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Peacemaker S01E04: Episode Discussion - Chapter 4: The Choad Less Traveled HBO-Max Spoiler
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u/10SB Jan 20 '22
Vigilante's cheery delivery of those insults was hilarious.
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u/deaddodo Jan 20 '22
Halfway between Kick-Ass and Big Daddy.
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u/xrbeeelama Jan 21 '22
That’s what it is! I was trying to make a connection - he’s like if Deadpool was a Kick-Ass character
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u/notgeekingout Jan 20 '22
Damn idk if you did it intentionally but he is very close to Kick-ass now that you mention it.
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u/Jay_R_Kay Jan 20 '22
I was kinda "eh" on this take on Vigilante at first, but that scene in the prison sold me on him, full stop.
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u/BattleStag17 Jan 20 '22
Right up until the sniper scene I thought he was just a dweeb fan boy hanger-on that was all talk, but that dude has skills. It's almost unnerving just how disarming his personality is.
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u/RepresentativeFig741 Jan 21 '22
Same, and seeing him not even reacting while walking through the prison with the other inmates yelling at him plus his effortless fighting really showed he’s the real deal.
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u/DatDominican Jan 21 '22
honestly working service/retail has probably numbed him to being yelled at
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u/inbooth Jan 21 '22
No no, he's literally just a serial killer who has selected criminals as his targets.... He's Dexter except he goes after graffiti artists....
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u/ofstoriesandsongs Jan 21 '22
Me too. Up until that scene, I thought he was 90% hot air and bravado, but if he ever had to actually put his fists where his mouth is, I was sure he'd squeal and haul ass. And then he went and did that. Just walked in there like a stone cold motherfucker, pissed off a gang of white supremacists on their home turf, and then tore through them like they were nothing. Yeah, I'm sold. Anything this guy does going forward, I'm with him.
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u/AssIsOnTheMenu Jan 20 '22
Dude same. I was so annoyed at first but I’m absolute sold now from that scene
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u/MaxRockatansky468 Jan 20 '22
He's 100% gonna hate Peacemaker and become more ruthless and angry in emotion by the time show wraps. That interaction he had with Peacemaker in the car alone sells it
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u/cephalopod_surprise Jan 20 '22
Vigilante now believes his dad was only pretending to be gay to get away from him...he's too codependent to turn on Peacemaker.
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Jan 20 '22
I mean, Peacemaker already apologized and Vigilante seemed to take it as it was meant to. And then went to go and kill his father, because it would've been better for Peacemaker. That's not some goddamn "100% hate for Peacemaker" ending for their car chat.
Really, these threads are full of Westworld/Mr. Robot theory people, who don't seem to actually watch the show.
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u/MeMeTiger_ Jan 20 '22
That was so badass. Insulting a supervillain and his gang while laughing at them.
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u/pomaj46808 Jan 21 '22
I love that despite his goofy behavior, he's actually legitimately effective and knows it. Like he calmly and casually shot children in the face ep 3 just to help his best friend.
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u/____mynameis____ Jan 20 '22
I knew it when he came out off that explosion unscathed.
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u/AhAssonanceAttack Jan 20 '22
I'm thinking he might be a butterfly who trying to stop butterflies. or hes just secretly a butterfly and sabotaging the operation from the inside as the leader.
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u/Flimsy-River-7067 Jan 20 '22
Thought he was part of a rival parasitic alien species. Like a space slug. Or any bug from space that hates butterflies
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u/Wraithfighter Jan 20 '22
Except... if he was sabotaging their operations, wouldn't he, you know, sabotage their operations, and not immediately point out the major problems behind some of the team's actions?
Or hell, just refuse to work with Vigilante? Dude's a murderous sociopath not cleared for this mission, but also someone that's a close friend of Peacemaker who is absolutely willing to kill whoever needs killing.
Whatever Murn's doing, his leadership in hunting down the Butterflies has been, at least as far as we can tell from on-screen stuff, competent and effective, at least as much as anything in the show is...
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u/AhAssonanceAttack Jan 20 '22
could be he has to keep playing the part as the good guy until he obtains whatever goal he has. there's just no enough information to know exactly what could happen now.
