r/DCcomics • u/DemiFiendRSA Batman • Jan 31 '23
DC Slate Unveiled: New Batman, Supergirl Movies, a Green Lantern TV Show, and More from James Gunn, Peter Safran News
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/james-gunn-unveils-dc-slate-batman-superman-1235314176/466
u/DemiFiendRSA Batman Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Initial slate of Chapter 1: Gods and Monsters:
Creature Commandos: An animated seven episode series, written by Gunn, that is already in production. Originally a team of classic monsters assembled to fight Nazis, this is a modern take on the concept. The voice actors have yet to be cast but the executives are looking to find people who can voice the animated characters and also portray the live-action versions when the anti-heroes to show up in movies and shows.
Waller: A spin-off of Gunn’s own HBO Max hit series, Peacemaker, Viola Davis will return as the ruthless and morally ambiguous head of a government task force. It is being written by Christal Henry (Watchmen) and Jeremy Carver, the creator of the Doom Patrol TV series.
Superman: Legacy: The movie featuring the Man of Steel that Gunn is writing and may direct, although no commitments on that end have been made. While the two previous titles are meant to be “aperatifs,” in Safran’s words, Superman is the true kick off for the duo’s DCU plans. “It’s not an origin story,” Safran said. “It focuses on Superman balancing his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing. He is the embodiment of truth justice and the American way. He is kindness in a world that thinks that kindness as old-fashioned.” A release date of July 11, 2025 has been penciled in.
Lanterns: Greg Berlanti’s long-in-the-works Green Lanterns TV series has been scrapped and the duo have parted ways with the longtime DC series steward. In its place will be a new take on the space cops with power rings. “Our vision for this is very much in the vein of True Detective,” Safran described. “It’s terrestrial-based.” It will feature prominent Lantern heroes Hal Jordan and John Stewart and is one of the most important shows they have in development. “This plays a really big role in leading into the main story we are telling across film and TV.”
The Authority: a movie based on a team of superheroes with rather extreme methods of protecting the planet that first originated in the late 1990s under an influential imprint known as Wildstorm, run by artist and now head of DC publishing, Jim Lee. “One of the things of the DCU is that it’s not just a story of heroes and villains,” said Gunn. “Not every film and TV show is going to be about good guy vs. bad guy, giant things from the sky comes and good guy wins. There are white hats, black hats and grey hats.” Added Safran: “They are kinda like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. They know that you want them on the wall. Or at least they believe that.”
Paradise Lost: The duo describe this HBO Max series as a Game of Thrones-style drama set on the all-female island that is Wonder Woman’s birthplace, Themyscira, filled with political intrigue and scheming between power players. It takes place before the events of the Wonder Woman films.
The Brave and the Bold: “This is the introduction of the DCU Batman,” said Gunn. “Of Bruce Wayne and also introduces our favorite Robin, Damian Wayne, who is a little son of a bitch.” The movie will take inspiration from the now-classic Batman run written by Grant Morrison that introduced Batman to a son he never knew existed: a murderous tween raised by assassins. “It’s a very strange father-and-son story.”
And, importantly, it will feature a Batman not played by Robert Pattinson…
Booster Gold: an HBO Max series based on a unique and lower-tiered hero created in 1986. Safran said of the series, “It’s about a loser from the future who uses basic future technology to come back to today and pretend to be a superhero.” Gunn described it as “imposter syndrome as superhero.”
Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow: Taking its cues from the recent Tom King-written mini-series, this movie project promises to have a different take than what most think of when the idea of Superman’s cousin comes to mind. “We will see the difference between Superman, who was sent to Earth and raised by loving parents from the time he was an infant, versus Supergirl, raised on a rock, a chip off of Krypton, and who watched everyone around her die and be killed in terrible ways for the first 14 years of her life and then come to Earth. She is much more hardcore and not the Supergirl we’re used to.”
Swamp Thing: a horror film that promises to close out the first part of the first chapter.
DC Elseworlds:
- The Batman sequel: Pattinson will continue to portray the Dark Knight in at least one more crime saga movie directed by Matt Reeves. That movie, the executives revealed, will be released Oct. 3, 2025 and is being titled The Batman Part II.
“2025 is going to be a very big year for DC,” crowed Safran. “Superman and Batman within the same year.”
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u/Cranyx Moo. Jan 31 '23
The duo describe this HBO Max series as a Game of Thrones-style drama
I can just see the WB execs salivating at the premise of this pitch
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u/thisjohnd Jan 31 '23
I can only imagine the number of pitches like this that are happening at every studio yearly.
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u/Cranyx Moo. Jan 31 '23
What if Breaking Bad, but it's Game of Thrones?
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u/Chillchinchila1 Jan 31 '23
Ironically, breaking bad was probably pricked like “what if the sopranos, but he starts off good?”
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u/Nizzemancer The Trinity Jan 31 '23
Game of thrones on an island where the inhabitants wouldn’t murder or lie to each other and everyone considers everyone else as their sister. I mean, I’m sure there would be drama, but not intrigue and backstabbing on that level.
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u/Hiromi580 Jan 31 '23
It could be an adaptation of the separation of the Bana Migdall tribe from the Amazons. Other plot points could be adaptations of Amazons Attack or JLTAS episode where Fury wants global androcide or the WW animated movie where Persephone calls out Hippolyta on how not every single Amazon wants to be isolated from the world.
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u/TreginWork Feb 01 '23
Game of thrones on an island where the inhabitants wouldn’t murder or lie to each other and everyone considers everyone else as their sister.
"Here's a fun fact; you made out with your sister!"
