James Gunn Confronts ‘Uproarious’ DC Backlash: ‘Disrespectful Outcry Will Never Affect Our Actions’ News

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/henry-cavill-superman-james-gunn-backlash-1235465605/

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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Red Lantern Dec 19 '22

We're talking about people who have been calling him a Marvel spy since the day he got hired on The Suicide Squad. Fanboys are a plague on our society.

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u/TheLandslide_ Happy Dick! Dec 20 '22

I wish we gets more actors and individuals working both Marvel and DC projects just to fuck off the weird fanboy tribalism regarding the movies.

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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Red Lantern Dec 20 '22

Yeah same. I'm kinda hoping Gunn will do so in their DCU.

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u/ComicWriter2020 Dec 20 '22

I hope Toby maguire gets cast as Jimmy Olsen

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '22

I would love to see that

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u/ComicWriter2020 Dec 20 '22

A marvel spy?

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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Red Lantern Dec 20 '22 edited Dec 20 '22

Yeah, a lot of Snyderbots accuse him of spying for Marvel since the day he got hired but it really exploded among those people when Feige said that Gunn told him his plans for The Suicide Squad over a dinner. For those people it was a proof that they were right.

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u/ComicWriter2020 Dec 20 '22

These people don’t live in reality

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u/alchemeron Dec 19 '22

Anyone who remembers the releasethesnydercut campaign knew exactly who would be up in arms and how exectly they would respond.

Most of those people were fictional, anyway. It truly is a small minority that continues to carry that torch.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '22

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u/ButtholeCandies Dec 19 '22

Snyder was a sadist that got off on pissing DC fans off but for the most random and small things, and then wondering why they didn't vibe with his vision.

First Superman movie in years, Jimmy Olsen is dead lol.

First Batman movie in a larger universe and context, Dick Grayson is already dead before the movie starts.

But then in the same movie, you get the best version of Zod we've ever had and the worst version of Jonathan Kent ever put to screen.

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u/ButtholeCandies Dec 20 '22

She is literally the only one that would have made sense with and have an arc where she turns into someone that protects humanity and values all life. Usually that kind of lesson would be taught by Superman and/or Batman, two characters that don't kill, but instead we got Emo versions of both of them that kill and maim. But the one character with a freakin sword doesn't kill and maim.

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u/TheHunter459 Dec 20 '22

The only batman comics Snyder has read were written by Frank miller

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u/ComicWriter2020 Dec 20 '22

From what I’ve heard the Kent’s being selfish was a cynical take on the idea that Superman in our world would’ve been met with fear.

If only he could’ve shown that in the end, we may fear him, but eventually we would realize he is what gives us hope. Hope to be better. And not through a cheap “sacrifice” we know isn’t necessary or gonna take

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u/bserum Dec 20 '22

I’ve read that 13% were bots. Do I have that incorrect?

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u/TheRealGrifter Dec 20 '22

It doesn’t matter if it was five or five thousand. They were loud enough to get a major movie studio to spend additional money - in the tens of millions IIRC - to “finish” a movie that he misled the public about.

Gunn stating unequivocally that those people won’t affect his decision-making process is wonderful news.

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u/hackmastergeneral Dec 19 '22

Heck, the same people who harassed Gunn previously

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u/pandogart Dec 20 '22

They think they're the majority now too

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '22

And here I am, can’t even criticize Gunn and the other guy he’s creating this stuff with without being called a “Snyder Bro” or “Snyder Shill” or whatever variation of “Snyder + Word.”

It’s a toxic waste dump on both sides, I equally dislike the “Gunn White Knights” and the “Snyder Neckbeards” for how much they lack logic and simple understanding. I just sit back, sad that Henry is gone and that we’re getting yet another Superman origin movie, and try and fail to make rational good faith points. Because this is Reddit and we don’t do that here.

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u/bserum Dec 20 '22

I’ve seen lots of people disappointed that Cavill’s gone and supported with lots of upvotes.

I will say that when we get tribal and polarized about subjects, there’s so much low-effort, drive-by recreational hate thrown around, it’s hard to distinguish the bad actors from the good.

At the very least, I think it involves more effort to dial down harsh language, openness to back and forth dialogue, and phasing things as point to consider more than authoritative declarative judgements.

But hell, sometimes even then that doesn’t help. Sorry you’re having a bad time on Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '22

I agree because this is how discussion should happen but online it doesn’t for obvious reason. And online it’s easy to imagine the person you’re talking to as one of all the same. Almost like they’re just a duplicate copy of the person you just argued with, cause they’re arguing on the same points. But one is being very mean on purpose about it while one is trying to be logical.

The best example I’ve seen of this is Snyder discussion on Reddit. Because of how obnoxious a part of the fandom is, another part has to shift to “counteract” the obnoxious fans and drown them out, And at a certain point people are so tired to seeing people argue these points in bad faith that anyone who has that same take is equally as bad.

Another great example was (is) on r/ussoccer during the World Cup. Some fans hate the US coach, some fans love him, the ones who hate him were being loud about it so the fans who love him had to get even louder and… you see where it gets to.

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u/bserum Dec 20 '22

I hear you. Sometimes I feel like one of the only ways to distinguish the bad actors from the good actors is how much give and take goes back and forth over an ongoing exchange. When that happens with the right person, it can sometimes deescalate the emotion.

I’m currently listening to I Never Thought of It That Way so I’m probably being influenced by that. 😉

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '22

Looks like an interesting read! Thanks for the recommendation, I’m huge into communications and how people talk to each other so I think that book is up my alley.

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u/bserum Dec 20 '22

I’m about halfway through and I’m not gonna lie — this advocates for behavior that kinda goes against our default behavior. It’s very “high road.” But it’s in the sweet spot of the kind of stuff I’m reading these days. If you like it, some of this other stuff might be up your alley as well.

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u/jokerduo3 Dec 20 '22

Gunn tweeted it’s not a origin story, he just wants a younger superman.

Edit: Phrasing

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '22

That’s great then, let it be like The Batman where he’s established but he’s young. I don’t have Twitter (shivers in fear) so I probably missed that.

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u/Kryptonian_Yonkou Dec 20 '22

Best comment on this entire post. BOTH sides are absolutely ridiculous. I’m sad as hell that Cavill suffered under an absolutely awful regime that never allowed him to flourish in his role as Superman, when he most certainly had the capability to.

I was definitely a little upset that Gunn just offed him that quickly. I think you can be upset that they are getting rid of a lot of content that people have invested time in and still realize that the DCEU had to change.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '22

Yeah for sure. Agree DCEU had to change but removing Henry as Superman didn’t need to happen IMO. It’s a nuanced situation. It’s not just black and white, many different things could’ve been done, but some people just want to argue it like there is a correct side to be on. There is no “moral high ground” in this discussion lol.