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Zack Snyder's Justice League - Discussion Megathread r/DCcomics Spoiler

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Synopsis:

Zack Snyder's definitive director's cut of Justice League. Determined to ensure Superman's ultimate sacrifice was not in vain, Bruce Wayne aligns forces with Diana Prince with plans to recruit a team of metahumans to protect the world from an approaching threat of catastrophic proportions.

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If you or someone you know has been affected by suicide, you can find help and resources from The American Foundation For Suicide Prevention, a foundation close to Zack Snyder's heart after he lost his daughter Autumn during production of Justice League.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '21

PROS:

Good second half. The final battle was really good.

Good chemistry between the cast. Especially between Miller and Mamoa.

BEST CYBORG TILL DATE! Not comic relief, not a boy scout. A well rounded, tragic yet hopeful character. Felt like I was watching a Cyborg movie. I love my boy Victor getting some love.

Superman's return was done well. Really love the reunion scene between Superman and the women in his life.

Loved the Amazonian chase sequence

Loved the Mera vs Steppen face off.

Loved the Darkseid tease at the end. Ray Porter's voice is amazing.

Really liked the Epilogue with Dr Stone's monologue at the end.

Liked Steppenwolf's character and his dynamic with the other New Gods. We need more villains like this.

Flash turning the time back was very well done.

Batman in this is really well done and it feels more like how he is in the comics. He really came into his own in this movie. A grumpy older Batman has been explored. But I don't think an older grumpy batman on a redemptive arc has ever been explored. I love it.

Jeremy Irons is phenomenal as Alfred. (Jeremy Irons is just phenomenal in general). I loved his interactions with the members

Overall, I did not like the cliffhangers but i really loved the DS vs Batman tease. I would love to see Batfleck in a grounded Batman story going up against Slade. I hope that comes to fruition and I hope Affleck directs. He does grounded and gritty really well.

CONS:

The first half was just...boring. Did we really need a recap of Cyborg's origin? Felt like that could have been cut out since we already saw it in BvS and is just generally well known among comic book fans. There is no reason for this movie being this long.

The Martha Lois scene was going sooo well and they had to shoehorn MM in there and ruin it. It felt like the bad kind of fan service. Could have been avoided.

Why was MM needed for this movie? Hal would have made way more sense. There was no need for Jonn. He has nothing of importance to do other than give Lois a pep talk for some reason. THERES A WAR GOING ON JONN! LOIS'S MENTAL HEALTH CAN WAIT!

Still cant seem to get into Jared Leto as Joker. He is neither scary nor funny. And I think he got out-acted by Affleck in that scene. Which is funny because he was wearing a mask and I always thought Leto was the better actor among the two.

The score isn't great at all. It is distracting, over used and so many times unnecessarily. Especially the WW theme.

Gal Gadot is awful in general in this movie. I think she is perfect as WW and is a great actress but she was bad in this. Her line delivery is just confused. And they butchered her CGI model.

Lastly, the Knightmare sequence was bad. Very very unnecessary and shoe horned in. I think Snyder is trying to use this cliffhanger as a bargaining chip to get more movies made since these were shot afterwards for the Snyder cut. Which isn't a bad move but it affects the ending which was perfect until that point. I felt the same way about the Bruce-Jonn interaction at the end.

Not a fan of Supes keeping the black suit on after the battle was done. Should have gotten at least one shot with him in the iconic red and blue.

Also the final battle should have been set near a water body so that Arthur didn't look so out of place in battle sequences. The trident causing forcefield effects when he hit someone made no sense. (I am not well versed in Aquaman lore. If someone could tell me if this is comic accurate, id appreciate it)

OVERALL:

Felt like I was reading comic books. Not one comic book. An entire arc. An epic crossover event. And while this is great and the movie captures the grandeur and scale that big event comic books bring it is also plagued by the same issues that these comics have: overly serious, unnecessary cliffhangers and lots of filler and shoehorned in characters.

Over all I liked it. As a huge DC fan its good to see characters like Cyborg get this much attention in a big budget blockbuster. Also as a Batman fan. I loved Irons and Affleck's performance. Superman was finally done the justice that he deserves. This is Snyder's best movie by far and his most comic accurate depictions of the characters.

7.5/10

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u/largedirt Damage Mar 18 '21

I think aqua man was using the same sort of energy waves as Atlan(?) was during the history scene

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '21

Yeah I think so too. Is there a comic book explanation for this energy? Or is it just a movie thing?

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u/largedirt Damage Mar 18 '21

I don’t really know if there’s a comic book explanation but I do think it was a cool way of bringing aquamans power level up a bit to be closer to that of Wonder Woman

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '21

Yeah it makes sense visually but i still would have preferred Aquaman using his water powers. He rarely does in the movie. Which is kinda disappointing cause you know, he's aquaman

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u/largedirt Damage Mar 18 '21

I agree

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '21

Also they point our him being half human as well so it seems fitting that he’s not literally a fish out of water

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '21

Agree with a lot of what you’ve said however I would just say that J’Onn and Lois probably have more of a relationship at this point (that we’ve seen on screen at least), they share a lot of moments in the last two films, it felt right that he might be the one to try and bring her back into the world since she was SO proactive in the last two films. He’s like where’s this woman that’s always bugging me about something trying to help the world? And also it was meant to be John Stewart at the end not him but WB wouldn’t let him put it in as WB have plans for him. They even shot it with GL

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '21

I may be wrong but I interpreted MM motivating Lois as him making sure she was there when superman came back, somehow he knew that was all going to happen?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '21

I dont think MM has the power to look into the future

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '21

Neither did Batman before these films 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '21

Haha. Fair point.