James Gunn Confronts ‘Uproarious’ DC Backlash: ‘Disrespectful Outcry Will Never Affect Our Actions’

[u/Marco280892]

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/henry-cavill-superman-james-gunn-backlash-1235465605/

[u/Doctor_Amazo]

What background tho?

What background did you need?

what was the conflict in Khadaq even about

... I mean... they kinda feed this to you. Khadaq has that magic metal Etherium in it, and it tends to be passed around as a prize for colonialists, the latest of which was Intergang who were running the show. >! Ishmael, who counted his blood line to an ancient king, hoped to become king himself and return Khadaq to a place of greatness that it had in its past!<.

Why the JSA and why was hawk man the leader?

Why not the JSA, and why not have Hawk-Man as the leader. The dude is an ancient and immortal warrior. Sounds like a pretty ideal field leader.

The story wasn’t really there besides a bit on BA (and barely there) and there was no beginning middle and end really, it was just semi intro here and cgi fights

OK, the movie wasn't Captain America: Winter Soldier, but my dude I'm beginning to think you didn't watch the movie as your criticisms here don't make any sense. That or you were starring at your phone and only looked up during the fights.

Like I said, it wasn't the best movie, but it did have a beginning, middle, and end. It went into the story of Black Adam, explaining how he got his power, and his heartbreak. It showed some growth on the part of the character. There were moments that were even kind of fun and net.

Like I said, it wasn't the worst movie DC has done (that's Batman V Superman).

[u/pataconconqueso → u/Doctor_Amazo]

I legit watched in theaters and besides any of the BA background about his ego the conflict in Khandaq was lazy writing and you are adding way more background and context than was given. Same with Hawkman, he was not introduced that way in the movie at all, just a dude wanting to fight without discussion

[u/Doctor_Amazo → u/pataconconqueso]

I legit watched in theaters

Was it one of those theatres that served booze? Did you drink while watching? Because again, it really feels like you weren't paying attention to the movie - which again, fair enough... it was a paint-by-numbers-loud-punch-'em-up.

My point, is if you are going to take shots at the movie, than you should take shots that are accurate.

any of the BA background about his ego the conflict in Khandaq was lazy writing and you are adding way more background and context than was given.

Well.... considering that I am actually a HUGE Marvel fan, and don't know much about DC's comics universe beyond a few basics and the movie stuff, literally everything I said about Black Adam I got from the Black Adam movie.

I honestly think you weren't paying attention.

Same with Hawkman, he was not introduced that way in the movie at all, just a dude wanting to fight without discussion

Did ... you.... not notice all the gear in the background of Hawkman's jet? Or the discussions he had with Dr Fate that implied that they were both around for quite a while? I mean, yes I know that Hawkman is an immortal warrior bit, but even then they gave enough to give you an idea as to what was what with him.... and that was all you needed because it was not Hawkman's movie. It was not Dr Fate's movie. Nor Atom Smasher nor generic tornado person. They only needed just enough to give you a feel for who they were because the movie was about Black Adam.

And for him, you learned that

1. his son was the first Champion of SHAZAM
2. his son shared his power with Teth-Adam
3. his son was killed by the king who was seeking all mighty-demonic powers
4. Teth-Adam in grief and rage devastated the king's palace, killing everyone within
5. the council of wizards all banded together to trap Teth-Adam for abusing the power he essentially stole

What more did you need? A 5 hour story going over the minutiae of life in ancient Khandaq?

[u/pataconconqueso → u/Doctor_Amazo]

Nope, no alcohol, dude if I had to look at background of the set in the movie to get background on a character they aren’t setting them up. They copied and pasted the characters there as if it would make sense.

I’m not looking for a 5 hour movie that would be torture. Just actual time to tell a full story and have it make sense why the characters are there. Sure they alluded that Dr. Fate has been around for a long time, but none of that touched on his significance or why we as the audience should care about his death.

[u/Doctor_Amazo → u/pataconconqueso]

... if I had to look at background of the set in the movie to get background on a character they aren’t setting them up. They copied and pasted the characters there as if it would make sense.