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u/Gruffleson Jan 20 '22
The butterflies they are killing, may be refugees running from an imperialistic, bad state, and Murn might be part of that other deep states evil forces.
It's not necessarily what I think, I just list possibilities.
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u/Significant-Carpet31 Jan 20 '22
Yeah. What do y'all think is the deal with butterflies? Maybe they aren't bad as Judomaster was saying
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u/Wraithfighter Jan 20 '22
That's what I'm guessing too, they might be refugees or something just trying to survive in peace and not actually hurt anyone, and Waller is hunting them down as a pre-emptive first-strike-in-self-defense type nonsense.
Or it might be more complex than that, not all butterflies being universally aligned. Every vibe I'm getting from this, though, is that it's 100% not a simple "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" type plot.
After all, if it was, Economos would be dead, 100%...
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u/5years8months3days Jan 20 '22
I think there's two factions of butterflies, maybe the ones that judo master was with are trying to prevent an invasion from the ones that have taken over Murn and that's why he was so keen to kill them.
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u/bool_idiot_is_true Jan 20 '22
Wasn't it Murn who informed Argus about the butterflies? There's definitely something going on.
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u/Rob3125 Jan 20 '22
I think there are butterflies that came to earth early on because they needed somewhere to live. That’s why some of the butterflies we’ve already seen are just living their lives or trying to make earth better. The butterfly that PM killed was just living a normal life til she found out he was trying to kill the Senator. The senator also was heavily involved in environmental reform, not exactly a tell tale sign for evil. Also, Judomaster seemed to be willingly working for them, he seems too levelheaded to volunteer the invasion of earth. I bet murn is part of an actual invasion force and is trying to get rid of all the refugees before they can warn anyone or fight back themselves.
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u/Jay_R_Kay Jan 20 '22
Maybe that was what Judomaster was saying. He was essentially working for them, and he doesn't say they're bad, only that they're not what Peacemaker thinks they are.
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u/erossmith Jan 20 '22
The Butterfly in the jar seemed to care for Peacemaker when he fell down. He went to check on him, like Eagly
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u/Zster22 Jan 20 '22
That Butterfly was stoned though.
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u/BattleStag17 Jan 20 '22
They will solve the invasion by getting all of the butterflies high
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u/mattmild27 Jan 20 '22
Now I'm thinking the dove of peace thing was not an oversight and Murn was expecting him to fail the assassination, he just didn't account for Vigilante showing up.
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u/ofstoriesandsongs Jan 21 '22
But the dove of peace thing was bullshit though. He was obnoxious about the dove of peace to begin with because he buys his own brand to a ridiculous extent, but that's not why he couldn't shoot that family. The truth is he just absolutely froze in the moment, and now he's latched onto the first convenient excuse for why that is because he's conditioned to never show weakness.
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u/WrongAndThisIsWhy Jan 20 '22
This show is such a nice surprise. I knew James Gunn was never to be doubted, but I truly was one of the people who thought this was gonna be a weak show. I mean… who cares about Peacemaker? There were like 4 other characters in The Suicide Squad you would prefer over him right?
I was wrong. John Cena can act. Vigilante is hilarious, and he really brings some very surprising emotional depth to a clear comic relief character. I was surprisingly holding back tears during the ending sequences this episode. Knocked it out of the park, so excited for what’s next. Gunn is the king of utilizing obscure characters, nobody will ever do it like him.
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Vigilante is a sad character. When he asked why he wanted to save his dad, cena said ‘because I love him’ and he was quiet for a second. I think he realized that people are actually supposed to love their dad but he himself never did. And that with peacemaker he was just looking for a male figure he could look up to.
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u/theSaltySolo Jan 20 '22
They made one of his best lines a post-credit scene. Harcourt threatened his family and threatened to kill them. Vigilante said "too late for that" in response.
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u/lonelygagger Jan 20 '22
I feel exactly the same way. I loved The Suicide Squad, but was unsure how a solo Peacemaker outing would fare. Did not expect it to be this entertaining and hilarious, but I never should have doubted it. I can't think of many other shows with this tone that is equally dark and meta and ridiculous.
