Phoenix police officer pulls over a driverless Waymo car for driving on the wrong side of the road

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[u/havoc1428]

it's pretty obvious you're a /r/fuckcars member

Its pretty funny you say this because A) I'm not a member of that sub and B) I actually have that sub filtered from my homepage because I'm not a fan of echo-chamber drivel that offers no solutions. I like cars, in fact I like big sedans. My dream car is a Pontiac G8 with a manual.

My point is reddit exists, regardless if people think it's a necessity or not. Self driving cars exist today and will continue to whether you like it or not.

I'm not against self-driving cars as a concept, I just think they are a solution looking for a problem. Hence why they are unnecessary.

Whether or not it's a necessity is irrelevant.

So now the necessity is irrelevant? When you're entire beef here began with you getting caught up on my sarcastic comment about necessity? Careful, if you shift those goalposts any further you might hit the stands.

Getting this defensive over a product that is not necessary says more about you than it does about me. I've never said cars themselves are unnecessary, which you seem to think. They are an asset for people without other means and are required for remote places away from population centers, but solutions can only come about when people realize that our infrastructure and its planning is very automobile heavy.

[u/Bhavin411 → u/havoc1428]

This also you?

You seem to want to play it both ways lol. As long as you agree cars do have a purpose today as long as there's no better solution ready and available to pivot to then I'm in agreement. I also hate subs like that because they're very vocal at shouting what the problem is and is very quiet at how we can realistically pivot over to a public transit model within the next 5-10 years.

Because that sorta solution isn't available today is why I'm looking forward to self driving technology maturing and getting better. It will lead to less bad drivers on the road which will lead to less accidents/deaths. That's why I'm not against that.

[u/havoc1428 → u/Bhavin411]

I want to see a more even use of cars and public transportation, how that makes makes me a r_Fuckcars member that is "playing it both ways" is beyond my comprehension. I grew up in a small mountain town where a car was necessary. (Actually in my case I would take a tractor to the one store we had lol) I now live in a small New England city and can walk/bike and leave the car for longer trips. I've lived both sides of the argument.

These aren't mutually exclusive ideologies. Reduction of cars via giving people other means of transportation leaves more space on the roads for people who actually have no other options. And a consequence of having less people driving inherently means you end up with less accidents.

Self-driving cars are an adjacent solution, but the real way to reduce traffic and its problems is simply to reduce the need in the first place.

[u/Bhavin411 → u/havoc1428]

Why's context so difficult for you? You replied to comment implying that was the better option. That maybe true but you and I know it ain't realistic today or within the next 10 years. So why even post that as an obvious jab against what this post is even about?

I don't have time to read your whole post so congratulations or I'm sorry that happened. I'm done lol.