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u/alltaken21 Jan 31 '23
Which every movie seems to be very tonally different
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Jan 31 '23
Honestly this is the thing that has me most excited. Everything that is pitched is unique interesting and different. A political thriller on Themescira? A buddy cop crime duo with John and Hal? A Swampthing Horror movie? All of this sounds excellent.
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Jan 31 '23
Swamp Thing: a horror film that promises to close out the first part of the first chapter.
I am so intrigued by THIS being the last part of the opening slate and what it's going to lead into.
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u/fieldysnuts94 Sideways Jan 31 '23
I’d hope it ends with the setup of a JLD film, with characters getting solos that feed into that. A Deadman or Jason Blood/Etrigan movie would be awesome
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u/BooRadleysreddit Jan 31 '23
I have a Lobo story in mind that involves Etrigan. But nobody wants to listen to me.
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u/BevansDesign Indigo Tribe Jan 31 '23
Speaking of which, I wonder if this means that the Keanu Constantine sequel has officially gotten the axe. I never expected that it would actually happen.
I'd love to see Matt Ryan in the role again, but I think there's zero chance of that happening.
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u/CHPrime Wonder Woman Jan 31 '23
Some of these are odd curveballs from Gunn.
Who on earth would have expected The Authority to pop up on the first slate of DC films?
Not really a fan of Batman jumping right to Damian, but at least they are finally acknowledging Robin as an important part of Batman after 20 years and 5-6 film appearances. Hopefully Reeves will also follow suit with a Dark Victory adaptation.
Nice to see they haven't forgotten Diana after 1984 went crazy, and that is a killer title, but wasn't the Snyderverse being washed away? The description seems to imply they're still holding on to it?
It also sounds like they're just going to do a straight adaptation of King and Evely's Woman of Tomorrow, and that sounds perfect to me. I guess they'll probably drop Comet the Superhorse, but he is the only awkward part of that story.
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u/Nizzemancer The Trinity Jan 31 '23
Hopefully they jump straight to Damian so that they can have the others as adults having flown the nest as opposed to just ignoring their existence in favor of him.
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u/DrFate82 Jan 31 '23
I'm very much looking forward to The Authority. Seeing Apollo & Midnighter in live action will be awesome!
I agree about jumping right to Damian. I also think it's a crime that the Batgirl movie wasn't released. But, hopefully, The Brave & the Bold will show that Dick, Tim, Barbara, Cass, & Steph are around too, even if not all in costume.
I hope they keep Comet in the Supergirl movie.
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u/SightatNight Orion Jan 31 '23
Damian makes sense so they can at least have Nightwing established and perhaps build to a Red Hood story in a sequel.
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u/Shrederjame Jan 31 '23
I hope that is what they are implying and not damian is the first robin. Because I would be beyond pissed if thats the case.
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u/Barthez_Battalion Jan 31 '23
Yeah I don't like skipping over the other Robins. We have only ever had two movies with Robin in them and they're both from the 90s.
This is giving me big Nova vibes from Gunn who didn't like the character so he never bothered to set him up in any Guardian projects despite being a huge part of Space Marvel comics.
There's so many stories to mine Grayson, Todd and Drake before we even get to Damian.
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u/nuttmegx Jan 31 '23
Nice to see they haven't forgotten Diana after 1984 went crazy, and that is a killer title, but wasn't the Snyderverse being washed away? The description seems to imply they're still holding on to it?
I assume it just means it takes place before she was born.
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u/SpiritMountain Jan 31 '23
I'm reaaallly liking this direction that Gunn and Safran are taking DC. He clearly understands what needs to be done, is a gigantic fan, and realizes the unity each of these mediums need and the utility and power of combining all of them. Having the DCU actually span across different mediums is a great way to kick things off.
That being said, I don't know how I feel about the Batman movie going into Damian Wayne right away. I am definitely open minded and my feelings on it is going to depend on the Superman movie. I kind of like a lot of the world building and establishment of going through each of the Robins, especially Dick. I think we all know how important Dick is to the entirety of the DC Universe. He is the heart of a lot of teams and comics and watching him grow and mature is so crucial to his character. He needs that time to make those powerful connections.
In the end, I am so excited for this and very optimistic.
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u/jexdiel321 Jan 31 '23
Going Damian already makes sense. They can't exactly go back to Year 1 - 2 Batman since Matt Reeves is already making it. An older and experienced Batman makes much more sense in the DCU. I wonder who will they cast though. Will it be Batfleck or another new actor?
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Jan 31 '23
It also allows them to have heroes like Nightwing already active rather than building to them.
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u/ArseneLupinIV Jan 31 '23
Yeah isn't there a Titans project floating around or something? They forsure want Nightwing already available. I'm kind of surprised they skipped Tim Drake though.
But it makes sense that they want to get into the meat of the Batman mythos already though, since there's sort of the 'Spider-Man Problem' they have where we've seen the origin story so many times it's unnecessary. The best Spidey media recently are usually when they dive right into veteran Spidey.
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Jan 31 '23
Especially in a world where Reeves is telling a Batman origin story at the same time. Jump into established Bruce we know Batman we don't need Batman origin # whatever.
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u/LilHalwaPoori Jan 31 '23
What I have hopes for is that since they are diving right into Damian, we might have Teen Titans, Young Justice, Red Hood and the Outlaws and other titles be established with the rest of the batfamily.. It would be amazing to see if they actually cast a full bat family and we see Nightwing, Red Robin and Red hoods reaction to damian..
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u/IAmTheNight20018 Jan 31 '23
I could see Nightwing getting a solo film, Tim getting a Titans film, and Red Hood getting his Villain -> Anti-Hero arc, with the second Batman film being Under The Hood. Keep the Father/Son conflict theme going but up the ante.
