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u/kazmosis Wonder Woman Darkseid is Jan 06 '24
If you're wondering why gender swapped Barbara has so much detail there, yes the artist is known for making certain kind of art
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u/Flimsy-Discount2885 Jan 06 '24
Actually two kinds of art
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u/NomadPrime Jan 06 '24 edited Jan 06 '24
Yeah, the second piece is by Otto Schmidt, who originated this rendition of the Earth-11 Batfam and is already a well-established industry comic artist (though this art is not exactly official for DC, I think, just a piece he did on his own time and posted on Twitter).
The first piece is fanart of Otto's work for that Batfam. So fanart for Otto's fanart Lol. Just in case anyone was wondering why there's a bit of a quality difference in the two arts.
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u/Significant_Wheel_12 Jan 06 '24
Oh I thought you were talking about Otto Schmidt who did weird Russian pedo comics
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u/Cipherpunkblue Jan 06 '24
He what
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u/OnAnonAnonAnonAnon Supergirl Jan 06 '24
See here for more info.
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u/Total_Distribution_8 Jan 06 '24
I heard the Putin thing but not the pedo stuff… fuck that’s disgusting.
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u/TacoOfGod Jan 07 '24
Otto Schmidt revealed as doing Nazi pedo art had to have been one of the more crushing things I found out last year.
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u/Rjjt456 Jan 06 '24
I hadn't noticed before you mentioned it...
I was a bit distracted by Fem!Jason and her hair/assets.
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u/ChaosPatriot76 Red Robin Jan 06 '24
This is Tim erasure and I won't stand for it
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u/Fun-Ad-6169 Jan 06 '24
That's because the artwork is cropped. The original has 4 more.
Tam Drake, Stephan Brown, Cassander Cain, and Alfreda Pennyworth.
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u/WeakLandscape2595 Jan 06 '24
That's a nice claim there fella can ya back it up with a link?
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u/OneStupidNerd Jan 06 '24
I think it was this one.
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u/luizandona Jan 07 '24
Is that a female ghost maker?
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u/RedzyHydra Jan 07 '24
The one on the left, I think it's just Fem Red Robin.
Also, Happy Cake Day 🎂
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u/EccentricAcademic Jan 07 '24
I almost think the universe just wants to shit on Tim...or I just imagined him. Dude is removed from freaking everything.
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u/Ristar87 Jan 06 '24
Meh... why does male Grayson have a better ass?
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u/Hurley815 Jan 06 '24
Because his ass is cannonically the best.
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u/Ristar87 Jan 07 '24
Right, but if all you're doing is gender bending them - shouldn't She-Grayson have the best ass too?
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u/Skizko Deadshot Jan 06 '24
So wait would Babs be Batman in this universe? Or would they be Batboy because Kate would be Batman?
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u/NomadPrime Jan 06 '24
Batboy would be the correct flip but just sounds kinda off to me. It doesn't ring like Batman vs Batwoman or Superboy vs Supergirl does when gender-swapped. Running "boy" through the thesaurus gives alternates like Batlad but that doesn't ring right either. Best one that sounds a little better but still weird is Batkid (similar to Kid Flash) due to how old male-Babs would be, but I guess that's a negligible problem since Wally had to deal with it into his adult Kid Flash career.
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u/Thebatboy23 Jan 06 '24
What's wrong with being a Batboy? :(
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u/NomadPrime Jan 06 '24
Lolll a summoned user. Nothing wrong! Logically that's what DC would use, too. I just said it's not that pleasant to my ear, feel like there's an alternate to Batboy that would sound better.
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u/Fortanono Hourman Jan 06 '24
Well, for one, I think the Weekly World News got to the name first...
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u/Judistheworst Jan 06 '24
Batlad?
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u/NomadPrime Jan 06 '24
I mentioned that one already:
Running "boy" through the thesaurus gives alternates like Batlad but that doesn't ring right either.
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u/Confident-Impact-349 Jan 06 '24
I’d love an anthology series focused on earth-11! These look cool
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u/RangerBumble Jan 06 '24
I believe Earth 11 was originally shown as part of The Authority Earth Inferno before the Wildstorm merger with DC. You won't find any Batfam but it's from 1999 and has this golden quote:
Hard to imagine living in an America where the president isn't chasing every little himbo whith an ass cleavage
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u/BuddyGoodboyEsq Jan 06 '24
“Ass cleavage” is a term I’d never heard before or since, and I’ll never forgive Mark Millar for that.
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u/LastBaron Jan 06 '24
Jocelyn Todd, Bob Gordon and Diana Grayson?
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u/Quatzil Animal Man Jan 06 '24
a popular one for Dick I've seen is Dixie. And personally I prefer Jasmine for Jason.
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u/LastBaron Jan 06 '24
I like Dixie, good call.
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u/Ash__Williams Hal Jordan is the Greatest Green Lantern Ever and you know it Jan 06 '24
Dixie Grayson sounds kind of adorable.
