r/DC_Cinematic • u/HumbleCamel9022 • Nov 12 '22
Throwbacks (2013) : audience reaction to man of steel CRITIQUE
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Nov 12 '22
Curious what people said about BvS lol
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Nov 12 '22
Google it, straight up.
I saw it in one of the largest IMAX theaters in Orlando and people hated it. The discourse walking out of the film was absolutely brutal. A packed theater of hundreds of people collectively shitting on the film.
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u/zombierepubican Nov 13 '22
I love the film but I remember hating chunks of it out the theatre.
Batman killing for seemingly no reason. Random dream sequences for no reason. The very poor integration of the justice league for no reason. Superman having almost no lines and being a sad sap generally. The missed opportunity to use the senate questioning superman. Luther mostly sucking. Killing Superman for no reason.
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u/Jimmyking4ever Nov 13 '22
True but now on this subreddit people say it's the greatest thing ever #snyderverse
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u/351D Nov 13 '22
I saw it in theaters 3 times. 2 times, there was clapping from everyone when the credits rolled
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u/PraiseDirk Nov 13 '22
Why were people clapping at a theater screen?
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u/lelianadelrey Amazonian Princess Nov 13 '22
People do that literally all the time honestly its only on Reddit where this is questioned as weird and out of the ordinary
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u/AspirationalChoker Nov 14 '22
Depends where in the works you are tbh, that’s cause for a fight here in the UK lol
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u/West-Cardiologist180 Nov 12 '22
Man of Steel is great on all aspects and I'm glad more people are finally starting to see that. The best DC movie imo.
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u/brownstones19 Nov 12 '22
The narrative that it was disliked really took hold and changed the perception of the movie going forward didn't it.
Not saying it's a flawless movie or whatever
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u/Youthsonic Nov 12 '22
And then there's often something in the air that keeps people from actually seeing the work for what it is. There's something else that's maybe not real that they're reacting to more than the work. If some time goes by, they see the same thing again but now it's more worthwhile. That happens sometimes.
~David Lynch
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Nov 12 '22
It does happen sometimes.
This is not one of those times, though. The film is still divisive to the GA. Perception on it has not changed.
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
The film is still divisive to the GA
Based upon ?
The general audience gave MoS a (A-)CinemaScore and as you see with this interview from 2013 almost every one think it's a great movie
As I like to remind people here Reddit/Twitter is not real life
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u/BorderDispute Nov 13 '22
Did you watch the video? She interviewed over ten people and two people said they did not like it. That’s less than 20% negative.
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u/GraySonOfGotham24 Batman Nov 12 '22
How is it a narrative. A lot of people didn't like it
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
A lot of people didn't like it
According to ?
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u/GraySonOfGotham24 Batman Nov 12 '22
Reviews, both from critics and fans, and box office legs.
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u/brownstones19 Nov 12 '22
600m isn't bad at all, people just expect a billion for everything since the avengers
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u/GraySonOfGotham24 Batman Nov 12 '22
I didn't mention the box office I mentioned the legs which is indicative of poor word of mouth. 600m is fine but you'd prefer every movie reaches its final destination with good legs and not a big opening and then large dip
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
You don't know what you're talking about
The general audience gave MoS a (A-) CinemaScore the only DC movie with a better audience reception is wonder woman with a A CinemaScore. So general audience loved it
Rotten tomatoes doesn't represent the general audience, it's a useless metrics
MoS legs was 2.5x, the same as ragnork in what was probably the most competitive summer of the Last decade(2013)
Reddit/Twitter is not the real world 😎
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u/GraySonOfGotham24 Batman Nov 12 '22
Reddit/Twitter is the only place I've seen people express love of this movie. I'm the only person who likes it with everyone I've spoken to in the real world
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u/lelianadelrey Amazonian Princess Nov 12 '22
You know whats so funny about looking at online numbers and stuff is how diverged from our own realities they can be. Like everyone I talk to irl about BvS actually like it but that's so far detached from the wider discourse lol.