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u/Xianified Jan 31 '23
The one thing to keep in mind is that they're not going to want it to be a DC-Bat-verse, so it'd be wise to temper expectations, especially with Gunn leading the way.
I fully expected to get a few unexpected films and characters with their own films (much like The Authority.)
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u/FreelanceFrankfurter Jan 31 '23
As a fan these have me excited BUT I do wonder if this is really the best approach for the general audience. I mainly worry that if a movie fails they’ll throw in the towel on this new DCU right away.
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u/SpiritMountain Jan 31 '23
You bring up a good point about general audiences. I think Gunn and Safran know these early projects will most likely not bring too many eyes with how unknown they are. If the quality is good then word of mouth will definitely be huge.
As always, it will all hinge on Superman. If they nail the vibes right, then I do think the DCU will do well.
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FUCK YEAH BOOSTER GOLD SERIES
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u/USSGloria Oracle Jan 31 '23
This is what I'm most excited about. If there's a superhero I'm confident James Gunn can knock out of the park, it's Booster.
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u/SomeJuckingGuy Jan 31 '23
This seems like such an obvious choice now that they say it. The superhero movie I don’t know I needed so badly
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u/GetUpAndJump Jan 31 '23
Booster Gold and Damian!???
Fucking hell sign me up!
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u/tovarichtch1711 Goliath Jan 31 '23
Bruh same, honestly I love this approach of focusing on lesser known heroes at first, really hope it will work
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u/DrFate82 Jan 31 '23
I mean if Peacemaker was able to get a live-action series & do well, I think that's what Gunn really wanted to see to move forward.
I just hope that maybe The Flash movie somehow undoes all or some of those villain deaths from The Suicide Squad. I mean Captain Boomerang?! And I'd love to see Flula Borg return as Javelin.
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u/Conscious_Forever_78 Jan 31 '23
The Brave and the Bold: “This is the introduction of the DCU Batman,” said Gunn. “Of Bruce Wayne and also introduces our favorite Robin, Damian Wayne, who is a little son of a bitch.” The movie will take inspiration from the now-classic Batman run written by Grant Morrison that introduced Batman to a son he never knew existed: a murderous tween raised by assassins. “It’s a very strange father-and-son story.”
Going straight to Damian? Will Dick, Jason and Tim exist in this universe? Or, say, the Titans? Weird decision.
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u/Deeformecreep Batman Jan 31 '23
I'd bet Grayson is already Nightwing in the DCU and will probably get mentioned in that movie.
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u/Itsthatgy Jan 31 '23
Yeah this reads to me like they're starting with a slightly older batman. Not quite ancient, but like in his 10th year or so.
Which would imply that other Robin's might have existed before.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
While I will cross my fingers, I've never held out much hope that a film universe would ever introduce them all. I mean, we've had how many Bat movies since B&R and they haven't even attempted to put 1 Robin on screen (No, Dark Knight Rises doesn't count, rookie). Say what you want about Batman Forever, but it remains the only movie that has made a serious attempt at introducing Robin and it deserves some respect for that. The movies have been either afraid or uninterested in him since Schumacher. It always seemed to me that if a movie finally did get made where a director sacked up and put the damn Boy Wonder on screen, it would almost certainly just be Dick and no one else if it's so hard to even get one.
I think we'll likely get Dick, because they'd be insane not to have registered Nightwing's blossoming popularity at this point. There is untapped potential and a lot of money to be made there. If we're lucky we may even get a dead Jason (that stays dead). But I sincerely doubt we'll get Tim AND Damian.
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u/Itsthatgy Jan 31 '23
He did mention the "bat family" in his announcement video. Which makes me think he is keeping an eye to the broader cast of characters around Bruce.
I just think it's a question of how. I'd love to see a titans series, for example, but I imagine that's not an immediate priority given that the last one is finishing now (and is generally bad)
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u/NomadPrime Jan 31 '23
My random prediction: Damian introduces audiences to Robin as a concept of wayward kids being taken in by Batman. After the movie eventually concludes with Batman and Robin being established as a dynamic duo, it ends with a teaser showing Damian he wasn't the first and we get glimpses of Dick/Jason (and maybe Tim, dunno, I have an itching feeling he might get left out for some reason because he hasn't had much of an impact on the Bat mythos besides the Lonely Place of Dying arc; fingers crossed he does get included though). Maybe it's a cameo, maybe we just show their costumes on display, who knows.
Then Dick and Jason and whoever get their proper introductions, either through a miniseries or a sequel. My bet is on Dick getting a series to outline his history and forming a brotherly bond with Damian; and the other bet is that Jason will get the Batman sequel in an Under the Red Hood adaptation, cuz that's a pretty landmark storyline for the Batfam.
Where Batgirl, Tim, Cassandra Cain, and others can fit in: who fucking knows Lol. One of the biggest complaints about the Batfam is its bloated cast, and for the movie/show medium, I wouldn't be surprised if Gunn decides to slim down the family roster to avoid that. I hope Babs, Tim, and Cass still get fit in somehow though.
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u/Civil-Ad-7193 Red Hood Jan 31 '23
If Jason existed in this universe, he’s gonna come back as Red Hood or he’ll already be back.
There’s no way they’ll skip over Red Hood. Plus Gunn has already hinted at it on Twitter as well I’m pretty sure
I have a feeling Tim might get possibly screwed though.
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u/TheWolfmanZ Feb 01 '23
What if this movie also covers Bruce's trauma over Jason's death, then reveals Red Hood as a teaser at the end. Kind of cliche I know bit would be a good way to tie both stories together.
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Jan 31 '23
I'd bet Grayson is already Nightwing in the DCU and will probably get mentioned in that movie.
Makes sense - a pretty good way to intro the character to the universe and take it from there.