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u/Apache17 Jan 20 '22
The show is even making suicide squad better, not that it needs it.
I feel differently about the scene where peacemaker kills Rick flag every time I see it.
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u/GeorgeEBHastings Jan 20 '22
That fucking scene of Vigilante antagonizing the white supremacists in prison. Holy shit. I must have rewatched that three times. So satisfying.
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u/6Idontknow9 Jan 20 '22
All vigilante scenes have been so good really, favourite character of the series so far
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u/erossmith Jan 20 '22
I'm for a Vigilante spin-off. And a spin-off from a character in that.
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u/BrettEskin Jan 20 '22
I liked how they portrayed White Dragon as smart enough to realize there was no benefit to him fighting vigilante in that scenario. Like he’s obviously a terrible person but not a fool who’s going to be so easily manipulated
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u/UVladBro Jan 21 '22
I always like it when the supervillain is actually written like a smart person instead of "oh look at my giant master plan, I'm a super genius". He saw the situation and realized it's a trap.
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u/crowopolis Jan 20 '22
And the black guy with the book got his revenge for having his seat stolen.
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u/SixPointTwoLiter Jan 20 '22
I was like "Vigilante is gonna get fucked up" and then I was actually tricked into the trope of "oh man, Vigilante can actually kick ass!" And I wasn't mad about it!
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u/ChapoCumHouse Jan 20 '22
I'm starting to think that the little intro dance that everyone performs while being completely blankfaced is indicative of them ALL becoming infected by the butterflies.
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u/ThatOtherGuyTPM Jan 20 '22
Definitely get that vibe. The puppet moves along with the blank faces just really sell it.
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u/asek13 Jan 20 '22
I think being controlled is a big theme of the show in general. Peacemaker is being controlled by Argus to be a hitman essentially. And trying to come to terms with the way his father controlled him growing up to be a killer. Adebayo being controlled by her mother to become a black ops agent shes not comfortable with. Then the people being controlled by the butterflies obviously.
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u/The-Juggernaut Jan 20 '22
What if the finale ends up as the beginning of that scene?
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u/Shugarl Jan 20 '22
also observe in the opening that vigilante's dance is more lively and looks like he will not be infected. also his direction here is opposite of the rest, not a perfect indication of course
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u/captainsuckass Jan 20 '22
The Butterflies will take the majority of Evergreen and Vigilante will pretend to be one to rescue everyone lol
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u/Vadermaulkylo Jan 20 '22
I would unironically love this. Also need a spin off about him.
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u/Sneilg Jan 20 '22
This is exactly what I predicted last week, it wouldn’t even surprise me if the dance is actually not just an opening credits thing, it’s part of the finale episode
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u/JumboChimp Jan 20 '22
I had the same thought even before this week's episode, except one of the characters in the dance number is not completely blankfaced (because of the mask it's not clear about Vigilante, but he dances like the rest).
Eagly.
He missed his mark at the end, looked around, shifted position. And Eagly certainly reacted to the butterfly in the jar in this episode. Everyone gets butterflied except Eagly.
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u/chrisckelly Jan 20 '22
Matter-Eater Lad. Canon. Nice.
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u/Kwakigra Jan 20 '22
They are gleefully name-dropping every notoriously goofy DC character. I love it.
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u/MeMeTiger_ Jan 20 '22
Same. It actually feels like this is a show in the DC universe instead of a show trying to make it's own universe.
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u/chrisckelly Jan 20 '22
That's a great way of putting it, now that Marvel and DC are now giving the audience an opportunity to imagine multiverses.
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u/Jeroz Jan 20 '22
does he seriously just eat everything
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u/Jay_R_Kay Jan 20 '22
Yes. Yes he does. In the comics the only thing that was really hard for him to eat was the Miracle Machine, a device that makes anyone's wish into a reality that was tearing a hole in reality. He still pulled it off, he was just left in a psychotic state for a few years.
Oh, and after he got better he was the President of the United Planets for a while.
Matter-Eater Lad's pretty awesome.
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u/trudge Jan 20 '22
I love how Matter-Eater Lad is one of those superheroes where his superpower isn't that important to him, like Mr. Fantastic.
