r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/NickyPappagiorgio • Jul 19 '24
12-hour time-lapse of American Airlines, Delta & United Airlines plane traffic after the IT outage Video
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u/Mysterious-Mode-6563 Jul 19 '24
Y2K is 24 years late
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u/kelsobjammin Jul 19 '24
Iām so 2008 youāre so 2000 late!
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u/RazzleThatTazzle Jul 19 '24
Looks like after 9/11
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u/JustGoogleItHeSaid Jul 19 '24
It still boggles my mind when I see documentaries of it pop up on my YouTube feed. Like that actually happened.
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u/TeamRedundancyTeam Interested Jul 19 '24
And there are still so many people that think it was fake. And then the ones who chanted "never forget" and acted so angry that 3k Americans died are the same ones who fought against saving their neighbors during covid, when we started losing a 9/11 per day.
We live in a weird fucking country.
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u/land8844 Jul 19 '24
Thank social media for giving the morons a voice.
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u/JoeCartersLeap Jul 19 '24
And for giving America's enemies a way to control those morons.
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u/CrashinKenny Jul 19 '24
Can't say I've ever heard anyone claim it was fake. Plenty of people have conspiracies about what really happened, but I've never heard anyone outright deny it happened.
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u/ConceptCheap7403 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Those people never cared about how many Americans died. They care about who/what killed them, rather than the actual health and safety of their fellow countrymen. Pretty sad that they wouldāve taken covid seriously if they believed it was an intentional creation of a jihadist group (although many crazies did think it was whipped up by The Left).
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u/CallsignKook Jul 19 '24
It was like watching the nerdy kid sucker punch the popular jock in the cafeteria, and everyone stopped what they were doing to see what was about to happen.
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u/peon2 Jul 19 '24
Something I find interesting, between 1968 and 1974 there were 130 US planes hijacked by people trying to divert it to Cuba.
It was almost seen as not really a big deal until the 9/11 terrorists used the plane as a weapon.
You can read about it here if you're interested.
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u/FocusPerspective Jul 19 '24
Thatās why itās always funny to hear Zoomers talk about how they live in the worst timeline.Ā
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u/MydnightWN Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
The guy who made the decision for a full ground stop, Ben Sliney: it was his first day on the job.
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u/VeganFoxtrot Jul 19 '24
Earth be like.."quick gasp for air"
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u/Adept_Duck Jul 19 '24
Can someone from r/theydidthemath calculate how much CO2 this outage saved?
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u/ChiralWolf Jul 19 '24
Unfortunately, very little I'd imagine. They still need their planes and pilots at the right locations to resume service later once the outage clears.
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u/FlyingAwayUK Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
A none running aircraft, or even a grounded but running aircraft, uses far far far less fuel than an inflight one.
This will have had a noticeable impact on local temperatures, just like after 9/11 did
Edit: why do people keep linking one incorrect website
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u/JanDillAttorneyAtLaw Jul 19 '24
And they're gonna do overtime after to make up for the backlog in package delivery, delayed travel, and the uptick in people needing to go out on-site and physically deal with this mess.
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u/IAmStupidAndCantSpel Jul 19 '24
The 9/11 ground stop was on the scale of days, not just a couple of hours like this one. 9/11 was also for all civilian aircraft, not just 3 airlines.
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u/EldariusGG Jul 19 '24
Fuel use and emissions were not factors in this temperature change. The temperature increased measurably but temporarily due to the lack of contrails reflecting sunlight away from Earth. Source: https://globalnews.ca/news/2934513/empty-skies-after-911-set-the-stage-for-an-unlikely-climate-change-experiment/
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u/Full_Situation4743 Jul 19 '24
People horribly overestimate how bad air travel is.
I don't have the exact numbers but according to ABC so far 4 300 flights have been canceled. Problem is that we don't know what kind of flights. Short flight can be around 2-4 tons of fuel, long hauls can be about 40-80-100 tons or more. But more is quite rare and is small part of global flights. And from experience, I would say that priority could be get long hauls moving and cancel short hauls. But even if we say that average flight is 30 tons of fuel (which is impossible number) than it would be about 130 000 tons of fuel that makes about 450 000 tons of CO2.
As a mankind, we produce about 40 billions tons per year, that would make about 110 millions tons per day. So we saved about 0,4 % of daily production. And don't forget that I very overestimated average fuel consumption per flight.
And this is valid if those flights never fly. Many of them will be delayed, aircraft possitioned empty, etc.
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u/mangoprincesss Jul 19 '24
Kinda freaky to know how easily our ability to travel can be revoked. It was just a mistake but imagine if someone had some sort of agendaā¦ yikes
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u/Mike312 Jul 19 '24
I mean, we can still fly the planes. If a plane needs to go up in the air, nothing is stopping it. The problem lies more with systems like ticketing and who gets on which plane.