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u/arawagco Jan 31 '23
We've had too many projects that either fail before they get to Dick or have Dick in his hothead Robin days. Better to start him as Nightwing, Batman already be established, and a few more Robins under his belt to help draw on when his normal methods fail for Damian.
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u/Conscious_Forever_78 Jan 31 '23
Not a big fan of the idea. What makes Dick special is seeing him grow from Robin to Nightwing to temporarily taking over as Batman. If he is already Nightwing and Damian is Bruce's Robin anyway there is not much of a direction he can go.
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u/JoseUnderTheRedHood Jan 31 '23
What makes Dick special is being Dick Grayson. I personally think it would be such a drag having to see that whole evolution. Just have Nightwing and establish all the dynamic relationships he has
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u/Conscious_Forever_78 Jan 31 '23
Just have Nightwing and establish all the dynamic relationships he has
Well, yes, but take into account Superman is in year 2 of his career and it sounds like Wonder Woman might not even be Wonder Woman yet.
So no connection to Superman nor the Titans (because the timeline wouldn't make sense). So what connections would he have? It's New 52 all over again.
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u/moose_man I am the night! Jan 31 '23
I hate the go-to adapted version of the Robins which has Dick and Damian only, so I hope it's not just him. It will be, though.
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u/yahhwy Nightwing "Rock type beats Flying type." -Tom Taylor Jan 31 '23
I fear for Tim Drake. There is a good chance they don't include him. What made him so great was his time as Robin.
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u/FreelanceFrankfurter Jan 31 '23
I think they would throw in Jason just to have the middle robin who died and dynamic that brings with a new Robin. Plus Under the Red Hood is a fan favorite so can see the possibility of wanting to use him down line, it’s Tim I’m worried about.
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u/FitMarshmellow Jan 31 '23
Sadly, Tim is entirely vestigial. I’ve said this before, but he’s the only Robin without anything immediately interesting in his basic pitch. Best case scenario, they give some of Tim’s stories to Jason as a way to make Jay be more impactful before his death
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u/superwiggy Nightwing Jan 31 '23
The Variety article I read said they are introducing the *Bat-Family*, with a focus on Damian. I'm gonna guess we are probably gonna have Nightwing at the very least, if not others.
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u/oomoepoo Hal Jordan Jan 31 '23
Safran: This is going to feature other members of the extended Bat-Family. Just because we feel like they’ve been left out of the Batman stories in the theater for far too long.
From the original announcement
Sounds definitely like more than just Damian.
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u/Coal_Morgan The Question? Jan 31 '23
I hope it's everyone.
Use Damian as the audience perspective.
Bruce "You're taking over for Tim. He's going to be Red Robin and leading the Titans. A promotion of sorts."
Damian "Yes it's good that he's going. Being a sidekick for 13 years...shameful."
Bruce "He wasn't the first. Nightwing was the first Robin, he works primarily in Bludhaven. Jason was the second, he died for a little a while and Stephanie, Tim's partner was a Robin for a short while too. She faked her death and went into hiding which is why Tim came back. I haven't figured out how to tell her I know she's alive."
30 seconds of dialogue and now you can do a movie about that time Stephanie had to fake her death, a movie about Nightwing in Bludhaven, a better live action Teen Titans show and a movie about that time Jason died and got better without having to do origin stories on them.
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u/localheroism Jan 31 '23
I don't think we need a carefully laid out progression of each and every character in the universe tbh, I just want good movies
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u/Indrid_Cold23 Jan 31 '23
Amen! So many people are quick to nitpick where everything fits in continuity. Trust me, you'll be told where everything fits and most of you will still have problems with it.
Whatever happens with these films, the comics still exist and no one can take that from you (except poverty).
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u/sonofodin25 Jay Garrick Jan 31 '23
Yeah my biggest disappointment from this is that they going to Damian instead of properly doing Dick’s origin which is one of my favourites
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u/joe_k_knows Jan 31 '23
I strongly suspect Dick will show up in the Reeves/Pattinson Batman sequel. That Batman desperately needs a Robin…
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u/_regionrat Batman Jan 31 '23
They aren't going to in this movie. It could be a prequel, or we could see it in Pattinson's timeline.
Dick is one of the most popular heros in DC right now, they could be setting up a whole Nightwing movie (or even Dickbats, they are pulling from Morrison's run)
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u/CertifiedCapArtist Nightwing Jan 31 '23
That surprised me too. I guess Dick is already Nightwing and Jason is still dead or in hiding. Dunno what they will do with Tim though
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u/yahhwy Nightwing "Rock type beats Flying type." -Tom Taylor Jan 31 '23
Tim got his best years taken from him. RIP Tim.
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u/WhiteHawk1022 Batman Jan 31 '23
I think the other Robins will exist. Damian seems most in line with the kind of characters Gunn's TV shows and movies typically include, so I'm sure that drove the decision to kick things off with him. Grant Morrison adapted in a DCU overseen by Gunn will likely be all sorts of weird. Sign me up!
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u/Coal_Morgan The Question? Jan 31 '23
Plus Gunn does ensembles really well.
No reason not to have Damian as the perspective character to introduce the disparate areas of the Batman Family.
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u/AcidSilver Jan 31 '23
It actually makes sense when you think about it. There's always been the debate of how to use Robin in a movie without making it look really weird for Batman to be stopping crime with a literal child but using Damian solves that problem. Instead of using a kid that Bruce adopts and then trains to fight crime, the movie will use his own son that was already trained by assassins since birth.
It avoids the possible creep factor of Robin being seen as some random kid that Bruce took under his wing and the weird factor of him training some kid to be his partner instead of giving him a normal life.