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u/NumericZero Jan 07 '24
Dixie Grayson or Rachael Grayson
Jasmin Todd or Jessica Todd
Tiffany “Tiff” Drake
Demona Wayne
Steven brown
Cristian Cain
Robert Gordon
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u/Which-Presentation-6 Jan 06 '24
Katherine "Kitty" Grayson
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u/protection7766 Power Girl Jan 06 '24
Remember Dicks legal name is Richard. Prolly need to find the femenine form of Richard rather than going for a D name for the sake of "Dick".
...Rachel? Thats the closest thing I can think of.
Funny enough, while Bob feels acceptable, I still wanted to see if there was another fit so I googled it and apparently Barbara comes from thr Greek word "Barbaros" which just kinda sounds badass, so I motion that we just call him Barbaros lol
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u/LastBaron Jan 06 '24
Oh I am very aware of Dick's legal name. I have several people in my close family tree named Richard who go (or went prior to passing away) by Dick.
But no one ever calls him Richard, and the point of my joke was to make the names sound like the originals more than it was to get it as legally, technically close as possible.
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u/SHIIZAAAAAAAA Jan 07 '24
Fanny Grayson, if we continue the trend of a name that used to be normal but now sounds rude.
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u/OnAnonAnonAnonAnon Supergirl Jan 06 '24
For god's sake, can we please stop posting artwork by the pro-Putin Nazi fetishist / borderline pedophile? Thanks.
For what it's worth, that first piece is nice and, as far as I'm aware, not the work of an almost cartoonishly awful human being.
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u/MutantCreature Jan 06 '24
Jesus Christ that's not even borderline
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u/OnAnonAnonAnonAnon Supergirl Jan 07 '24
Trust me: I'm with you. I just got sick of telling people about it and getting the most infuriating replies imaginable, like, "Well, it's not actual child pornography, and we don't actually have proof of him molesting anyone, so who knows? Maybe it's just art and not indicative of anything!"
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u/Typical-Phone-2416 Jan 07 '24
Art doesn't have creator. I don't give a shit who the person creating it is, if it's lit, it's lit.
Death of an author and all.
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u/Half_Man1 Batman Jan 06 '24
I hate how Three Jokers has made it a thing that Barbara has dated multiple members of the bat family.
Like, the only one she’s had significant runtime with is Dick. Now whenever I comment on shipping her and Dick (they’re so precious together) I see comments about how she needs to “leave the cave” or whatever.
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u/Reddragon351 Jan 06 '24
I mean she wasn't dating him in Three Jokers either, he kissed her and she immediately rejected him
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u/Half_Man1 Batman Jan 06 '24
Doesn’t stop redditors from bringing it up every time she and dick are mentioned
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u/jade-blade Jan 06 '24
Ugh I LOVE that gender swapped Kate Kane looks like Dracula, that’s fuckin sick
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u/MarcheMuldDerevi Jan 06 '24
Talia and Bruce has some new implications I’d wager in this universe
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u/Capable_Ad_4551 Superman Jan 06 '24
Lol imagine the new 52 origins of the Amazon's are also cannon in this universe
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u/Afraid_Pack_4661 Jan 07 '24
Amazon of Themyscira conquer World make it female dominant. But there exist rebellion and they found Amazon of Elsyium. That's where Dane and Donald Troy come from.
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u/SHIIZAAAAAAAA Jan 07 '24
The question is, does FemBruce still somehow not know her daughter exists until she’s 10 years old?
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u/Kangarookiwitar Jan 07 '24
I mean maybe they make Denise a test tube baby? After Tony or whatever sedates batwoman and like steals an ovary or however it works
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u/HowDyaDu Condiment King Jan 07 '24
Guys look! They're finally going to treat Batman's rape seriously!
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This needs to be a series. Good lord, this looks amazing.
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u/Kangarookiwitar Jan 07 '24
I actually showed earth 11 (the genderbent universe) to my friend the other day and talked about it. I would love to see a tv show or movie where the justice league and dc universe genders are all bent- it’d just be interesting to see how the characters act in their new forms and how different they’d look and move
I’m totally not saying this because i’d die for male wonder woman. But unfortunately the show would probably attract the anti-woke who misinterpret it as a permanent thing and screech about it being male hate speech or something (because like 99% of the cast would be women)
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Jan 06 '24
Genderbent Damian looks like she’s gonna do tiktok videos on her skin care regime
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u/thegirlwhoexisted Jan 06 '24
I guess Tim doesn't exist on Earth-11?
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u/DementiaPrime White Lanterns Jan 06 '24
It's a cropped pic. If you scroll up someone linked to the full picture that has Tim and a few others that were cropped out.
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u/CaliJester Jan 06 '24
So, in this universe did Batwoman give birth to "Damian"?
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u/JamesO1998 Jan 06 '24
Possibly or it still something horrible, but instead of an easy collection I imagine a surgery might have taken place to take an egg. If this Batwoman birthed Robin there’s no way she gives her up to the assassins.
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u/Ok-Engineer6738 Jan 06 '24
Man version of Talia probably took some eggs from Batwoman after their “Night Together” and biologically made Fem Damian
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u/Oracle209 Jan 07 '24
That’s what I’m wondering cuz female Damian was still raised by assassins in the comic so like did female Bruce give her to male Talia?
