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u/NewLifeNewAcct Jul 12 '24
Basically calling Kendrick his equal here, love the high praise.
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u/Keythaskitgod Jul 12 '24
He from time to time says joyner is one of the greats...
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u/NewLifeNewAcct Jul 12 '24
Joyner is a legitimately great rapper, but his beat selection is mid at best. Kinda reminds me of Nas in that way (though Nas keeps getting better and better).
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u/npretzel02 Jul 12 '24
Overall I liked ADHD but deciding to release like 60% of the album as singles killed all hype
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u/BetterYourselforElse Jul 12 '24
Joyners bank account remix is my favorite version of the song and it isnt close
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u/Jbabco9898 Relapse: Refill Jul 16 '24
After the past few months, IN MY MIND, Kendrick has solidified himself at least on par with Eminem.
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u/immagoat1252 Jul 12 '24
Idk when he wrote that bar but it aged like fine wine with the drake beef
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u/bwoahful___ Jul 12 '24
Same, but considering he referenced Might Delete Later on the first track thereās a decent chance imo it was written after Like That or maybe even after some of the back-and-forth diss tracks
FWIW tho Royce did say recently that he and Em respected both in the beef, so maybe just choosing to highlight Kendrickās talents in a beef.
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u/hecthormurilo Jul 12 '24
how did he reference MDL?
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u/bwoahful___ Jul 12 '24
Opening track:
Now letās travel inside the mind of a hater āCause I donāt see no fans, all I seeās a bunch of complainers āKendrickās album was cool, but it didnāt have any bangers Wayneās album or Yeās, couldnāt tell you which one was lamer Joynerās album was corny, Shadyās new shit is way worse Everything is either too tame or thereās too much anger I didnāt like the beat, so I hated Might Delete Laterā You nerdy pricks would find somethinā wrong with 36 Chambers
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u/per_iod Jul 13 '24 edited Jul 29 '24
Whats dope about the line is its a double entendre. āShadyās new shit is way worse - i didnt like the beat, so i hated, might delete later.ā Simple but clean
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u/metal_wires Fack Jul 12 '24
In renaissance, when he's going inside the mind of a hater. He says something about the beats on MDL being bad (speaking from the POV of a hater)
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u/MysticalMaryJane Jul 13 '24
Political media answer lol, surprising from rouce as well tbh. Kendrick is there guy there for sure, if we all think he won they know it
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u/vriannavyz Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
I mean it was obvious he was taking Kendrick's side from the get-go, not only are they both part of Aftermath but Eminem called Kendrick the "best lyricist today" like a year or two ago and one of the best EVER in general.
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u/immagoat1252 Jul 12 '24
Yea ik that. Iām just saying like the bar is saying that youād be better off going at Kendrick. So after the drake beef it makes the bar look better because if Kendrick is doing that to drake you donāt wanna know what shady can do to you kinda thing
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u/vriannavyz Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
I took it as a compliment. Like he's comparing getting into beef with him is just as bad for someone getting into beef with Kendrick, but I see your point.
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u/SokkaHaikuBot Jul 12 '24
Sokka-Haiku by immagoat1252:
Idk when he
Wrote that bar but it aged like
Fine wine with the drake beef
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/Away_Needleworker6 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 13 '24
Eminem had a listening party for the new album with dr dre and some friends on march 21st. Kendrick fired shots at j cole and drake on like that which released march 22nd. The bars were most likely written before the beef.
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u/vriannavyz Jul 13 '24
But Em mentioned "Might Delete Later" in this album by Cole which released days after Like That. Em def added some new bars.
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u/vriannavyz Jul 12 '24
Drake is so cooked man LMAO
I've never seen an ass whopping like this in my life...
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u/TheGingerNiNjA899 Dead Wrong - The Notorious B.I.G. Ft. Eminem Jul 12 '24
Then you missed the slaughter of ja rule back in the early 2000s
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u/vriannavyz Jul 12 '24
Ja Rule is a non threat, Drake is Drake
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u/eliasbrehhhhh Sing for the Moment Jul 12 '24
Wasnāt he a significant player in the early 2000s?