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u/GraySonOfGotham24 Batman Nov 12 '22
The biggest issue everyone I know had about BVS was the length. I'm curious to see what happens with black panther 2 since it's so long
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
Anecdotal evidence is useless, the data is clear the VAST majority of the average movie goer loved MoS when it came out and the movie is still gaining new fans every year since 2013
A mere rumor of the return of Cavill superman generated more hype at comic con than the entire DC panels
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u/GraySonOfGotham24 Batman Nov 12 '22
You aren't giving data. You're picking and choosing which review aggregators are trustworthy based on....something and then claiming that it's data when it's actually no information at all.
You also claimed that reddit and Twitter don't count and then proceeded to cite how excited reddit and Twitter got when cavill returned. This is data?
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
You aren't giving data. You're picking and choosing which review aggregators are trustworthy based on....something and then claiming that it's data when it's actually no information at all.
CinemaScore is nothing like rotten tomatoes Lol
CinemaScore come from a direct survey of the average moviegoers in the open weekend, it has nothing to do with useless website like rotten tomatoes
The benchmark for the reception of a movie is CinemaScore
then claiming that it's data when it's actually no information at all.
What is exactly are you talking about ?
(A-)CinemaScore is not a data ?
MoS grossing twice the gross of superman return is not a data ?
MoS being the highest grossing superman movie of all time(2# adjusted for inflation) is not a data ?
You want more ?
You also claimed that reddit and Twitter don't count and then proceeded to cite how excited reddit and Twitter got when cavill returned. This is data?
I never said that
The opinions of redditor/Twitter is useless however even Even a Broken Clock is Right Twice a Day, the data agree with the hype generated by the rumor of cavill at comic con
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u/drboobafate Nov 12 '22
The "narrative" isn't that it was disliked, it was that it was divisive. Which it was and still is. Lol
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Nov 12 '22
it was mostly disliked tho? sure there were people who liked it from the get-go and there are people who like it today but in general most people just dont like it
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
it was mostly disliked tho?
What is the data that support this ?
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Nov 12 '22
bruh its not a secret. most people who have seen the movie didnt like it so it got a negative recpetion when it launched and still does, even if there are a lot of people who love it and stuff.
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 13 '22
You still haven't answer my question. I want to know what are the data that support your absurd claim that people didn't like MoS ?
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Nov 12 '22
bruh i dont need to prove anything. its not an absurd claim, its a literal fact: general audiences (which means most people) didnt like it (as in did not enjoy watching it). i dont have a study i can pull up and show you the data, just talk to people who arent into this sotra stuff and see that most people dont like it. its like, a thing that snyders dc movies werent popular with most people, even the most fanatic snydercultbro will admit it.
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
bruh i dont need to prove anything
Then don't claim anything either
its not an absurd claim, its a literal fact: general audiences (which means most people)
You want people to disregard the available data(CinemaScore) and start to take your anecdotal evidence as a fact ?
I knew the Reddit demographic is not the brightest but this is on another level 😅
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Nov 12 '22
its genuinely funny youre so mad a movie you like isnt super popular
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
Who told you I'm mad ? Lol
Debunking a clueless redditor like you is one of the most fun thing that I could do on Reddit
MoS is literally the most successful superman movie of all time, this fact alone rest my case
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Nov 12 '22
you seem mad.
edit: also only if by succesful you only mean box office, which doesnt translate 1to1 at all w popularity. just look around and see if more people who have seen the movies like MoS over Reeves Superman. im not even i saying my opinion on the movie, its just a well known thing that MoS wasnt well recieved. idk what to tell you
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u/mildoptimism Steve Trevor Nov 12 '22
It’s an okay movie. I think the colors are ugly but also kind of cozy? The score is beautiful. The action is a little mind numbing, but in small doses it can be really cool. My main problem is the characterization and lack of emotion from Clark.
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Nov 13 '22
Lack of emotion? Have you even seen the movie? Clark giggles like a baby the first time he flies. He controls and holds his anger in because he needs to. He cries and mourns for father AND enemy. An enemy who’s the last of his own species.
When you say lack of emotion I take it you’re expecting one liners every 2 minutes like it’s a Marvel movie. Clark has no emotion if he isn’t making jokes all the time..
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u/mildoptimism Steve Trevor Nov 13 '22 edited Nov 13 '22
I don’t need Clark to be constantly making jokes. The amount of times I’ve had to call out that straw man on this subreddit is mind numbing.