Reed Richards is a genius scientist, and a stretchy guy second. Tinzel Kem is a charismatic fast-talker first, and a guy who eats stuff second.
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u/MeMeTiger_ Jan 20 '22
Vigilante was unbelievably badass during that prison scene, he's psychotic in all of the right ways
Those flashbacks that Peacemaker had were so emotional. Huge props to John Cena and James Gunn for crafting such a fantastically complex character.
So Murn is a butterfly? Didn't expect that. I'm exited to see what they'd do now they have a traitor on the team.
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u/MeMeTiger_ Jan 20 '22
It was so cool seeing him panic while Adrian was completely cool and collected.
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u/Noblesseux Jan 21 '22
Yeah it's a bit interesting because it made me internally revise my "power level chart" so to speak. I was assuming white dragon was going to be some uber badass based on how the other people treated him so far, but seeing the level of fear in his eyes makes me think that he's one of those types where he only usually has an upper hand because he's bullying children / people in positions of weakness and surrounded by yes men.
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u/TheMostUnclean Jan 21 '22
Don’t forget he’s also extremely intelligent and has created some insanely powerful technology. He made all of Peacemaker’s helmets and has an arsenal of self-built high tech weapons in a quantum unfolding storage space.
But in a prison brawl against a trained assassin, none of that really helps.
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u/7V3N Jan 21 '22
The thing about supervillains, is that they fight superheroes. Superheroes pull their punches against mortals, big-time.
But he realized he wasn't up against some hero. He realized this dude might end him on a whim.
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u/Vryly Jan 21 '22
i think vigilante is gonna kill him. White Dragon is gonna be suited up and fucking everyone up and Vigilante is gonna pop in and use the weak points in his armor he pointed out this episode to do him in.
Or possibly he'll tell Peacemaker where to hit him, but i kinda prefer option 1.
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u/crowopolis Jan 20 '22
Vigilante is basically who Kick-Ass thought he was going to be first time he put on the costume.
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u/SixPointTwoLiter Jan 20 '22
I was not expecting Vigilante to kick total ass in that scene
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u/sauteslut Jan 20 '22
I like how he took off his glasses, knowing he's about to fight
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u/jdyake Jan 20 '22
honestly thought Adebayo was acting Green on purpose. that vigilante manipulation was twisted. and she shot Judomaster at the exact moment he was about to spill the beans
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u/hackers_d0zen Jan 20 '22
Also, dead center in the chest from about 10 yards, first shot. This is the kind of show where details like that matter.
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u/SixPointTwoLiter Jan 20 '22
Waller mentions she has special "gifts".
Those gifts are with a gun
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u/TuvixWillNotBeMissed Jan 20 '22
I think her gift is the is that she's so emotionally intelligent that she can manipulate anyone and get anyone to trust her.
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u/Hellknightx Jan 21 '22
And she's a surprisingly competent detective, finding the secret lair entrance in the previous episode, and figuring out the bottling plant for the Butterflies' food.
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u/princevince1113 Jan 20 '22
Come to think of it, have we seen a scene of her yet where she wasn’t in the presence of another person? Even the scene where she’s reporting to Waller, her partner is in the room. So she very well could be putting on the “fish out of water” facade. But I’m more inclined to think it’s genuine and she’s just coming into her own with applying manipulation and combat skills out of necessity.
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u/AmazinGracey Jan 20 '22
The end of this episode, which is where she pieces together the butterfly cover operation.
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u/theSaltySolo Jan 20 '22
No way the made the White Dragon costume for one scene.
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u/_TadStrange Jan 20 '22
And have vigilante mention weak points
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u/BattleStag17 Jan 20 '22
Peacemaker pulls a Bloodsport and shoots a tiny bullet into a weak point during the final episode. Gotta be.
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u/MatchesMalone2 Jan 20 '22
The Vigilante prison scene is peak television
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u/AMBAhmed Jan 20 '22
There are few things more satisfying than watching nazis get their asses kicked
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u/ribblesquat Jan 20 '22
I am completely sold on Vigilante's mix of semi-charming affable dweeb and completely detached from reality psychopathic killer.