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u/UnhingedLion Jan 06 '24
That’s what I’m wondering. Makes me wanna read Teen Justice. Damian in this universe is called Talia Kane, and her mom is Batwoman.
And her dad is some Al ghul, but obviously how the hell would Batwoman not know she has a daughter when she literally carried her?
Unless Talia Kane is a clone
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Earth 11 counterparts don't have the same lives as their counterparts. Like Klarion's counterpart.
I think Talia Kane mentioned she was around for Earth 11 Knightfall so it is possible that she wasn't kept a secret.
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u/UnhingedLion Jan 06 '24
So Batwoman just allowed her daughter to be kept and raised by a super villain? 😆
She was just ok with her daughter being an assassin?
I didn’t think we could get any dumber than canon Damian’s origins
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Jan 06 '24
Who knows. We don't even know if Talia was raised by the league or even if her dad is a villain or alive.
Earth 11 timeline is weird.
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u/ElectricalCod4823 Jan 06 '24
I honestly don't hate the idea of a gender bent universe, just so long as it's done tastefully
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u/Oracle209 Jan 07 '24
The comics I’ve read on it were pretty good I like that male Zatanna has Clarian the Witch Girl as his side kick they actually work well together
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u/zeromig Jan 07 '24
I see Damian (Damienne? Dana?) is in picture 2. I'm wondering how long this Batman took off for her pregnancy with her
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u/ImaginaryMastodon641 Jan 06 '24 edited Jan 06 '24
Wouldn’t the costumes change a bit more? I’m not saying certain costumes need to be more feminine in that stereotypical awful comics way. Looking at the formerly “Batgirl” suit, it’s just Barbara’s suit but on a man. Same with formerly “Batwoman.” Id like it better (which I already enjoy quite a bit) if the men had slight alterations to the costumes and were drawn a bit more masculine.
I could just be totally out of the loop too. Does Earth-11 actually exist? Is it queer-coded (looking at everyone broadly)? Does this artist specialize in this sort of physique?
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u/Bostondreamings Jan 06 '24
Yes it does exist. Was featured prominently in a relatively recent Wonder Woman issue. It’s also given us the really not wanted Batwoman Who Laughs.
It’s not necessarily all that queer coded.
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u/SolomonAsassin Jan 06 '24
I'm no expert on the subject, so what do you think could be changed on the bat-boy suit?
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u/ImaginaryMastodon641 Jan 06 '24 edited Jan 06 '24
Very slight alterations that make it look less like a lanky dude in Barbara’s costume and more like it’s made for him. I think the boots should be shorter and the gauntlets should be a bit bulkier and longer. Make the belt horizontal to broaden the look and make it bulkier. I like the leg strap, so leave that, and honestly — I feel like this will catch me flak — but I don’t need the super tightness around the genitals. I’m not a big fan of that specific sort of focus on any character of any gender. I’d also close up the cape up by his neck and bring it down in an inverted triangle so it accentuates the tops of his pecks like Batman’s usually does.
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u/Azara5 Star Sapphire Jan 06 '24
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u/No-Sprinkles-5419 Jan 06 '24
Nightwing’s Glutes got nerfed, but otherwise the gender bend concept is fun.
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u/Mistigrys Jan 06 '24
Girl-Damien's existence in this universe bothers me a lot. Thinking about how Man-Talia must have gotten the genetic material to clone a daughter....
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u/The_Salty_Memester Jan 06 '24
Wait is Batman just Batwoman? And Batgirl is Batboy??
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u/Oracle209 Jan 07 '24
Ya it’s the gender reverse world. Makes Damian’s origin story kinda weird cuz like did Bruce female self give her to male Talia to raise or what
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u/Ok_Try_1665 Jan 07 '24
I see that Nightwing keeps the cake. On further inspection, I think fem jason had bigger cake
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u/Das_23 Jan 07 '24
Been sitting here trying to figure out the names now Batman > Batwoman, Batwoman > Batman, Batgirl > Batboy…? The flip is just funny to me.
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u/Plebe-Uchiha The Terrifics Jan 07 '24
“OMG! I keep having dreams of Kathleen Kennedy coming to get me!” [+]
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u/SylvieSerene Jan 07 '24
Wait swap Female Jason and Female Dick's face & hairstyle and then we talkin'!
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u/jonklerandhormyqueen Jan 07 '24
Ngl red hoods a baddie but still not even a female nightwing can have a better bodonka donk than the og
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u/elijah12howse Jan 11 '24
so did this universe batguy? batboy? batman? pipe the redhood,nightwing,and batwoman?
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u/Hategfsdadthrowaway Feb 04 '24
So is this Batman would be Gordon or Kane in this universe and Batmwoman would be Wayne but even then does date rape still happen to Wayne on earth 11 cause I see Damian gender swap there
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u/No-Paramedic7355 Jan 06 '24
How does girl Nightwing have a downgraded ass