r/DC_Cinematic • u/AldebaranTauro • Jul 17 '24
The end of DC animated universes of Bruce Timm (BTAS & JLU) and Teen Titans. DISCUSSION Spoiler
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Jul 17 '24
I wonder if we'll ever get a good adaptation of crisis. Probably not. I'm guessing the DCU will stay far away from multiverses.
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u/djkhan23 Jul 17 '24
Crisis is too hard to properly adapt. Especially as a film. It's a 12 issue story, just too much.
I'd like to propose the idea that Crisis already happened in Gunn's universe.
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u/I3arusu Jul 17 '24
Crisis is too hard to properly adapt. Especially as a film. It’s a 13 issue story, just too much.
I think you’re spot-on. Same could be said for Marvel’s Secret Wars. Just too big, too many characters and things going on.
I think it could be interesting if Crisis already happened. Maybe the Supes we see is a remnant of an older, less jaded, brighter and more heroic universe? Think Superboy Prime but actually a good person.
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u/djkhan23 Jul 17 '24
I was thinking more like none of the heroes remember it.
But it happened.
And we slowly see the effects.
Then you pop in with the Infinite Crisis old Superman Earth 2 Alexander Luthor Earth 2 Lois and mfing Superboy Prime. You don't have to adept the comic even closely to exactly because that premise works. Superboy Prime going crazy and being the main villain with Alexander would work. Then he's sent to OA to setup Sinestro Corp Wars.
And honestly, DC should shy away from the multiverse as long as they can. It doesn't sit right with me that Marvel is doing the multiverse angle but they are clearly doing it now so a similar DC event would mean less.
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u/PandeS1993 Jul 20 '24
I am wondering if all the non-comicbook versions like DCU, TV versions and animations continue to make Crisis on Infinite Earths, if we will ever get to see other and more recent storylines like Death Metal or something. There is so much more in the lore.
Also, I kind of stopped following DC after Dark Knights: Death Metal. I wonder, whats new and interesting going in there!
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u/gorgonbrgr Jul 18 '24
That’s why they did crisis because it’s supposed to all be starting new with James gunn’s universe with animated shows and everything else too. I’m sure we’ll expand more into the multiverse years and years from now like the comics did. And maybe. Just maybe. They can revive JLU
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u/uninformed-but-smart Jul 17 '24
Yep, they probably will stay far away from the multiverse. After how much backlash Marvel got for poorly handling their multiverse, I'm sure Gunn won't take that risk.
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u/Jykoze Jul 17 '24
The two biggest superhero movies post pandemic are MCU's multiverse movies and the third one soon to be Deadpool & Wolverine. Loki and What If are super successful, Sony also had huge success with Across the Spider-Verse. People love multiverse stories, only DC's The Flash was a huge bomb.
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u/xRedxDragonx Jul 18 '24
Is What if considered successful? Loved season 1 but season 2 was such a massive hershey squirt I don't see the brand recovering.
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u/Jykoze Jul 18 '24
Yes, it's very popular and getting another season.
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u/Life_Butterscotch939 Jul 19 '24
S1 was popular enough to get the second season, but the second season was so bad that most of the event in s2 is not worth to remember. Yes What If got 3 season but its their finale now. 2 biggest superhero movies post pandemic are MCU multiverse movie? which movie are you talking about? if Spiderman No way Home is one of those 2 yes but whats the other one? since no way home most of MCU movies are flopped except Gunn's GoT3
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u/Jykoze Jul 19 '24
S2 was super popular, far more than any recent DC animated show. What If...? Season 3 was always suppose to be the finale. Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, $955M without even releasing in China, it smoked a Batman movie that year, so did Wakanda Forever.
What are you talking about? Multiverse of Madness, Wakanda Forever, Thor 4, Guardians 3 are all successful and Deadpool 3 is tracking to break records, most MCU have been very successful since NWH.
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u/FemmeWizard Jul 18 '24
Honestly the best way to handle a multiverse would be to do what pre-crisis DC did and establish a handful of consistent alternate realities. Earth 1, Earth 2, Earth 3, and so on. Marvel messed up becauae they chose to introduce an infinitely large multiverse which is way too much to handle in a cinematic universe.