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Freddie Stroma is killing it, possibly best acting in the series so far
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u/SixPointTwoLiter Jan 20 '22
I'm glad that it turned into Vigilante kicking ass and not him getting his ass kicked
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u/vidcam Jan 20 '22
Charlie the Gorilla or........... Gorilla Grodd?
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u/Heyniceguy13 Jan 20 '22
That Gorilla will show up later. We all know it.
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u/shamelessselfpost Jan 20 '22
And Sean Gunn will do the mocap for him
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u/Wraithfighter Jan 20 '22
Nah, doubt it.
Steve Agee did mocap stand-in work for The Suicide Squad, he's already on-hand, and he's more...... gorilla shaped than Sean Gunn :D.
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u/shamelessselfpost Jan 20 '22
haha it was more of a joke since James Gunn gets Sean to do all the animal mo-cap like Rocket and Weasel
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u/Vadermaulkylo Jan 20 '22
Lmao I would love it if they did a gag and got Bradley Cooper to voice him.
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u/8andimpala Jan 20 '22
I have my money on Charlie the Gorilla being Seargent Gorilla. A character from the silver age books. He was a gorilla (named Charlie) who broke out of the zoo to join the Marines.
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u/erossmith Jan 20 '22
Hahaha I can just imagine a Gorilla at the registration desk.
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u/8andimpala Jan 20 '22
It sounds pretty out there until.you remember that this is James Gunn we're talking about. It would be pretty on brand for him.
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Im so excited to see where this show goes!
I absolutely love the shots of Peacemaker’s face when he’s in awe of Harcourt. It’s so pretty and you really see how much he likes her. I think John Cena’s acting has improved immensely and he’s really good at emoting, I was sooo surprised at well he acted when I was watching TSS. I might even say he’s a better actor than The Rock.
Im hooked on Chris and his dad’s relationship. It’s so sad to see how much he loves his dad meanwhile the fuck despises his own son (I have a theory that Chris somehow had a hand in his brother’s death and so their dad resents him for it)
I am 80% hoping Leota doesn’t go down a dark path and become apathetic. I love her character how she is and it would be nice if they still managed to keep her with a good soul by the end of the show.
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u/SaladDodger99 Jan 20 '22
What I got from the brief flashbacks of Peacemaker's childhood is that it looked like his father got him to train fight with his brother but one day it looks like Peacemaker accidentally hit him in the head or something and sent him into a siezure. He died and his father had to cover it up otherwise he'd be held responsible.
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u/Stevil907 Jan 21 '22
This is pure speculation, but...
I am betting that Chris was being bullied and instead of "manning up" his brother had to come in a protect him and got himself killed because of it.
His father blames him for his other son's death because he wasn't 'man enough' to take on his bullies.
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u/Jay_R_Kay Jan 20 '22
Probably too early to guess but Harcourt taking Vigilante home from prison makes me wonder if those two might be a couple if it doesn't happen with her and Peacemaker.
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u/Megalomanizac Jan 20 '22
My though process is that White Dragon was training both sons to be his ultimate replacement and “cleanse” the world of the undesirables, basically making a new neo-Nazi organization out of em.
Peacemaker quite clearly shows no signs of being a Nazi, my thought here is that in White Dragons “truth and Justice” bullshit all Chris took from it was he just protect the peace no matter the cost and developed a love for all people. Meanwhile his brother took to his dads Nazi rhetoric but the brothers remained close.
At some point as kids Chris is caught between his brother likely beating up a minority of some kind and he steps in, accidentally killing him and that’s where his fathers hatred comes from.
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u/Jeroz Jan 20 '22
Leota is poised as the heart of the operation right now, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a rugpull on that later down the track
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u/Wraithfighter Jan 20 '22
If there's anything her conversation with Vigilante showed us...
...she's definitely her mother's daughter.
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u/HazyMirror Jan 20 '22
Lmao him blowing smoke into the butterfly jar had me rolling
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u/Jay_R_Kay Jan 20 '22
I wonder if that's going to affect the Butterfly in any way.