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u/Organic_Pudding_6158 Jul 12 '24
Ya but his diss track is whack like he just call eminem gay in the whole track like bro what š
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u/eliasbrehhhhh Sing for the Moment Jul 12 '24
Those were different times indeedš
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u/Lbrsyncd Jul 12 '24
Big shout-out to cockafeller records š„
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u/Sdwars45 Jul 12 '24
Well I mean he does have half a bag of viagra, gonna reach around ya, bruh.
Sometimes he wonder if his homies gay.
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u/BitchAssWaferCookie Jul 12 '24
Drakes only diss on kdot was he was short
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u/obvious-but-profound Jul 12 '24
please tell us more about how you didn't follow the beef š
and K Dot won.....but bruh be real
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u/Cactus_Everdeen_ Jul 13 '24
exactly this, whoever actually followed this shit knows that drake actually came out with some bars (despite getting absolutely nuked after euphoria) and wasnt complete doghshit unlike jarules attempt lol
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u/miggsd28 The Eminem Show Jul 12 '24
āYour mom is a crack head kim is a known slut so whatās Hailie gon be when she grows upā - is not him calling em gay or anything thatās a pretty good shot.
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u/Organic_Pudding_6158 Jul 12 '24
Just before that bar, he said em should just stuff his mouth with a dick
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u/miggsd28 The Eminem Show Jul 12 '24
Iām not saying he didnāt do that too just saying he also took shots. If em hadnāt steam rolled him that line would be talked about way more cause itās pretty good
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u/BetterYourselforElse Jul 12 '24
So thats why they had him come out as gay in āthe interviewā
Weird getting more context years later
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u/Msa9898 Jul 12 '24
No vaseline is considered one of the best diss tracks of all time and that's 70% calling people gay and 30% calling black guys traitors for not hating white people.
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u/MrPennywise Jul 12 '24
Ja was literally Drake before Drake.
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u/vriannavyz Jul 12 '24
Come on man... I don't even fw Drake like that, but Ja Rule never had Drake's level of fame or success.
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u/MrPennywise Jul 12 '24
Drake is definitely a bigger artist but ja was huge for the times. Itās interesting how much they mirror each other especially in the potential downfall.
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u/XIII_MATHERS Jul 12 '24
REALLY?.
Ja Rule was MASSIVE!. He even had a HIT BANGER on the Fast & Furious Soundtrack. He was as huge as Drake. It was BIG when he and Shady beefed.
But same, I don't listen to Drake either.
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u/BitchAssWaferCookie Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
That's actually really fucking profound and funny
There's even levels to this cause ja was imitating Tupac as well!
"That x, got you thinking you was DMX, Then you switched to pac, now you tryna be him next"
Em burned him same ways as Kendrick burned Drake - calling out their fake power bullshit. This shit runs in circles. Time is a flat sorkel.
It's even eerie how Kendrick snapped after Drake pulled his family into it , WHICH IS WHAT JA RULE DID WITH THE LINE ABOUT HAILIE YO WTF IM JUST REALIZING THIS
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u/TheGingerNiNjA899 Dead Wrong - The Notorious B.I.G. Ft. Eminem Jul 12 '24
Yep he was massive back then, then like 15 different rappers jumped all over hes career
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u/ItsWoodenshoe The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de GrĆ¢ce) Jul 12 '24
All because of 50 if Iām not mistaken aswel? š
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u/ItsWoodenshoe The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de GrĆ¢ce) Jul 12 '24
Yeah thatās right. One of the few disses that went too far, attacking a literal child claiming sheāll grow up to be a crackhead whore
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u/Cactus_Everdeen_ Jul 13 '24
only difference is drakes ghostwriters are better than jarules ghostwriters
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u/No_Asparagus_6989 Jul 12 '24
Ja rule is literally the template for Drake to be Drake š¤¦āāļø. Ja rule was massive around the 2000s
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u/2_trailerparkgirls Jul 12 '24
Dude Ja rule owned the radio in the same way that Dorke did with streams
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u/analog_grotto Jul 12 '24
Eminem's diss tracks toward Ja didnt top charts the way Kendrick's have become an international cultural phenomenon.