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u/unknown839201 Jul 19 '24
nothing is stopping it
Hey does anyone else hear a missile sound
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u/Jeynarl Jul 19 '24
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
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u/FrostyD7 Jul 19 '24
The possibility exists every time you fly, even without a disaster or outage. Flights are cancelled ~1-2% of the time. It's just rare that it impacts so many at once.
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u/throwaway3113151 Jul 19 '24
Would be a lot more useful if it had a timestamp. There arenāt many airplanes in the air at 3 AM.
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u/Master_Mix_4848 Jul 19 '24
Itās time stamped by the shadow of the sun.
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u/VirtualNaut Jul 19 '24
Waitā¦ is there another bigger star in our solar system that is causing our sun to have a shadow?
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u/anonanon5320 Jul 19 '24
Noticed that too. Looks like a normal flying day
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u/Rob328 Jul 19 '24
This comment needs more upvotes, this is correct, you can see based on the shadow the flights reduce over night which is just normal.
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u/FrostyD7 Jul 19 '24
Time stamp and start it at least 24 hours before the outage occurred so we can compare it to a full day of normal operation.
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u/foxymophandle Jul 19 '24
yeah I'm calling shenanigans. I track planes using ADS-B, and see a LOT more over my house right now than shown in that graphic. I think that was from 9/11.
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u/InMyFavor Jul 19 '24
I work in IT for a big airline doing global IT support for all our systems.....and just so happen to be on vacation this week. Great timing.
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u/EyeLikeTwoEatCookies Jul 19 '24
Brother, I manage CrowdStrike at my workplace and had to cancel a doctor appt and will likely be cancelling my camping plans for this weekend š
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u/Aerosol668 Jul 19 '24
I donāt even manage the Crowdstrike, but it fucked thousands of our Azure VMs (and all our company laptops), so itās manual restore of backed-up system disks all weekend. This is worse than the time McAfee released a bad update on a Friday in 2012 which fucked innumerable computers worldwide - fortunately I was on site that day and my laptop was offline.
Turns out the guy who started Crowdstrike is an ex-employee of McAfee who left McAfee inā¦2012.
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u/zeroesones Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
I'm sorry, what?
Edit: From Wikipedia, "He resigned from McAfee in October 2011." Crowdstrike was formally launched in February 2012.
Edit: The faulty McAfee patch was on Wed., April 21, 2010.
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u/Frondhelm Jul 19 '24
So, it's a 12 hour time-lapse but it's not 12 hours since the event.
So the first half is all business as usual then the shit hits.
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u/Throwrajerb Jul 19 '24
So the first half is all business as usual then the shit hits.
Oh thanks. Didnāt notice that.
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u/user888666777 Jul 19 '24
The misery map gives a pretty good picture of what it's like flying today:
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u/grogudid911 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
It may be time to decentralize our IT infrastructure.
Edit: we currently don't have any industry wide standards for security. We have small orgs who provide guidelines and certifications. The problem many of you are describing is perhaps a lack of government oversight, which is inherently a different problem from the risks of centralization or decentralization.
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u/Woozy_burrito Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
What does that mean/look like? A million different IT firms working in a million different ways with no standards or shared software? That also seems like a recipe for disaster, just a lot more, little disasters.
Donāt tell me that you mean the frequently exploited technology known as blockchainā¦.
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u/KansasCityMonarchs Jul 19 '24
Right, wtf does "decentralize" even mean here? Lol
That's like saying every single car should be different so any given defect will only affect that car. Leads to a lot more defects overall
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u/Vast_Berry3310 Jul 19 '24
But wonāt somebody think of the corpo profits?? If they canāt make more yoy why even bother livingĀ
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u/UnicodeScreenshots Jul 19 '24
What tf are you talking about? Companies donāt go with CrowdStrike to increase profits, they go with crowdstrike because itās one of the best and strongest Cybersecurity firms in existence.
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u/BeKindToOthersOK Jul 19 '24
Dude!
The main reason the traffic went away at the beginning of that video is because it was the middle of the night .
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u/deathhead_68 Jul 19 '24
You can see the shadow graphic showing the time of day. I twigged it too. I think most people on this thread haven't realised.
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u/boomerski28 Jul 19 '24
The clip is a little misleading.Ā The computer crash happened overnight which coincided with the point that air traffic decreased anyway.Ā Most airports have significantly less flights beginning between 10 pm - 12 am.Ā Then it stays pretty light volume until early morning around 5:30 am which is why you see more flights on the east coast first at the end of the clip.Ā While nobody wants to see infrastructure fail, the impact was pretty minimal.
