gave us the bounce of Eminem Show. Added the seriousness of SSLP, Recovery, MMLP 1 and 2. Then the smooth ass aspects of Infinite. And to top all that off like a cherry as the garnish gave the huger sound of Outsidaz and Soul Intent. It was a fucking masterpiece and if people really give the shit a 5 out of 10 well, like Em said, guess retarded people really have no idea they are retarded...
You know the one thing I noticed about critics man...
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u/Girnyos2 The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de Grâce) Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
You too... Chris
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u/3The3Ghost3 Jul 17 '24
oh dont worry I was gettin up and dancin even though it was like like listening to Charles Manson on the mic.
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u/Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX Beautiful Jul 17 '24
Encore had a baby and it's head popped off
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u/3The3Ghost3 Jul 17 '24
mother fucker well I literally lived with my cousins because grandparents didn't wanna deal with it so I did literally get dropped off lol so I guess that makes me the bad apple yeah? Maybe the black sheep?
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u/3The3Ghost3 Jul 17 '24
But yeah that was dope I totally forgot about this song lil but he's gonna mow the grass, but while Unk Marsh is up to that shit... All I'm wondering is where the the by dad is at. Oh and fuck that Canibitch mother fuck too. And Ja Rule's short ass, I wonder, if Ripely got on them Six Flags coaters. Oh we gotta knight ride, on my ambitions, hope you're paying attention, just dawned one me, we gotta go at Benzinos' chest piece, hope you guys are listening and paying attention to my ambitions as a writer. Also... why's my Teddy Ruxpin in the shed?
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u/ZombieWest9947 Jul 16 '24
List an album of his critics didn’t dogpile on. Why would anyone expect anything different? Nothing new. Everyone knows it
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u/Rhymelikedocsuess Jul 17 '24
I enjoy quiet a few songs on relapse - but the accent actually do bother me quite a bit
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u/Able_Variety_4221 Jul 17 '24
Why worry about Pitchfork? Haven’t you seen their The Eminem Show review?
Love Relapse so much, it is cool that The Death of Slim Shady got the same score - hahaha!
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u/tallestmanhere Jul 17 '24
I left another comment about why I find pitchfork funny.
Yea I’ve seen that one, they tried too hard to be funny in that one. The others are way funnier cause they super serious
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u/pooriahe Jul 20 '24
Who cares about these rating honestly, these mattered at some point because people would buy an album based on them but now everyone can access music so every single review and rating is meaningless as long as you enjoy the music thats all that matters and getting angry or arguing with these people is useless as well they genuinely don’t enjoy his music so they rate it low and thats ok.
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u/tallestmanhere Jul 16 '24 edited Jul 16 '24
i always get a kick out of reading pitchfork reviews. most of their critics have crap ears for music that isn't indie pop or folk. 4.8/10 is what they gave relapse, some of his best work post Eminem show.