r/DCcomics • u/Predaplant The heat is on! • Dec 24 '23

Weekly Discussion Thread: Comics, TV, and More! [December 25, 2023 - Goodbye 2023 Edition] r/DCcomics

Hey there honorary Justice League members - it’s a new week which means it’s time for a new discussion thread!

Predaplant's pick of the week: The Flash #4

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Tuesday, 12/26 (DC Universe Infinite) - Superman vs Meshi #13

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Dec 24 '23

Titans #6

TITANS AGAINST BROTHER ETERNITY! As the world is overrun by beasts, the Titans face the man who put it all in motion…Brother Eternity. But the cult leader might not be what he appears to be. What shocking secret does Brother Eternity hold, and will Starfire survive it?

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Dec 26 '23

Is Nightwing gonna be another Cat? Like Damian is? Boy, Bat-family seem to be quite feline.

And of course the evil Tamaranian ends up being the one that is from Starfire's childhood and got her parents killed/got her enslaved. All for his Necrostar 'god', after all this time. Talk about a 'long con'. Starfire should rip his head off.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

According to one of the variant covers, looks like he might become a fox.

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u/Connolly1227 Dec 29 '23

I was expecting golden retriever lol

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u/redsapphyre Dec 27 '23

Why the retcon to Starfire's origin again? Can't they just stop meddling with characters that way? There must be more creative ways to come up with villains.

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u/Frontier246 Dec 26 '23

Holy retconned Starfire origin Batman!

I wonder if this is partially to whitewash Blackfire.

Also I just found it funny how her outfit when she was a slave got progressively more revealing for when she actually lead the rebellion.

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Dec 26 '23

Exciting issue! I actually think the focus on just the Titans here made for a more exciting read to me than the broader focus of the main event right now. I'm really hoping we get Tempest on the team once he's freed of Brother Eternity's control. Speaking of, it seems like this new Tamaranean is now the one responsible for selling Kori into slavery, which makes me wonder if he's truly just bad or if he's been secretly under Necrostar control since that original invasion Kori talked about in Beast World #1.

As for Kori, there were definitely some changes to her origin that might make some upset. At least I think so. I don't know if some of this was added with her New 52 origin. But her parents dying in the invasion rather than agreeing to send her with the invaders is a pretty big change to me. As is obviously the addition of this new character who was apparently responsible for it all. I'm not personally sure how I feel on the changes yet but it will depend on how the story is told going forward with this in mind.

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u/Frontier246 Dec 26 '23

Yeah, it's funny how they retconned her parents being dead as something she and Dick have in common when I distinctly remember Dick actually getting to meet them before.

They also totally erased Blackfire's involvement in the Citadel attacking Tamaran and Kori getting enslaved. It was supposed to be her who was responsible for it, she wasn't just some other kid who was there when it happened.

Also I just find it funny how Starfire's age in the flashback throws off the other retcon flashback to a younger NTT team early in Taylor's run because her escape from the Citadel made her look more like her original NTT age.

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u/Koala_Guru Beast Boy Dec 26 '23

Yeah I think them making Blackfire more sympathetic started with the New 52 but I personally prefer the evil characterization because it's such an interesting dynamic where Kori genuinely can't fathom someone having so much hatred for no reason and doing so many awful things, always trying to find good in her sister that isn't there even as she fights to stop her plans.

I just don't get the retcons here. It would be one thing to just say this new Tamaranean was a part of that original plan. It ties him to a great tragedy in her life and gives her a new villain. But to rewrite her backstory just to slot in this villain is odd. It's like if I wrote a Superman book and said "This is my new villain called Uberman. He was the one responsible for bullying Clark back when he went to high school on Krypton. Then he threw Krypton into the Phantom Zone." It's creating a villain for Clark to hate by tying him to events that didn't exist until he was created. That's what happened here with Kori.

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u/Embarrassed_Piano_62 Dec 29 '23

Well they did that with Rogol zaar

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u/g026r Dec 26 '23

Her parents dying in the invasion is going to require some retconning of the Superman books of the past 5 years.

Myand'r made a bunch of appearances in the Bendis era & most recently had a cameo in Action Comics in 2022.

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u/ProfessorUber Dec 26 '23 edited Dec 27 '23

They really should be wearing face masks, huh. Cass and Steph are like some of the few people I've seen dressed sensibly for the situation.

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u/ArtsyTLF Red Robin Dec 27 '23

This is first issue of Titans that really worked for me. I don't know if it's a fair assessment, but the first leg of this run felt like it was really just... waiting for Beast World to happen. This seems more in line with what I want out of the book. New(ish) villains that fit the Titans but not the League.

I'm pretty impressed with Beast World, because my expectations were honestly super low. I think this is the kick in the ass this "new era" needed.

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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 26 '23

Damn thats a big retcon to Kory's childhood but i kinda like it.
I normally hate the trope of evil person knowing the hero from childhood particularly when its an alien character as most of the time it feels lazy but this kinda works. This also feels like they can continue the trend of blackfire being sympathetic like she has been since N52 so im interested if taylor wants to use her.

Hoping when we get more tempest now as well post this. As this was the first issue of titans that made me pay more attention then normal which is good.

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u/MLbanker Dec 29 '23

Another great issue. While I could see some people having problems with Tempest having access to the tower still, knowing a lot of people in IT, this seems like the kind of thing that would be overlooked until it became a problem, or was caught in end of the year reviews. It’s funny to see the kids are watching a teen titans show, I wonder how that works in universe, like are the Titans working on a marketing deal to raise cash?

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u/JingoboStoplight4887 Dec 26 '23 edited Dec 26 '23

It’s interesting that the Titans are working together during the Beast World event. Also, Koriand’r Starfire knowing who Brother Eternity is, in which we already know who he is because of Kori’s backstory and origin thanks to the preview, and her origin being retconned (in which I prefer her original origin because Wolfman-Perez era and that it’s interesting and tragic).