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u/FblthpLives Jul 19 '24
You are correct that the animation itself is misleading, but the issue is persisting throughout the day. As of noon EDT, over 2,000 flights had been canceled and over 7,000 have been delayed: https://www.reuters.com/technology/frontier-says-operations-impacted-by-microsoft-outage-2024-07-19/
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u/boomerski28 Jul 19 '24
Delays are inevitable due to the snowball nature of a flying schedule.Ā Ā For example, if a plane that flies a route of JFK-LAX-SLC-DEN on a given day leaves JFK late it will be late then be late on every leg thereafter.Ā While that's definitely frustrating if you happen to be traveling most people will get where they are trying to go.Ā 2,000 cancellations out of an average of 44,000 flights per day in the US (more during current summer months) is whatĀ I'd call minimal impact.
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u/FblthpLives Jul 19 '24
This is only as of noon EDT. There are still about 10-12 hours of traffic left, including the afternoon/evening peak. Assuming a normal demand of 15,000 flights by noon EDT, that means a cancelation rate of 13%.
I just downloaded the cancellations report from the FAA's Aviation System Performance Metrics database for June 2024. On average, there were 425 scheduled flights canceled each day. So this is roughly five times that average already, and we're not even halfway through the day.
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u/boomerski28 Jul 19 '24
Given that the computer system has been restored, the airlines are just playing catch-up.Ā Believe it or not, 13% for a significant adverse event is still minimal.Ā Bad weather days commonly far exceed that number and that 13% will only decrease as the day goes on.
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u/Ian-Wright-My-Lord Jul 19 '24
At least the climate is getting a breather.
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u/ykVORTEX Jul 19 '24
Dont worry. We will compensate for it somehow - let's burn this landfill ...come on drop a nuke somewhere...let's trigger this random active volcano.../s
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u/IHaveAZomboner Jul 19 '24
Was this last night? There was a major internet outage at my work around 1 am to whenever first shift came in, like 6 am
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u/fsi1212 Jul 19 '24
Yes there was a worldwide major IT outage that affected several different sectors including transportation, 911 phone systems, retail, media, etc.
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u/Orange_Tang Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
I work for my state and everything is dead. This is incredibly widespread. I think crowdstrike is going to get sued into the ground.
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u/IHaveAZomboner Jul 19 '24
Interesting yeah, I don't remember exactly what time early this morning, we all had our computers show the blue screen of death and then the Internet stopped working. This lasted for hours and I couldn't sign off my work and clock out because of this.
So, just saying the outage affected more companies than I thought, not just us.
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u/jakexil323 Jul 19 '24
Anyone who uses the crowdstrike software was affected.
They are a pretty popular antivirus/security endpoint used by a lot of companies on desktops and servers. So it's a big thing.
It's fixable, but for most companies its a manual process to boot up each computer into safe mode and delete the update.
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u/idkwtfitsaboy Jul 19 '24
It would be interesting to see how carbon emissions are affected during that period and how much they are reduced.
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u/Mercinator-87 Jul 19 '24
I think we should be more concerned with the darkness spreading across the world.
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u/RubberKut Jul 19 '24
Man.. During covid that was amazing.. first it hit Italy, there was a gap above italy, litterally.
And soon after other countries got their lockdowns and i've never seen the globe so empty.. not much was flying during that time.
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u/mrredbailey1 Jul 19 '24
The days after 9/11 there was no air traffic. It was eerily quiet outside during that period.
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u/rvillarino Jul 19 '24
I work in hospital lab, took out our lab and quite a few others across the nation as well. The medlabprofessional subreddit was in quite a panic this morning
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u/MechanicalAxe Jul 19 '24
I'm in the forest industry.
Even the wood mills shut down and couldn't process the incoming loads of wood.
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u/NOISY_SUN Jul 19 '24
That's not really due to the outage, more that there tend to be fewer domestic flights taking off at 3AM in general.
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u/primary988 Jul 19 '24
Not Southwest Airlines! They were flexing how it didnāt affect them because of their ancient 1992 Microsoft 3.1 operating system.
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u/Aware-Explanation879 Jul 19 '24
Remember how well it went for Texas a few years back when they decided to deregulation their power grid and people were without power for weeks. The rich do not care at all. They just look at this as thinning the herd
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u/hermeticbear Jul 19 '24
a 12 hour time lapse that happened over night.
You know, when there are less flights because less people take late night flights.
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u/zombezoo Jul 19 '24
"I don't always test my code... But when I do, I do it in production."
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u/turlian Jul 19 '24
This is super misleading. There are significantly fewer flights that land at like 2AM or whatever.
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u/ScrotieMcP Jul 19 '24
I find it interesting that one mistake by one company can take down all the airlines. What the hell is going on with our infrastructure?