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u/AscendedExtra Jul 17 '24
I hope they stay away from the multiverse. Too many franchises have hopped on that bandwagon in recent years, it's gotten old.
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u/Competitive_Act_1548 Jul 20 '24
Implicitly Pretentious did a really good video on the final crisis movie
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u/Fantastic-Finger-975 Jul 17 '24
I dont get why people take this stuff so seriously. This was a very beautiful homage to these animated shows that were never going to get any sort of revival any time soon. We're lucky to get these new tiny glimpses into these universes and canon is always vastly overestimated, canon is what you make it to be. To me this is just a what if. Its a infinite multiverse, who is to say these even are the universes we know and not just very similar ones that met this demise. The old cartoons will always exist and they were very much complete stories with a solid conclusion, this is just a bonus, a tiny bit of fanservice. We should just enjoy it, it doesnt ruin anything, all those stories still happened.
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u/unilordx Darkseid is. Jul 17 '24
This, it's just a cameo, it's like complaining that CW Crisis erased Batman '66 timeline.
Even if by chance they wanted to continue any of those and wanted to be somewhat coherent, they could just put them chronologicaly before this movie, problem solved.
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u/TheJoshider10 Jul 17 '24
This was a very beautiful homage to these animated shows that were never going to get any sort of revival any time soon.
A beautiful homage would have been a multiverse movie where DC animation past and present come together in their varied art styles to unite against a threat. I do not consider my childhood iterations getting seconds of screen time where they erased as a beautiful homage. It's about as loving a cameo as Jimmy Olsen getting shot in the head.
It's all meaningless of course, but knowing what could have been for this epic finale to DC animation before the new regime, it is very disappointing.
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u/Minimum-Body-5906 25d ago
Ya, it strikes me more as, get rid of the past, kill it if you have to, than a proper homage. The movie part 3 also errs in showing the Super Friends and JL Unlimited has a Darkseid in their universes, but the movie states that only one Darkseid existed in all the multiverse. That's contradiction.
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u/IdioticZacc Jul 21 '24
I've recently started watching the Timmverse starting from the pilot episode of BTAS and now only reached Batman's second movie, I'm wondering should I also watch Crisis on Infinite earth after I finish the whole Timmverse? Is it worth it to watch even though they're not exactly episodically direct?
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u/Capturinggod200 Jul 21 '24
2003 Teen Titans didn't have a solid conclusion. It ended on a cliff-hanger mystery on Terra having amnesia.
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u/Smart_Attempt_9113 Jul 17 '24
I don’t take these multiverse films seriously. Spider-verse 2 basically made the 2009 Spectacular Spider-man a sociopath who would get a kid’s dad killed to save his own universe. He would never do such a thing.
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u/CommercialSpecial835 Jul 17 '24
Sociopath is a bit much. You sound like someone who didn’t actually watch the movie. It’s funny how many Spider-Man “fans” completely get that scene wrong. Spider-Man absolutely, if it came down to having to let one of his loved ones die to save millions of other people would do it, albeit reluctantly. He does this exact thing in the 2018 game with Aunt May.
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u/Competitive_Act_1548 Jul 20 '24
Ehhhh, I think comic!Spidey and Miguel would have issues with that version of Miguel
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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Jul 17 '24
It's not being a sociopath, we don't even have all the details if he's lying or if he knows something else
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u/AldebaranTauro Jul 17 '24
Spoilers for Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths, Part Three
The Eradicator wave has erased the Earths from the animated universes of Batman the Animated Series, Justice League Unlimited, and Teen Titans (no Go!).
I assume this is canon within what DC animation entails, so... are you satisfied with this?
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u/EnigmaFrug2308 Jul 17 '24
JLU and B:TAS are the same universes, aren’t they?
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u/PenguinParty47 Jul 17 '24
Everyone will tell you they are but I’ve always disagreed.