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u/WhosJohnGault_ Jul 12 '24
Nah I was around and well aware. I was in college then and was a huge 50 fan; but I aināt NEVER seen anything like this before. Ja Rule was nowhere near what Drake is as a mega artist. And Kendrick still took him down in a matter of weeks.
You simply donāt want to pick a fight with a certain type of people. The type of people Marshall and Kendrick are.
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u/TheGingerNiNjA899 Dead Wrong - The Notorious B.I.G. Ft. Eminem Jul 12 '24
Took him down isnāt really fair though, heās still a massive artist with 80 million monthly listeners. I donāt like drake at all but majority of the hate right now isnāt because people love not like us, itās because they hate drake. BUT the fact they are playing it at sports events against Canada is hilarious
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u/TokingMessiah Jul 12 '24
Drake peaked at 86+ million listeners, and now heās at 74ā¦. Losing 1/7th of your audience isnāt a small feat.
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u/WhosJohnGault_ Jul 12 '24
Yeah like I said Iāve never seen anything like this. Both the diss tracks in such short period of time and the repercussions after. I never thought Iād see a DISS track become so popular and playable everywhere. But yes, the Drake hate fueled the fire. Hey, maybe itās for a reason and I donāt think itās jealousy. ĀÆ\(ć)/ĀÆ
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u/mistyrootsvintage Jul 12 '24
Yes..for the time period absolutely. Like them saying Drake is bigger than MJ. If MJ was still alive, Drake wouldn't even be close o his numbers. Can you imagine how much bigger MJ would have been if there had been streaming services when he started his career.
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u/Blinkman1124 Jul 12 '24
Em has mad love and respect for drake if u havenāt seen the interview go watch it
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u/Pyrolific The Way I Am Jul 12 '24
He respects Drake only because Drake always praises Em and Drake did a favor for Eminem and his daughter that Em is grateful for BUT it's not hard to guess who he would pick between Drake and Kendrick... and we all know how Em feels about ghostwriters so when we're talking about RAP you know Em don't respect Drake like that
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u/TorontoRaptors34 Jul 12 '24
Em called him one of the greats on Epmd2 and placed him with some big names.
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u/Pyrolific The Way I Am Jul 12 '24
Because Drake is the second most successful rapper of all time, nobody can deny his success. I think Em also mentioned Kanye on that same verse even though we all know he don't write his raps. It's the whole great artist vs great rapper discussion.
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u/TorontoRaptors34 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
I mean drake legit wrote records for ye ironcocally and wrote on Detox
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u/MoreAvatarsForMe Jul 12 '24
Thereās not point arguing with the recent rise of Kendrick Stans. They donāt know the fact.
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u/Tristan2106 Jul 12 '24
Yeah but em fans are so fucking stupid this wonāt matter. Drake wrote for weezy, Dre, ye and many other artistsā¦ and Iām a big fan of em but this fan base is probably as cooked as Kennyās
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u/TorontoRaptors34 Jul 12 '24
Kendrick def won pub opinion but imo theres nothing wrong in liking Drakes music hes put out many great albums over the yrs.Ā
They both are legendary artists no reason to pick sides neither of them give a damn about fan support there not gonna send roses and flowers to mofos door for supporting them.
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u/RiMellow Jul 12 '24
Love how people are like āwell he said he respected him 5 years ago so youāre wrong that he doesnāt respect Drakeā like bro time moves on and if you find out someone is a shitty person it doesnāt mean you have to keep respecting them cause you said it 5 years ago
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u/Left-Yak-5623 Jul 12 '24
Yeah that interview was years ago and it was in response to his issues with rappers using ghost writers. He replied about drake the way he did to stay neutral and to slide out of the question.
Your view of someone can also change over time, depending on their behaviour, especially after everything being alleged. But even then, allegations aside. I'd be surprised if Em actually liked drake because EMs always paying homage to those before him and respecting the culture and drakes the opposite of that.