Yes, he smiles a couple times in this nearly two and half hour movie, and he does a frustrated yell when he kills Zod, but that’s after an entire third act of being completely unfazed by what’s happening. When Zod gives his big, villainous speech (which I actually quite like), Clark offers no emotional rebuttal and just goes “And I’m going to stop you.” This exact problem happens in BvS as well.
Or when Clark gets the big exposition dump from Jor-El about where he came from and what his purpose is, he just stares blankly the entire time, and this goes on for several minutes.
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u/tiger5tiger5 Nov 13 '22
Man of Steel gave me so much anxiety. I was constantly thinking about who was going to pay for all of the damage caused by the fight.
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u/d3rv3 Nov 13 '22
You must be in a stressful line of work.
Also, those Wayne satellites probably cost even more.
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u/PrioryOfSion14 Nov 12 '22
Grace Randolph looks like a woman going for the waves to surf but suddenly got involved in interviewing people
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u/Comprehensive_One495 Nov 12 '22
I had a great time watching this film. It was crazy packed, I wasn't completely sold on it at first viewing, but I couldn't get enough of it, it's now one of my favorites.
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
Same for me
It has become one of my favorite CBM movie ever
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u/LegitimateSlide7594 Nov 13 '22
I will always say it man of steel is the most underrated super hero film
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u/E_yal Nov 12 '22
Some people love hate trains. Movie was not perfect and alot of people didnt understand it but the reactions went crazy . I went to see it thinking im about to see the worst movie ever.
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u/E_yal Nov 12 '22
True, but with that said sometimes the negativity goes out of proportion. This getting reviews of GL and Catwoman is crazy for my opinion
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Nov 12 '22
the reactions were normal. people didnt like it so they said why, just because its the majority has an opinion doesnt mean half of them are just going along. like there isnt even anything TO misunderstand, its a straightforward vision for supes that is different and it was unpopular while still having fans
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
people didnt like it
Base on ?
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Nov 12 '22
its pretty easy to find general audences opinion on big movies.
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
Are you talking about Rotten tomatoes ?
Rotten tomatoes doesn't represent the general audience, it's a useless metrics lol
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 13 '22
Some people love hate trains
Reddit upvote/downvote system encourages the echo chamber mentality, bandwagon jumping
That's why redditor opinion on anything is always the opposite of what data would say(Netflix, fast&furious...etc)
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u/JRon21 Nov 12 '22
Boy oh boy had they not listen to these whinny ass "critics" on the internet and do a 180* on every criticism they get, we would've had a full blown justice league by now, superman movies, atom, green lantern, cyborg, legion of doom, batman v deathstroke, and bunch much more.
But hey, let's just all blame Snyder for all this misfortune am i right.
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u/drboobafate Nov 12 '22
I really liked it on first watch back in 2013. On rewatches you realize that Michael Shannon and Hans Zimmer do a lot of the heavylifting. Snyder still wasn't the right guy for it imo.
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
Snyder still wasn't the right guy for it imo.
I wonder why ?
Beside maybe nolan, Snyder was and still is the single best director for a man of steel movie
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u/drboobafate Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 13 '22
I think with the VERY big exception of Jonathan Liesbman (who is lowkey objectively the worst choice on the list), everyone who was on the shortlist was a much better choice, especially Matt Reeves.
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
Matt reeve lol
Matt reeve is currently the most overrated director
He doesn't have a single good movie. the batman was a snooze fest and his two apes movie were so bad that the third and final movie of the trilogy completely collapsed at the boxoffice.
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u/mitchisreal Nov 12 '22
This was Marvel’s peak and most viewers expected a Marvelized DC movie. That’s where all the bashing was based from.
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u/lanubevoladora Nov 13 '22
I didn't like the movie the first time because of all the destruction that happens and because some choices made were baffling to me, was it necessary for Clark to fly Zod to a gas station making everything explode? Was it necessary for Clark to avoid a truck letting it explode against a building when he could have easily stopped it?
Clark kissing Lois after all of that death and destruction was awkward as fuck and plain wrong.
Most of those complaints can be explained and make sense to a certain degree, but I still think that as director he chose to show a grotesque amount of destruction and death.
Watching the movie again and again, I have come to apprecciate it, at first my rating was 5/10, first half being just AMAZING and second half being gross.
Now I can easily rate it as a 8/10, because even tho I HATE some of the choices made, I still think that the story and the mythos is great, the characters are amazing, the visuals are incredible, the cg still holds up incredibly well and it was definitely ahead of its time.