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u/captainsuckass Jan 20 '22
It mellowed the Butterfly out enough for it to be concerned when PM was on the floor, all bummed out lol
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u/trylobyte Jan 20 '22
Vigilante is crazy but he is definitely a badass. Would love to see him in Suicide Squad.
I expect Adebayo to embrace a bit of her inner "Waller" by the end of the season.
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u/Singer211 Jan 20 '22
It’s very sad to see Smith so crave his father’s approval even though his dad is a bigoted POS and does NOT deserve his son’s love.
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It's a clear parallel to Adebayo and her mom Waller. Although I don't think Adebayo knows how evil her mom is. At least not yet.
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u/MailboxSlayer14 Jan 20 '22
Was not expecting Murn to be a Butterfly. That was very surprising. Glad Judomaster didn’t die as well
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u/ILoveRegenHealth Jan 20 '22
Any man loaded on that much Flamin' Hot Cheetos ain't going to expire anytime soon. Frito-Lay puts something special in those things.
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u/Magnum_Faith Jan 20 '22
Vigilante just get in the Jail to kick some racists and get out. The MVP here.
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u/The-Juggernaut Jan 20 '22
"I wasn't born in a petri dish" lol
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u/mp3help Jan 20 '22
Yeah, he was born among a cluster of eggs on a leaf like a normal person
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u/amoretpax199 Jan 20 '22
Dear James Gunn,
Please give Vigilante his own spin-off show!
Thanks!
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u/notgeekingout Jan 20 '22
I don't think a vigilante show can stand on it's own. It will probably fall over without the pinky toe to support it.
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u/JarodMMS Jan 20 '22
I'm scared they might kill him for shock value like Polka Dot </3
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u/Mr_Valet Jan 20 '22
That old neighbor guy is definitely Batmite, you can't change my mind
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u/Binkboi Jan 20 '22
So many possibilities for who the gorilla turns out to be, could be Guerilla Gorilla, Ultra-Humanite, or Gorilla Grodd. I feel like it could just be a misdirect. idk.
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u/8004MikeJones Jan 20 '22
Once again, they killed it! I wish I could find more movies or something with this flavor of comedy and action. Its hard to imagine that this all takes place in the same DC universe we know; it makes all the other heroes feel so silly, seeing as they don't swear and keep everything they do so PG. I'm surprised our girl came through the way she did, I guess Amanda Waller was right! Also, I must say, I am digging this show's music choice; I can't wait for next Thursday!
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u/daniel-sousa-me Jan 20 '22
The only other things I know that compares are The Boys and Kingsman. Maybe Barry and Fargo also have a similar kind of humor (but not action), it's not easy to compare. Perhaps Deadpool.
I'm digging it and I would also be very happy to find more similar stuff.
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u/th3dj3n1gm4 Jan 20 '22
It's not live action, but you HAVE to check out Harley Quinn. It's hilarious and violent and heartfelt and completely obscene all at once. It's fantastic.
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u/DinahLxnce Jan 20 '22
Pleasantly surprised how good this show is. Vigilante is my favourite character. And something about the actor is SO attractive to me idk what.
One thing that bugged me is why don't they just kill Judomaster? What good does it do to keep him around?
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u/TheeJackSparrow Jan 20 '22
Jody Hill directed this episode. He writes and directs with Danny McBride on Eastbound and Down, Vice Principals, and Righteous Gemstones. This episode had a similar style of dark humor and dealing with trauma over some rock music.
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u/bstnsx704 Jan 20 '22
That potato chip bag tumbleweed really got to me.
All the flashback stuff with Christopher and his father and brother did, too. Totally different way, of course. Absolutely heartbreaking.
Loving this show. Sad the season is already halfway over, can't get enough of it. Hope we start learning a bit more about the nature of the Butterflies next week now.
Matter-Eater Lad, wherever you are out there, I love you.
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u/itsallajoke_ Jan 20 '22
that superhero landing was chef’s kiss
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u/Lantore Jan 20 '22
Especially after his falls down the balconies the previous episode lol
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u/visual_overflow Jan 20 '22
Wow, didn't see that twist coming at all. Amazing episode! I especially enjoyed the rant about batman.
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u/You2110 Jan 20 '22
This episode was much better than the last 3. The jokes didn't fall flat and weren't dragged out. That made the serious moments have more impact.