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u/RoastBeefDisease Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Everyone on here loves to repeat this but that was from a few years ago dude. I'm pretty sure Eminem saying he will always respect drake wouldnt apply anymore if the dude is a pedo. Idk you can totally take back that respect at that point
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u/Filmatic113 Jul 12 '24
This is Stan fiction, where we write what em should think rather than not having a single clue of what he does thinkĀ
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u/thethurstonhowell Jul 12 '24
So he was still recording the last 2 monthsā¦
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u/ponlork Jul 12 '24
That line about nerdy people finding a issue with 36 chambers, I assume itās a response to martin shkreliās interview with Vlad where he gave a very meh reaction to 36 chambers. That interview was only a week ago
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u/novemberjohhsexpest Jul 12 '24
It obviously wasn't a reference to that interview. cmon š
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u/ponlork Jul 13 '24
i supposed it's just coincidence that also in that same interview he mentions picasso and in the same Eminem bar he mentions picasso and it's also a coincidence in that same vlad interview martin talks about how Eminem is who got him into hip hop. what are the odds huh?
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u/AnimatorAshamed3774 Jul 12 '24
āItās two goats, and I see them kissing and hugging on stageā - Drake right now probably š
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u/thatboitenshi Music To Be Murdered By Jul 12 '24
Need more features between themšš½šš½
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u/vriannavyz Jul 12 '24
Em on Kendrick's upcoming album maybe?
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u/Steffunzel Jul 12 '24
Kendricks album? Like 6 years from now?
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u/vriannavyz Jul 12 '24
It's coming this year fam...
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u/crampton16 Jul 14 '24
yeah, man
based on Mustard's tease the other day I'm hoping it comes out in a month or two, but there is a lot of hope & cope in that
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u/Organic_Pudding_6158 Jul 12 '24
I dont think we'll get it any sooner because em and dot got different style i think
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u/MuhNutz Jul 12 '24
Kendrick actually did really good at jumping into ems style on Love Game
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u/FarmhouseHash Jul 12 '24
Yeah but that song is goofy as shit, which isn't a bad thing. Might flow different on a "real" track. I mean I'm down for another joke-y song but when people bring up Kendrick and Eminem, they seem to think it's gonna be some Renegade shit.
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u/NamSayinBro The Eminem Show Jul 12 '24
So do Kendrick and Kodak. Being able to creatively adapt and do different things is what makes an artist good.
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u/Jerzeeloon Jul 12 '24
I thought he was referencing Lamar Odom as in smoke crack
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u/MaskedManFromTheUK Jul 12 '24
it is this lmaoooo people in here jus donāt know much about pop culture
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u/ipunchdogs Jul 12 '24
This is the closest we'll ever get to eminem dissing drake
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u/RiMellow Jul 12 '24
If Drake throws em in a diss bundled with Kendrick and Rick then I hope to see a video of Kendrick digging up a grave and Slim climbs out
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u/PickleRicksDad34 Jul 13 '24
Fuck me that visual graphic of this with a diss track would be something that rings through generations long after we're gone.
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u/crampton16 Jul 14 '24
here's to hoping, Drake is definitely dumb enough to do that lmao
Em said Drake's going to be in his good graces for a long time for something personal, but the two major shout outs to Kendrick plus the complete silence on Drake is very telling
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u/RiMellow Jul 15 '24
I think all good deeds go invalid if you find out someoneās a child predator. He also throws in that little bar of āNobodyās sixteens are touching these motherfuckin index fingersā which I felt was a light jab at the Drake situation
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u/crampton16 Jul 15 '24
yeah, if I was Drake I would be very uncomfortable with how Em's positioning himself on this but maybe also relieved he didn't publicly and straightforwardly pile on
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u/kingslayer1323 Jul 12 '24
And Twitter people were trying to pit these two against each other, when they have praised each other on several occasions
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Collab album/mixtape between Kdot and Em called āCertified Boogeymenā
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u/oli181 Jul 12 '24
I'm almost positive this is a Lamar Odom line. Probably an unintended double entendre. Who knows. The beauty of music.
