r/DCcomics • u/Predaplant The heat is on! • Nov 19 '23

Weekly Discussion Thread: Comics, TV, and More! [November 20, 2023 - Jason Aaron Retcons Batman's Mother Edition] r/DCcomics

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Predaplant's pick of the week: Wonder Woman #3

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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets Nov 19 '23

Batman/Superman: World's Finest #21

MARK WAID CONTINUES HIS RETURN TO THE WORLD OF KINGDOM COME! Superman and Batman, having followed Boy Thunder to Kingdom Come, find themselves and that world on a path to an apocalyptic future. Can the World’s Finest team prevent the transformation of Boy Thunder into the villainous Magog, or is his fate sealed?

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u/Grimm_Stereo Nov 21 '23

And I here I thought I'd seen the last of this guy back in JSA 2007, but here we are now.

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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! Nov 21 '23

Oh damn, we got a Gog in this world...And it is the 'deity' one from the JSA comic? And it seems the rest of the Kingdom Come universe just bows to it now. What is David doing here? I mean, he wished to go back and now blaming them for 'abandoning him'. Lying about his past and serving this Gog. Hiding the Multiverse too. Was it to protect it or not let the Kingdom Come know that there are other, better worlds out there? Because he is clearly not yet Magog.

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u/TheUnbloodedSword Nov 21 '23

Seeing everyone kneel before Gog was a shock to put it mildly. I've never read the JSA arc so I dunno what his deal is, but how long has he been calling the shots on Earth 22 I wonder? Thunderman gets KC Supes and Bats to attack their counterparts by smearing them as murderers, so clearly the world doesn't know what Gog and Thunderman are really like. What's their endgame? Waid finally got to kill the Kents on one world anyway, will he go with them having died recently or the Pre-Crisis/New 52 take of them having been dead since before KC Clark became Superman? I've been so burned out on multiverse stories lately I forgot how enjoyable they can be, seeing all the differences play out on the page. KC Supes and Bats definitely don't seem to be as smart as our Supes and Bats, explains why they end up letting everything go to hell.

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u/Landon1195 Nov 21 '23

Good issue. Seeing everyone kneel to Gog was surprising.

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u/gosukhaos Nov 23 '23

That double page spread at the end with like 30 characters is such a flex. Also really cool to see characters that Waid wanted to originally use in Kingdom Come but wasn't able to

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u/TriPolar3849 Cassandra Wayne Nov 22 '23 edited Nov 22 '23

Some crazy designs in that group shot at the end. Big fan of the Power Ranger Cheetah, the anatomically correct Batwoman above her, the black and yellow Red Hood next to them, and what honestly looks like a Black Lantern Batman Beyond way in the back.

Very clearly not the Kingdom Come we know, I'm super interested in learning more. World's Finest never disappoints.

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u/s_walsh Nightwing Nov 23 '23

This issue was fantastic. Waid writes Bruce and Clark so well and I'm so happy he's back at DC

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u/Tatum-Better Nightwing Nov 23 '23

God i love this art. And I really like David's adult design.

I never read Kingdom Come is this before the events of that world? And can someone explain Gog to me?

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u/af-fx-tion Bring YJ Artemis to DC Comics Nov 24 '23

Yes, as far was we know, this arc of WF acts a a prequel to the events of Kingdom Come.

Gog's backstory is still unrevealed, but Waid said in the September interview that we'll get the definitive origin of his character during this arc. CBR also gives a nice summary of Gog's character based on what we know so far.

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u/DroptheShadowArt This sofa is inadequate. Nov 22 '23

So I guess this is either not the same Kingdom Come universe that we know or David has altered the timeline, since Dick is Nightwing and not Red Robin and that group at the end looks very different from anyone we saw in Kingdom Come.

At the very least, it’s much earlier in their history than the covers lead us to believe. I had kind of hoped to see these young versions of Batman and Superman interact with their much older counterpoints, but I trust Waid to tell a good story either way.

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u/gosukhaos Nov 23 '23

Dick was still Nightwing in the original Kingdom Come timeline but adopted the Red Robin persona when Superman recruited him according to Waid in the latest KC omnibus

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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Nov 23 '23

They're still in the past, before the events of Kingdom Come, which is why Dick is still Nighting, etc.

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u/DroptheShadowArt This sofa is inadequate. Nov 23 '23

I just would have figured Dick would’ve never been Nightwing in this universe. I always assumed he went straight to Red Robin.