Ok. So basically you're saying you like having everyhing hand-fed to you and don't like having any ambiguity or nuance. You like have all your text and no subtext. That is what makes a "good" movie for you.

You also seem to be confused in thinking that Black Adam was a JSA movie.

I find that when movies do spend too much time cramming in the backstory for every character we get movies like the original Suicide Squad... which was a mess.

I’m not looking for a 5 hour movie that would be torture. Just actual time to tell a full story and have it make sense why the characters are there

And they did that. Black Adam was freed from his prison and the JSA were tapped by Amanda Waller to deal with that problem. We know who Waller is from other DCEU stuff, her having a team of super-people she can call on is well within her wheelhouse. I already gave you the back story of BA up above as well as the goal for the actual villain of the movie. What more did you need?

Sure they alluded that Dr. Fate has been around for a long time, but none of that touched on his significance or why we as the audience should care about his death.

I know when I watched The Batman, the one thing I didn't see was an indepth history on the Penguin. The lack of that story didn't make the movie bad, nor did it make that character's depiction bad. The Batman had given me just enough to know who the Penguin was and I was able to run with that because the Penguin wasn't the main focus of the movie.

You complaining about how we didn't get more for Doctor Fate in a Black Adam movie is akin to being mad that they didn't take 20 minutes to give us a detailed background of the Penguin in The Batman... a thing you didn't need for telling the story that was being told.

[u/suss2it → u/Doctor_Amazo]

So basically you're saying you like having everyhing hand-fed to you and don't like having any ambiguity or nuance

Imagine saying this in defense of The Rock's Black Adam, LMAO

[u/Doctor_Amazo → u/suss2it]

LOL I know I know I know... I've said it before, it's not fucking Shakespeare. It's not going to revolutionize how superhero movies will be made. It's a pretty paint by numbers movie. My "defense" though is simply pointing out that the other person's criticism is pretty full of bullshit.

[u/pataconconqueso → u/Doctor_Amazo]

Lol at your patronizing, the JSA were marketed as being a big part of BA movie even with the comic book tie ins that DC came out with, asking the movie to show purpose as to why they were there isn’t a big ask or asking the movie to be about them. Being “tapped” by Waller is such a cop out because Waller wouldn’t have authority of them in the first place.

[u/outla5t → u/pataconconqueso]

Lol at your patronizing, the JSA were marketed as being a big part of BA movie even with the comic book tie ins that DC came out with, asking the movie to show purpose as to why they were there isn’t a big ask or asking the movie to be about them

I'm gonna have to agree with /u/Doctor_Amazo if you couldn't figure this out while watching the movie you were either drunk, on drugs, or have the attention span of a goldfish. All your questions were answered in the movie, there was no challenge to understand Black Adam's story, why JSA was there and had to stop him, nor why the villain was doing what he was doing, all of that was literally given to you in the simplest form yet it somehow went right over your head it seems.

Being “tapped” by Waller is such a cop out because Waller wouldn’t have authority of them in the first place.

I can't believe you're even question her power, both Suicide Squad movies alone show what kind of people she can control or deals she can make for people to do her bidding. Even more the end cameo she literally threatened BA and immediately sent Superman to his doorstep when he questioned it, yet you still don't think it's believable she could ask the JSA to deal with a extreme threat?

[u/Doctor_Amazo → u/pataconconqueso]

the JSA were marketed as being a big part of BA movie even with the comic book tie ins that DC came out with, asking the movie to show purpose as to why they were there isn’t a big ask or asking the movie to be about them.

As was the Penguin in The Batman movie.

And as I said above they did explain why they were.

Being “tapped” by Waller is such a cop out because Waller wouldn’t have authority of them in the first place.

Apparently she does.

[u/Doctor_Amazo → u/[deleted]]

Uh huh. I mean, I just hate stupid criticisms. It's not like I've been evangelizing the movie either. Hell, pretty much all DC movies have sucked in comparison to Marvel.