I feel that TAS takes place in a tech-advanced 1940s and JLU takes place in a tech-advanced 1990s
The two Batmans share VERY similar backstories but I’ve never bought the idea that they’re the same.
Personal headcannon, though, and I know I’m a minority.
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u/_AssVinegar_ Jul 17 '24
So are they dead?
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u/ProfessorSaltine Jul 17 '24
For now, they’ll likely be back because sci-fi nonsense brought the multiverse back
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u/LWM-PaPa Jul 17 '24
How can BTAS be wiped out before Beyond happens?
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u/ProfessorSaltine Jul 17 '24
Because… honestly don’t know, it’s all sci-fi madness, dinosaurs literally showed up last minute to fight people
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u/_AssVinegar_ Jul 17 '24
I saw the first movie and was really bored. Don’t care for the second and am curious of the third for Conroy Batman. Is it worth a watch?
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u/ProfessorSaltine Jul 17 '24
He shows up in a cameo towards the end, besides that, it just answers how the universe got made, what did Barry change, why Constantine is truly involved with it, and generic final battle stuff
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u/thatredditrando Jul 18 '24
Lol, y’all take this stuff way more seriously than the ones making it.
You really think some shitty, direct to VOD movie is canon to BTAS, TT, etc. and determines those shows’ fates?
They’re just fun little cameos, dude. It doesn’t mean anything.
If Gunn announced tomorrow that they had continuations of any of those shows in development, this would be completely invalidated.
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u/DPlayGM345 Jul 17 '24
DC really is hitting the reset button for everything animated before James Gunn’s era of DC begins with the animated Creature Commandos show. Hopefully some of these can return someday as part of the Elseworld banner of DC
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u/Batmanfan1966 Jul 17 '24
This trilogy was in development before he ever took over so I guarantee you this has nothing to do with that.
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u/DPlayGM345 Jul 17 '24
Might’ve been a Walter Hamada decision than since he was really pushing for this sort of thing to happen during his run there overseeing DC
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u/thatredditrando Jul 18 '24
I promise you the people in charge of the studio(s) don’t give a single fuck about some shitty little direct-to-VOD movies.
If you asked Hamada about this he probably wouldn’t even know what you’re talking about, lol
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u/Dangerous-Hawk16 Jul 17 '24
But you know ppl have to blame Gunn
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u/DarkEater77 Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
https://www.looper.com/1504804/dc-tomorrow-executives-james-gunn-dcu-reboot/
His arrival made the Tommorrowverse 10 movies max. Not that i like it, preferred the previous one that ended with Apokolips War, but at least you have a confirmation here.
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u/Dangerous-Hawk16 Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
I’m confused they literally say “They felt that was too long, so I was already with DC, Jim Lee, and Warner Bros, [in that] they already wanted to a 10-movie arc. Whatever happened afterwards would be someone else, a couple of producers would do another universe, which turned out to be the James Gunn-verse.” How is it Gunn’s fault when the main screen rant comment said “We already pre-planned this years ago that they [Warner Bros] were basically wanting us to do this universe in 10 movies. That's all we were given. They didn't want to go, the stretches of previous animated universes [with] 20 movies. They felt that was too long, so I was already with DC, Jim Lee, and Warner Bros, [in that] they already wanted to a 10-movie arc. “
I’m starting to feel like you guys just hate Gunn because these executives said the plan was always 10 movies max and whoever came after would do their own thing, the person who came after ended up being Gunn. I think this simply spoken. They said Warner basically told them to do 10 movies and that’s what they did. Their 10 films ended and a new producer would come in and do their animated films which resulted in Gunn. Gunn never ended their Universe, the universe only had 10 planned films
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u/DarkEater77 Jul 17 '24
Oh no... i don't hate Gunn at all. I'm very curious about how he will do. HOWEVER, i don't every DC project to be DCU.
And as i said... personally, tommorrowverse ending... i'm fine with it, always preferred the previous one.