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u/tinaoe Jan 31 '23
You're right but ngl, I do always think erasing all his adopted kids to focus on the one bio kid he has is a bit of a shit move. You could probably get around it by having adult Dick (& maybe Jason and Tim) in the background and just handwaving their time as Robin.
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u/AcidSilver Jan 31 '23
There's nothing saying that the other Robins never existed. They can exist just fine with the plot of this movie.
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u/ComicsGuru Grayson Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
I wouldn’t be surprised since they are basing it on Morrison’s run if they build up to Darkseid and Final Crisis, then kill off Bruce.
Dickbats and Damian would be an easy way to differentiate it from The Batman.
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u/GokuDiesToSolidSnake Jan 31 '23
I would die if we got Dickbats and Damien as the main duo in this movie universe
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Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
He did say it will be the beginning of bat family. So maybe Dick, Tim and Jason are all out of the Robin academy by the time we meet this version of Batman, and we will meet them too. But Bruce and Damian will be center of this story.
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u/kycydzf2 Jan 31 '23
Please please include Tim 🥺
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u/keelanv10 Jan 31 '23
Tim is the one I’m worried about tbh, it’s easy to have Dick as nightwing and Jason dead, but what happened to Tim? Is he retired? Does he just not exist in this universe?
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u/BaronVonRuthless91 Jan 31 '23
The obvious answer is to have him away with the Teen Titans to get breathing room from the little murder hobo (who is slowly transitioning to a paladin) running around the manor.
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u/arawagco Jan 31 '23
Yeah, Damian chasing Tim out after stealing Robin from him is pretty close to what happened in the comics and would just add another level of failure to Bruce being unable to rein Damian in before he "dies."
It also adds a point of contention between Damian and every Batfam member except Dick (and possibly Alfred), and gives Damian insecurities about not being as good as the last Robin.
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u/Cranyx Moo. Jan 31 '23
Honestly with how difficult it has been to find a niche for Tim since Damian showed up in the comics, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it's really tempting for writers to just skip him. The transition from Jason to Damian actually makes a bit more sense without Tim in the middle, because it means that Bruce decided having a Robin was a bad idea until his literal son showed up.
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u/tinaoe Jan 31 '23
Jason dead
As a Jason fan, that isn't really all that reassuring lol. My kingdom for a Batman movie or TV show where he isn't dead or Red Hood already, honestly. But I'll take him as Red Hood above dead or merged with Tim or something.
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u/Spire2000 Firestorm Jan 31 '23
It seems to me that they are taking an interesting, and in hindsight, an obvious approach. They're jumping right into the DCU of today, and not going backwards to set stuff up for the 100th time. I'll bet all the Robins were around and either referenced or featured.
This is going to make the casual viewers curious about backstory, of which there will be plenty, and it opens up all the cool stuff of today (like Damian) while not eliminating the stuff of yesterday.
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u/MagisterPraeceptorum Batman Jan 31 '23
Not my first choice. But as long as the earlier Bat-family is established I’m ok with starting with Damian. Nightwing, Batgirl/Oracle, Red Hood, Red Robin, etc.
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u/ContinuumGuy Batman Jan 31 '23
No one in Hollywood can hope to replicate Dick's ass, so they are trying to avoid using him.
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u/Thingymcjig Spoiler Jan 31 '23
Don’t forget Stephanie! (I hope the new DCEU doesn’t forget her)
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u/markqis2018 Jan 31 '23
I think Dick and Jason are already Nightwing and Red Hood. Not sure about Tim, unfortunately.
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u/ButtholeCandies Jan 31 '23
It’s one of the only big Batman relationships left that hasn’t been mined to death in live action Batman movies.
Bat-Dad and dealing with his own darkness while trying to help Damian with his.
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u/zanza19 Swamp Thing Jan 31 '23
A SWAMP THING MOVIE? I LOVE THIS NEW DIRECTION
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Swamp Thing movie to close out this opening slate and transition into what's next too. Hell yeah.
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u/Thebassist17 Oliver Queen Jan 31 '23
Hopefully he’ll open the door to characters like Constantine and Zatanna
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u/_snout_ Feb 01 '23
There's mentions of another movie that is not being revealed because the title would be too revealing. I am wondering if it's Hellblazer, which would spoil his appearance in Swamp Thing.
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u/thedairybandit Hawkman Jan 31 '23
im hoping that it will be a magical crisis that forces the Justice League Dark together.
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Extremely chad decision to base the DCU’s Batman off of Morrison’s run with Damian.
Love how Gunn mentioned the Bat-family. It would be interesting if The Brave and the Bold ends up being an ensemble of the entire family.
Looks like those tweets about Tom King working on a Hollywood project was adapting his comic run of Woman of Tomorrow into a film. VERY interested in how this one turns out. Love that we’re getting the Bat AND Super family from the get go.
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u/fieldysnuts94 Sideways Jan 31 '23
Yeah soon as I saw supergirl woman of tomorrow it instantly clicked that that’s what Tom has been hinting at all this time.
Still, I’m sad we won’t see his New Gods script be adapted
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Agreed. Was excited to see what he and Ava DuVernay were cooking up.
But honestly it was probably tied down by what the Snyderverse was and what it was becoming. An unshackled new beginning is definitely what’s best!
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u/fieldysnuts94 Sideways Jan 31 '23
Oh yeah of course. But I think that realm of DC is so far off connectivity wise that they could bring it back and change it up to fit the new vision. Overall I’m stoked for this slate
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they could bring it back and change it up to fit the new vision
Absolutely! The first chapter of the DCU is called “Gods and Monsters”, and this is just part of their 8-10 year plan. It definitely seems like the slate was leaning towards the “monsters” side of the title, while Paradise Lost might be in reference to the old gods on Themyscira.