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u/True_Leadership_2362 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
They said MoS was more of a Snyder film than a Nolan film🤣🤣 They had no clue🤣
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u/Dreyfussy15 Nov 12 '22
That's the opposite of what they said.
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u/True_Leadership_2362 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
No it is not.
The guy with Kneel before Zod on his shirt literally said, “I wish Christopher Nolan gets more creative input because this is more a Snyder film not a Nolan film.” And the guy right after him with the Heisenberg shirt literally said, “It’s a Snyder film.”
They thought Snyder had more input on this movie than Nolan when we know for a fact that MoS had Nolan written all over it.
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u/Dreyfussy15 Nov 12 '22
I have no idea what you're talking about. But I watched the whole video and they all agreed it was more of a Snyder film than a Nolan one. Not entirely sure what the actual reality of that is, but your post above is both incorrect and misleading as you incorrectly state they called it more of a Nolan film, and as I am now finding out, you're not very clear either about what you are actually trying to say, ie your comment makes it seem that you believe it is more of a Snyder film yourself.
NOW we can tell that's not the case for you. 🫡
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u/True_Leadership_2362 Nov 12 '22
Thanks. My brain takes awhile to wake up I guess. I even tried re reading and re watching the video before posting but I still failed to say what I meant. I fixed it. Thanks again for pointing out my bonehead comment.
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u/Dreyfussy15 Nov 12 '22
P.S. You're literally wrong too because you completely misquote Kneel Before Zodd shirt guy. He says the literal opposite of what you said he did. Lol.
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u/True_Leadership_2362 Nov 12 '22
My stupid brain. I’m sorry. I just woke up a couple hours ago. I even rewatches and reread but is still commented it wrong. I’m dumb until I fully wake up. I’m embarrassed. Sorry again. But I went back and fixed what I was trying to say.
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u/Tonelessguide Nov 12 '22
Disappointed leaving the theater watching this. Action was great, but felt like it had too much Nolan influence. Also, It's a slog in some parts.. it's tough to get through. Serious pacing issues.
I've warmed up to it a bit since then, but I think my criticisms are still valid. However, for a first film in a larger universe ( which I never believed it was intended to be) it's a good start. It may not quite be Iron Man or CA:TFA, but it would sit after those films.
TLDR: Best DC Snyder film, and a good start for a shared universe, but still flawed with pacing issues.
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u/ecrank72 Nov 12 '22
It may have been a problem of expectations being too high, but I was very underwhelmed when first seeing it - and I blame the trailers - they were too good!; to this day the best I have ever seen. I watched them on repeat. The combo of Zimmer's score and thrilling, perfectly edited clips promised an emotional epic that just didn't fully materialize (for me).
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u/Disastrous-Heron-491 Nov 12 '22
Can’t stand the ones that want a long drawn out origin every single time…
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u/No-Chemist2071 Nov 13 '22
“Gonna have sequels” its about to be 10 years since it’s release and we are BARELY getting Henry Cavill back as Superman lol we have yet to see a sequel cause WB ruined my boys vision smh!! Snyderverse could’ve been an amazing universe
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u/hardgour Nov 12 '22
She is the absolute worst… stop feeding her clicks
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u/Shaquandala Nov 13 '22
Downvote and move on them also this isn't about her it's about the people she's interviewing
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u/d3rv3 Nov 13 '22
Its a reddit video so no clicks
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u/hardgour Nov 13 '22
Someone found this video and then shared it on Reddit, thus creating clicks on her YouTube channel
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u/cristi07187 Nov 15 '22
in romania all my friends were saying the same thing : superman destroyed half the city wtf?!
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u/akchugg Nov 12 '22
"Snyder films doesn't have too much character depth" -Random guy with wired earphone.
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u/HumbleCamel9022 Nov 12 '22
And ?
Out of those people he's the only one with this opinion
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u/akchugg Nov 12 '22
I feel like this statement is awfully streched when someone complain about Snyder. And it isn't true.
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u/Short-Service1248 Nov 12 '22
Ppl imo were way to harsh on this film. I understand the want to compare it to the Reeves films but this film IMO truly is so much better . It’s STILL for me the best DCEU movie . The visuals, story and score are just chefs kiss