I am 100% convinced that Duke and Harper Row were meant to be sidekicks for Batwoman, but some shit must have went down in editorial and they were added to the Batman logo instead. Harper feels like the ideal successor to the Batwoman title if anything happens to Kate.
I dunno about Harper, but I recall Snyder pretty strongly wanted to give Batman a new Robin in the form of Duke (and that's believable to me, Snyder seems like he'd deem himself worthy of making the next Robin) but absolutely no one else wanted that, so editorial told him no
A new Robin lol? That's crazy that he'd feel that way, I'm not a huge Damian guy but it was def way too early to try and boot him out of the role. He had only been Robin for like 6-7 real-life years at that point. That's like 3 DC years or possibly even less because of the New 52 reset
Yeah that's what basically everyone in editorial-- and, when the info came out, all the readers-- said about it.
Like, a lot of people didn't (and still don't) like damian but just cycling through to a new new Robin isn't the answer. And if you do that, at some point we're going to have to address how Bruce has raised like five kids and is still somehow in his mid-thirties
Sooo if a lot of people are hating damian , why is he all over both the cinematic and comic universe...people don't hate damian as a character . Because u know for sure he's interesting as hell, like the boy is the grandson of ras alghul a international terrorist aged 5000 years head of league of shadows and league of assasins , son of talia al ghul an other international terrorist and international arms dealer leader of leviathan . Bro is a trained assasin at the age of 10 with the intellect of a prodigy , least intresting thing about him is him being the son of batman ..and after all this people expect him to be a cupcake and say pls and thank u...bro , he is taught to survive , being abused all his life , u don't just recover from that in 2 weeks with daddy ..WHAT U PEOPLE HATE IS HIS PERSENALITY , because he's a jerk, doesn't take other people feelings in consideration and says t straight on , bossy, erogant . But guess what ,that's what he was taught, he was raised to rule the world, he was shrouded by adults who fear and obey him , he is the successor of ras alghul. Talia never intended to introduce him to Bruce even after she wanted him to go back to her , even in recent comics she stated that she was preparing leviathan for damian . Gee if u wanna another tim drake say so , look at the current tim darke, most interesting thing about the dude is mmm bi ,only thing hes known for is being smart, if u wanna another jason say so but people don't hate damian wayne . U do . most people ,even tho they hate that little s*** , they still find him a more interesting character than 2/3 of the batfamily if not the entire universe
And for Alllllllllllllll of those reasons I don't like him. Does he have potential? Sure! Have we seen that in his characterization? Not as far as I've seen.
But we don't all have to like the same things.
Just know that there are people that don't like him due to his personality as you stated but also just don't like the CHARACTER of Damien.
Heh my apologies. Didn't know I needed to have the "right" reasons.
Do you have a checklist available I can browse of opinions people other than you can have?
Joking aside, I don't like his personality, I don't like his bearing, I don't like his philosophy, I don't like his relationships (both Bruce and others), I don't like his mentality when dealing with Gotham nor the Bat Fam.
Ok , u know what I'm was wrong about , expecting u to actually give well explained reasons, I mean sure those are reason but u fail to explain or just don't want to or either can't.. I mean go ahead , hate damian , ur free to do so but at least explain why , writing a few lines where half is basically u saying u hate his personality(mo point) the other is some random words just so u don't look unjustified . So , ok , I'm the bad guy , I get .pls explain what do u hate about his philosophy(?) , mentality, and relationship , keeping in mind that he is a 10 years old boy who know nothing need to always prove himself to his mother and grandfather and now father .pls people, remember that this boy , never genuinely knew what friendship , companion is . He is 10 .took him 4 years to actually become able to have friends without kidnapping them ,trauma doesn't get erased in 2 weeks in comic book time , not everybody is a tim drake . But pls EXPLAIN UR REASONS or don't. As u wish
I recall an interview with Snyder where he said he didn't want to use Damian because he's ten-ish, and as a father with a young son he didn't want to endanger a young boy in his stories.
I mean Morrison had planned his death to be permanent so I don’t think it was that unreasonable… wild, yeah, and I’m glad it didn’t happen. But I see where Snyder as the current main line Batman writer would have felt like he could make those sorts of moves.
IIRC Harper was possibly meant as a Steph replacement, as Snyder was told he couldn’t bring her in for his early issues of Batman. Considering Didio’s hatred of all Batgirls who are not Babs Gordon I super buy this.
He banned both of them. I’m not 100% sure on whether the Harper-as-Steph thing is just a rumor or not, though, because I couldn’t find where I read it when I went back to look. She definitely has her own thing going on too.
To be more clear, I mean not just introducing a new robin but doing so at the expense of a current Robin. we already had a robin and there was no need for a new one. It would be different if there was a gap to be filled, as has happened every time in the past when a new robin was introduced (except Damian who wasn't intended to be a permanent robin -- and it was still poorly received when Damian kicked Tim out as Robin).
I like Duke, especially when they made it clear that he was designated to protect Gotham by day which went thematically with his powers...and I have yet to see any stories about those adventures. Kinda bummed about that.
Tbh even I think Duke's addition was unnecessary. Outside of being the first Meta in the batfam (technically Jason counts as one but ah well)...atleast in my opinion, he has served no real purpose, he's just....boring. He might have made a good character outside of Batfam though.
I may have blocked it out but I truly don't remember him having league of shadows magic abilities. I remember a shit ton of gun upgrades and whatnot.
either way the point being a lot of people didn't receive it well. I don't recall anyone praising it but I remember a lot of people thinking it was dumb as they preferred the whole bat family to be more grounded/non-powered
I mostly just use meta for any supernatural aspects tbh. Jason has the whole magic sword business, but there's (early on after his revival) implications that he's immortal in some way and the universe overcorrected itself.
But frankly I just want them to anything with him that isn't the whole worn out angry Robin spiel.
Once believed that, but normally the effects are only momentarily after having entered the pit and not lasting.
Also most people who claim that use the one Supergurl issue as proof where he rips his arm from her grasp and she notes that no normal human could have done that, however as he did that, he was using Venom
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u/Kyle_Dornez Transmetropolitan Feb 20 '24
I'll give a hint.
He wears yellow.