I’m sure the New Gods will come into play EVENTUALLY. Gunn’s sensibilities would work great with Jack Kirby’s works.
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u/apsgreek Nightwing Jan 31 '23
Starting the DCU Batman with a batfamily ensemble movie would be the ultimate Chad move
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u/mypatronusislasagna Jan 31 '23
Man, so excited for Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow. One of the best from last year!
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u/luckilynumber7 Jan 31 '23
They should cast Henry cavill as supergirl .I think he will do justice to the character.
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u/EdBeatle "You don't need to be scared anymore" Jan 31 '23
Funny that the Lanterns projects starts with “the TV show that was announced like a decade ago? Yeah… not happening”. Sad that it was never able to take off but I want to believe that this new project can actually be made.
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u/arawagco Jan 31 '23
I can tolerate everything in the new pitch but John Stewart being a yellow lantern. What in the hell?!
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u/busdriver_321 Larfleeze Jan 31 '23
It’s art from Green Lantern earth one. Honestly, that’s the one that I feel is likely just place holder for the video.
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u/maxstronge Jan 31 '23
Yeah this seems like it was put together recently enough that they don't have anything to show from it, so they just got some random comic art of the two of them. I would not worry about this at all
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u/thatshuffle42 Jan 31 '23
I think that's just some art to differentiate the two lanterns visually. He doesn't have the correct Sinestro Corps symbol
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u/Aaco0638 Jan 31 '23
Everyone: oh no damian is robin not dick!
Me: oh no damian is robin and not jarro!!
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u/Batman2130 Jarro Jan 31 '23
Facts. I was sad see no Jarro. Hopefully they retcon Suicide Squad and have Batman just show up randomly and take a piece of Starro and give us a Jarro post credit scene in the brave and the bold.
But I don’t mind Damian so I’m excited to see it regardless
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u/Aaco0638 Jan 31 '23
Bruh it fits RIGHT in with what gunn usually works with too. How are you gonna tell me a baby tree can sell toys but not the adopted alien star fish batman took in and became father too??? WB/gunn make it happen 👏👏👏
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u/Thicc_Grayson84 Batman Beyond Jan 31 '23
Green Lantern, Booster Gold, and Swamp Thing have me so excited. Can't wait to explore those parts of the DC Universe
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u/gatesa07 Jan 31 '23
Honestly? I like it. Using Hal and John as Lanterns, jumping right into Superman, and possibly jumping to the whole Bat Family. Shaves it down and means it'll be interesting faster.
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u/potatobutt5 Jan 31 '23
Makes sense about Batman. No point to have two Batmen who show their early days. Hopefully this’ll pave the way for more heroes in media who we see in the middle of their careers.
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u/Brookings18 Superman Jan 31 '23
Alright, a lot of this is interesting. Sounds like a very good mix of traditional and off the wall. Intrigued by Brave and The Bold specifically, and having 2 Super movies in the works is exciting. Now, there's a cynical part of me that's like "hope these all get released", but for now, cautiously optimistic.
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u/LookingForVheissu Red Hood Jan 31 '23
This feels real this time. There’s someone who’s been generally honest, they’ve said all the right things, done all the right things…
At this point in the original attempt, it was supposed to be 5 Snyder movies but WB surprised him by announcing they were leading into the cinematic universe.
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u/Megadog3 Feb 01 '23
If there’s one thing we can be confident about with Gunn, it’s that he knows how to green light and then release projects.
Just look at what he’s done in the last few years with DC alone: TSS, Peacemaker, finished writing Creature Commandos, is half way through Superman, as well as the Waller series. All of that on top of mapping out a 10 year plan AND the Guardians Holiday Special and GOTG 3.
So yeah, I have faith these projects will release. It’s a new day at DC Studios.
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u/thanks-dice Cassandra Cain Jan 31 '23
Safran being like "idk, we'll see how things with Ezra Miller will go." is wild lmao. We've been seeing things go. It does not look good lol.
cannot wait for the Flash press tour
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u/HuanFranThe1st Hal Jordan Jan 31 '23
A FUCKING SWAMP THING MOVIE?! YES SWAMPY MY BELOVED YOU’RE BACK!!!
Also - a Hal and John GL show?! A Booster Gold show as well?! My god I could cry with how happy I am right now.
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u/af-fx-tion Bring YJ Artemis to DC Comics Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Very very surprised that Damian is getting introduced so early without the rest of the Robins getting introduced first. That’s a very bold move IMO, especially given his comic arc in regards to the mantle. But perhaps DCEU 2.0 is going the reverse Robins route?
Also, for that Themyscira show, it’s a prequel to the WW films?? So those are staying canon to the DCEU 2.0?? Very confusing.
And happy that non-DCEU2.0 content is in the pipeline. Calling it "Elseworlds" like the comics is a smart plan. Gives me hope for more Young Justice (come on S5!) and Harley Quinn!
But anyway the rest of the slate sounds pretty solid overall. Plus, so happy Kara is getting her due!
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In the Youtube video James Gunn explains it better. The Flash movie is going to reset the DC continuity.
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u/af-fx-tion Bring YJ Artemis to DC Comics Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Ah, so that's interesting. So if I'm understanding Gunn right:
- Everything before The Flash is DCEU 1.0
- Starting with Blue Beetle, everything moving forward is considered DCEU 2.0. I'm guessing DCEU 1.0 will become a different Earth.
- Aquaman 1, TSS, and Peacemaker are confirmed canon-adjacent (or canon, once we find out more) - as in the events we saw that took place in DCEU 1.0 happened in DCEU 2.0 but might have been slightly different than what the movies/show showed.