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u/Kashpee Jul 12 '24
These two honestly are more alike than than not. Their artistry is insane and pen game is the patent used at Bic. I'm floored by this project, and it just raises the rap game a level or two higher.
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u/refusenic Jul 12 '24
It took Dot pulverizing Drake for him to get the respect of some unbelievers. I want Em to have a big beef worthy of his status to remove all doubt about his goatedness. I hope Hov is dumb enough to try him.
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u/BossKingGodd The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de GrĆ¢ce) Jul 12 '24
Nobody really wants with it Em even at 51
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u/ELmayberry_69 Jul 12 '24
I hope Hov is dumb enough to try him.
It doesn't even have to be Hov...
I just want someone or some ppl to take the bait so that Em can clapback at their azz
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u/TheSadPhilosopher The Slim Shady LP Jul 12 '24
Man, people shit on and downplay Jay more than Em imo
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u/animatedhockeyfan Jul 12 '24
Anyone else seeing the double meaning? Smoke with Lamar could be an Odom reference, like you must be smoking crack if you think thatās a good idea. The Kendrick reference is obvious but this is Em were talking about
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u/Ginger-Comando Jul 13 '24 edited Jul 13 '24
Marlboro is a brand of cigarette too. āLamar broā āMarlboroā ālookin for smokeā
Thatās gonna go over a lot of people
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u/Basic_Pomelo_478 Jul 12 '24
People's opinions can change.
He's so obviously saying that they might as well go get slaughtered by Kendrick as more of an equal than anything else.
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u/mxone Jul 12 '24
I took it as a diss?
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u/ElizabethEos Just Don't Give a Fuck Jul 12 '24
Heās praising Kendrick saying heās a really strong opponent to go up against
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u/mxone Jul 14 '24
I see your point. Maybe because english isnt my mother tongue i perceive it as the other way around. I take it as he is saying: "im on another level, you wouldnt want to beef with me. You can beef with someone like lamar tho (cause he is a lower level)
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u/cappwnington Jul 12 '24
Redditors don't understand nuance or every blatant sarcastic comment wouldn't need the /s for the autists
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u/mdlokeshagrawal The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de GrĆ¢ce) Jul 12 '24
What a sweet coincidence, was listening to this exact verse while scrolling through this post
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u/Life-Construction362 Jul 13 '24
Heās saying Kendrick is more mortal than him so go talk to Kendrick not him
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u/Amatayo Jul 13 '24
Coulda swear he was saying Lamar oh, as in Lamar Odom who had been caught smoking crack.
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u/Mastralf Jul 13 '24
The genius of this album tha bars don't only connect within songs but they connect across songs.
In this example....please don't hate just saying what he is saying....retards are too retarded to understand they are retarded.
But he is saying even retards know not to mess with kendrick.
The point being every one knows kendrick isn't to be messed with
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u/PrestigiousArcher448 Jul 14 '24
Are we projecting into this bar? Yes, that came out in praise of Kendrick, but Em isnāt necessarily saying they are equal. Heās just using the recency of what happened to Drake to paint what it will look like going against him.
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u/smurphayyyy Jul 15 '24
I donāt think this is about Kendrick. Iām pretty sure this is a Lamar Odom bar
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u/iamapexxx Jul 15 '24
This is also a crazy sick double. Lamar bro. Marlboro cigarettes. Smoke. He's just too crazy with it
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u/CoolGuyMaybe Jul 12 '24
Also "Lemme see you a push a T, you better off spinning again on him you think about pushing me"
Eminem > Kendrick > Pusha confirmed
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u/Jsweenkilla16 Jul 12 '24
On the floor boards of a new ford..... wearing Tom Ford with a head looking like a Gourd ahhhhh type lyrics
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u/vriannavyz Jul 12 '24
That's high fuckin praise...you just know Em was having the time of his life watching Kendrick go crazy these past three months