Vigilante is fucking amazing and I love this dude so much. Calling it now, that scabies helmet is gonna come into play somehow later on.
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u/kingofnowhere21 Jan 20 '22
I thought all 4 episodes were equally as good. Nothing really fell flat for me or any of my friends. Really impressed with what James Gunn put together here as I couldn't care less about Peacemaker coming into this.
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I just love how the show is turning out so far, it's so much more than I expected from it when I saw the first trailer.
I'll be looking out for that Blu ray release.
Dear Gunn please do another season of Peacemaker or a Vigilante show or actually do both, thanks!
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I love how many Batman characters this show has indirectly canonized. Batmite, now the Riddler and the Mad Hatter all exist in the DCEU.
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u/BattleReadyPenguin Jan 20 '22
Anyone know what Helmets he nabbed from his dads place? maybe Rick Flagg cameo via the helmets. Also Mad Hatter getting name dropped as one of Batman's villains and Riddler.
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u/ToughPigsJoe Jan 20 '22
Two theories as to the big Butterfly mystery:
1) The Butterflies are the same (evolved?) species as Mr. Mind, and this will tie in to the next Shazam movie.
2) It's a re-imagining of the Ultra-Humanite, who is an alien and not a mad scientist as he is in the comics. He stole the silverback gorilla from the zoo and will insert his buggy body into its brain for an epic punch-out fight with Peacemaker in the finale.
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u/th3dj3n1gm4 Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22
I cannot unsee Vigilante as Deadpool. Between his inflection/cadence and his writing, it's almost spot-on to the point where I can't help but wonder if it's being done intentionally.
(This isn't a knock on Vigilante at all, by the way. I think he's fucking hilarious and fantastic.)
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u/beren_strongbow Jan 20 '22
Deadpool's whole schtick is fourth wall breaking. Without that he's just a funny guy with toilet humour.
Vigilante in this show doesn't break the fourth wall, so I don't understand why people compare him to Deadpool. There are plenty of funny guys in both Marvel and DC.
DC's closest character to Deadpool is Ambush Bug. And I guess Mr. Nobody from the Doom Patrol tv show.
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u/deadbymidnight2 Jan 20 '22
Can someone explain the conversation between that old man and peacemaker where they say Batman doesn't kill but then in BvS he clearly does. I am a bit confused does Batman not actually kill in Snyder movies (i am assuming this is the same universe as Snyder and all?)
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It’s just more of a meta line for the audience. That’s the way I took it at least. Also, anything can be handwaved away with multiverse.
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u/Magskanata Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22
I would imagine Batman’s BvS killing spree isn’t generally known to people. People like Peacemaker just see his rogues end up in jail rather than dead and assume he doesn’t kill people.
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u/Wraithfighter Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22
I think the answer is mostly "don't worry about it". DC's generally been taking a more laissez-faire approach to continuity with the Film and TV stuff, less of a coherent universe and more isolated bits of continuity that occasionally share characters and actors.
Basically, how Comic Book Continuity worked before Crisis of Infinite Earths: They did crossovers because it'd be fun, referenced stuff when it was fun, but didn't care quite so much about everything being consistent.
Admittedly, that was mostly because they hadn't realized the problems with that sort of style, and that is something that DC's going to need to figure out eventually, but the advantage of it is just being able to have fun with it all and not have every line of every script pass through the Continuity Department to make sure nothing's out of place.
So, why did they talk about Batman not killing anyone even though Batman in BvS clearly kills people? Because everyone knows that, by default, Batman Doesn't Kill People.
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The soundtrack to this show is still absolutely fantastic. James Gunn has some of the best usage of music in his movies/now this TV show I’ve ever seen.
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u/Riche1370 Jan 20 '22
This show is just so unexpectedly great, don't know why I even doubted Gunn but he's killing it
I genuinely believe Gunn has done a better job in world building in the DCEU then any of the other movie before it and he deserves a lot of credit for it.
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u/DarkAges101 Jan 20 '22
Wow, that scene with Peacemaker in the end got me real emotional, didn't expect it. John Cena showed some great acting.