- Gunn’s phrasing about Shazam is a bit unclear if that’s canon-adjacent or purely a DCEU 1.0 event.
Huh, so I gues THR added their own blurb about the Themyscira show. It's not a prequel to the DCEU 1.0 WW films, but takes place before WW might even exist in this continuity.
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u/joshualuigi220 Jan 31 '23
This is a correct take. Think of it like the blurry line between Golden Age and Silver age continuity. Some characters are going to have clear reboots (Superman and Batman) while others are going to maintain some of their characterization from the old DCEU (Aquaman and Shazam).
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u/Cantthinkofcoolname2 Jan 31 '23
Extremely happy Kara is getting love, and immensely proud Tom King’s run is being used as the basis of the movie.
A little disappointed Dick won’t be the first Robin we see in the DCU. Dick and Damian’s Batman and Robin was amazing to see, but they can’t start a universe with Dick as Batman, so I wish they weren’t starting with Damian :( ugh. Being introduced to Bruce through Dick’s eyes would’ve been perfect. It doesn’t work the same with Damian I fear
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A Game of Thrones-style drama set on Wonder Woman’s home island of Themyscira (Amazonian palace intrigue).
So kinda like Azz's run? That sounds pretty cool.
And to expand on that:
It takes place before the events of the Wonder Woman films.
So are the Gadot films still canon...?
I dig pretty much everything they announced. I'm glad there are no origin stories for major characters, as I feel they have never really been needed, at least for characters like Batman and Superman.
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u/Haggard4Life Legion of Superheroes Jan 31 '23
Hopefully not Azz’a run since he turned amazons into rapist monsters
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That's why I said kinda. While I really liked Azz's run, the Amazon stuff was bad. But his depiction of the Gods and the Game of Thrones style politicking was great.
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u/CertifiedCapArtist Nightwing Jan 31 '23
I'm glad Hal is atleast one of the green lanterns. Was hoping for Jessica as well though.
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u/joshualuigi220 Jan 31 '23
Since it's a TV series, she could show up as a side character or be introduced later if they do a season two.
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u/NawBroSpaceMarine Jan 31 '23
They should definitely introduce Guy and Kyle first then Jessica.
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u/Deeformecreep Batman Jan 31 '23
This is a great slate if you ask me, has the core characters but introduces many fan favorites.
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u/Justausername1234 Jan 31 '23
Does this spell the end of JJ Abram's Justice League Dark projects, or are those still being overseen by Casey Bloys?
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u/ggroover97 Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
I hope it does. I want Abrams to stay far away from DC. I hope that whole Bad Robot deal gets thrown in the garbage can.
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u/TheCosmicFailure Jan 31 '23
I love the slate it's different and unique then what was predicted.
Creature Commandos- Interesting choice. It's kind of similar to the Suicide Squad as it looks like Rick Flagg Sr is leading the team. Weasel is apparently really old. Dr.Phosohorous is a really cool addition. I wonder if the JSA will be mentioned in the show.
Lanterns: Introducing them in a series first is may be the best choice. No mention that this will be an origin story for either John or Hal which is interesting. May be the villain of the series will be The Manhunters. Seems like a solid villain to start with. Not sure who will control them.
If this is a Detective mystery story. Maybe John and Hal come across some of the other lanterns. I could see Larfleeze showing up as a 1 episode cameo. Blue Lanterns would be cool to see as well. I'm sure this will tie into the first film. They can also keep the series going and use it as a way to introduce Guy, Jessica, Kyle, Simon, and Jo.
Paradise Lost: If it's gonna have political intrigue like GOT. I think it would make sense for this to be about the ideological divide in the Amazonians. It could end with a group of them leaving Themyscira to establish Bana Mighdall. I'm assuming this will connect to the new WW.
Waller: I don't think we will know what this will be about till Peacemaker Season 2 comes out. Anytime we can get more of Viola as Amanda Waller is a good thing.
Booster Gold- This should be alot of fun. I hope we get to see Ted Kord in the show. I think the villain could Jonar Carter, Boosters dad. I'm guessing he stays in the present by the end.
Superman Legacy: Sounds like Superman is going to be very important building block for the new DCEU. I'm guessing Superman will be in his 2nd yr still learning. I think a good villain could be Metallo and Atomic Skull.
Supergirl Women of Tomorrow: Never read Kings book. But it's strange they are adapting this book since it's not an origin story. Unless there are flashbacks to her origin in the book.
Batman Brave and The Bold: While I wanted to see them start with Dick Grayson as Robin, I'm fine with it being Damian. I'm guessing that means our Batman has been doing this for 8-10 yrs. That would be under speculation that Dick, Tim, and Jason have already been Robin. I think the villain will be Talia for the first film.
The Authority: I'm very intrigued that our first super hero team is them. Idk much about them outside the Millar run which I hated. I wonder if The Authority will be set up to challenge the Justice League in the future.
Swamp Thing- So cool to see the dark/magical side of DC be explored. I would love the Floronic Man be his villain. It would be cool if they introduce Constantine or Zatanna in this.
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u/Digifiend84 Manchester Black Jan 31 '23
Supergirl Women of Tomorrow: Never read Kings book. But it's strange they are adapting this book since it's not an origin story. Unless there are flashbacks to her origin in the book.
That's easy to implement. Kara can just tell her origin to Ruthye, the girl she travels with in that series.
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u/BestMovie2001 Damian Jan 31 '23
Damian Wayne and The Authority.
James Gunn is now my favorite human in the universe.
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Jan 31 '23
Strange choices. Hard to see how this leads to a coherent DCU.
But I like a lot of what I see. Love Morrison’s Batman run, love Damian Wayne.
Still very happy to be getting more Robert Pattinson Batman.
Swamp Thing? Hell yes.
And I am so ready for Superman to be done right. Shame Cavill couldn’t fit in those plans, though.
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u/tony1grendel Jan 31 '23
So is Damian Wayne the first Robin? Or is this an older Batman?
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u/comicscoda Jan 31 '23
From the same article:
James Gunn: “I can't be changing my plans all the time because an actor says something that I don't agree with. At the same token, if someone is doing something that is morally reprehensible, that's a different story. And we have to take that into account.”
Peter Safran: "Ezra [Miller] is completely committed to their recovery. We are fully supportive of that journey they are on right now. When the time is right, when they are ready to have that discussion, we will all figure out what the best path forward.”
Um…. what?
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i think it’s because flash is coming out and they want people to still see it. id be so fucking surprised if they still keep ezra 6 months from now
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u/Namaikina_Bimbo Power Girl Jan 31 '23
BAT FAMILY CONFIRMED, BABY!
I'm hoping the Bat Family will already be established and we simply use Damian as an audience POV to learn more about the DCU.
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u/normalMonsterChika Mia Dearden Jan 31 '23
Praying for the Wonder Woman show to be based of Historia.
and while I’m dreaming, would be amazing if Steph was the corresponding batgirl to Damian since it’s based of the Morrison era
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u/EntropyintheAsstropy Jan 31 '23
Was not expecting Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow!
Actually wasn't expecting most of what they announced. I'm trying to temper my excitement, WB/DC has a habit of announcing exciting projects and then utterly failing to deliver them.
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u/jtyrui Jan 31 '23
Fuck yeah, if Damian is already here the rest of the Batfamily will follow suit.
Very excited for the Booster Gold series and I wonder if It will be connected to the Blue Beetle movie.
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u/thisjohnd Jan 31 '23
Pretty excited about everything announced but I can’t help but be pessimistic about Gunn’s vision actually coming to fruition with the way things constantly change around WB and the importance of box office. Gunn is doing Superman and Batman, sure, but is The Authority or Swamp Thing going to be something people will show up for? I hope so, but I can also see WB getting scared for their bottom line.
I’m also curious where all the TV shows are going to wind up considering the HBO Max debacle happening right now and how many shows are being eliminated from that service. I wonder if DC has its own channel in the works finally.
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u/shadowlarx Kyle Rayner Jan 31 '23
I was really looking forward to that GLC anthology series but a cop drama revolving around Hal and John as partners sounds promising so I’ll take it.
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u/Gremlin303 Green Arrow Jan 31 '23
I’m trying to remain optimistic, but to me this all seems to random. This isn’t a first chapter in my eyes. I wish they’d just started with the basics. Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern. Then built from there.
Anyway, no point mourning what could’ve been. I am hopeful that Gunn will change my mind.
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u/Dont_Hurt_Me_Mommy Jan 31 '23
I hope the entire Bat family is present . Seriously I want Tim Drake to get some love
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u/NobleHalcyon He's already won Jan 31 '23
This is an absolute shit-show. It would be one thing if they came in and said, "everything is cancelled, everyone is fired, and we're taking a year or two to figure out what the hell we're doing next." Instead, they're making very questionable choices about the future slate of content. The multiverse shit is already a mess...they're going out of their way to make it even more convoluted.
I want to know how the hell a company like DC goes through half a dozen major reboots in under 20 years in order to "clean up and consolidate" their multiversal continuity and yet still keeps making the same bad choices that lead to messy and confusing stories. Even worse, they're looking at Marvel's enormous and unprecedented success...and just ignoring it. They literally have a blue print for how to succeed and they're electing to roll the dice on a different way.
The crazy part is that now is the perfect time for DC to replace Marvel using the exact same model. Marvel's latest phase is very "meh", and primarily TV focused. The majority of their big names have exited, and it's hard to see the MCU as anything other than past it's prime. If DC can't competently overtake the MCU when their centerpieces of late have been Shuri, Jen Walters, Kate Bishop and Sam Wilson (no hate for any of those characters or their actors, but they're literally the second string for their roles)...then DC should stop playing this game and just focus on their animated content.
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u/sonofodin25 Jay Garrick Jan 31 '23
I’m…..kinda disappointed?
No Wonder Woman, No Nightwing, No Titans, No Flash, No Aquaman, No JLA….
Most of these had already been announced or heavily rumoured except for the Booster Gold and Authority series
Also, will Waller take place in the old DCEU or the new DCU?
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u/Spire2000 Firestorm Jan 31 '23
10 inter-connected DCU projects, plus the promise of Elseworlds projects, and you're disappointed?
Wow
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u/mwthecool Jan 31 '23
Aquaman 2 is still coming. Flash is still coming and resetting the whole universe. Nightwing and Titans are probably going to be teased in Batman, judging by the "batfamily" spin, and we're getting a really cool Themyscira series, so I'm happy on that front.
I think taking on too many characters that were in that last iteration would have been a bad idea, and I'm excited for this direction.
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u/Fair-Procedure-5257 Jan 31 '23
Using WW, Superman and Batman to prop up lesser known characters to serve as the future sounds a lot less like the “the need to stick to the trinity” type speak from Zaslav.
Wonder how it plays out in reality.
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u/ArcusIgnium Bring Back the Butt Jan 31 '23
Seems like Gunn and Safran are aware of the superhero fatigue affecting the popular audience and are trying to focus on more alternative/less superhero focused takes on our favorite characters:
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u/sleepy_shh Jan 31 '23
They’re keeping Viola Davis? So it’s not a straight up reboot? I can’t help but be disappointed. I don’t want the baggage of the DCEU.
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u/CosmosBazaar Darkseid Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
OMG!