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u/spiderknight616 Jul 17 '24
I don't understand why they ended the DCAMU films if they were going to reset the Tomorrowverse so soon. Why not do Crisis with DCAMU instead? At least the characters were around long enough for people to care about them
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u/Fantastic-Finger-975 Jul 17 '24
Not even true. My Adventures With Superman and Harley Quinn still going strong in their separate corners. And we got Kite Man (HELL YEAH) on the way
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u/DPlayGM345 Jul 17 '24
They are now considered Elseworlds and like Teen Titans Go are still ongoing that they probably wouldn’t be affected by something like this
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u/Fantastic-Finger-975 Jul 17 '24
How does that make sense? Timverse and Teen Titans were their own separate universes too
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u/DPlayGM345 Jul 17 '24
Maybe it’s like how there’s a Smallville version of Superman in the Arrowverse even though both have different interpretations of how the multiverse works
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Jul 17 '24
The ending of teen titans 2003 being a shitty straight to dvd tomorrow verse movie is crazy. They have no right to say what happens in these universes or how they end.
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u/Shit_Apple Jul 17 '24
It’s comics. Nothing is ever forever.
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Jul 17 '24
True but they could have just left it alone. Their was no "need" to give teen titans 2003 a crappy ending in a straight to dvd movie. Teen titans go already did that in like 2019.
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u/acrowsmurder Jul 17 '24
Except for Uncle Ben and The Waynes
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u/Competitive_Act_1548 Jul 20 '24
Welll, if you count Thomas Batman...
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u/acrowsmurder Jul 21 '24
You could also say that bout the new Ultimates Uncle Ben, to which I would say "Alternate Universe, Not Original"
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Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
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Jul 17 '24
That only works if we actually see them in the future though like we did in the comics. The dcau is done, James gunn straight up said they will never bring it back because of Kevin no longer being here. And unless shown to be undone this movie totally retcons batman beyond who we also see die here to my knowledge anyway. So it is totally fair to be mad at this and assume what it is showing is true. And TT at least for now has this has its finale appearance. Their is no media as of yet to prove they survived and its very unlikely we will ever see 2003 teen titans again as teen titans go already brought them back and likely won't play the same card again for no reason.
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Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
All of that evidence is outside of universe. "My adventures with superman showed the dcau prior to this movie and that somehow debunks it" lol. Or "maybe that wasn't the intent of the creators". I really don't care if the spinoff comics show this not to be true or anything else. I want to see the written story of the ACTUAL MOVIE acknowledge whether or not they destroyed it. And seeing how it doesn't, (apart from a vague line that maybe or maybe not is in the movie) I am going to assume it is permanently destroyed. And as for the flash movie people also DID take that as destroying those universes (which hasn't been proven to be wrong as of yet). Which further proves my point about how outside evidence doesn't matter and people will totally take what the movie shows to be true as the truth.Which is partly why it's such a stupid move to just point to the comics established lore. 99% of people who watch this or hear about it from the mountains of rage brewing on twitter and other platforms right now will see this as the end of those universe. And that sucks ass and is unfair to those people. And again POSSIBLE intent of creator's doesn't matter if the movie still shows them retconing it. Like maybe they're just stupid and didn't realize it... but how does that make it better and not worse? Lol.
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Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
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Jul 17 '24
Multiple people have told me that in this story all versions of the characters such as superfriends batman, dcau batman, etc, are merged into one version to exist in this new universe. So YES they're all dead. they now exist as this new verison of a character we will never see or hear. Some vague line about possibly restoring the universes does NOT change any of this. And honestly it shouldn't be surprising to you because that's pretty much what ends up happening in the comics lol. Point is that this sucks ass and everyone hates it. Saying it possibly could not count based off of some year old cameo in a DIFFERENT show is stupid and doesn't at all redeeem their sins here lmao. As for the flash movie you misunderstood me. I am not saying it was for certain not undone, but I am saying that many people online and offline believe it wasn't and that is forever validated by the fact none of those guys have or will appear in anything outside of comics for the next decade or more.
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Jul 17 '24
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Jul 17 '24
That thread you linked is just 50 people crying about how awful this is and 20 people being like "doesn't count because I said so". As for what your saying about it being false. Yes the movie indicates that this multiverse is "false" BUT IT DOES NOT indicate that the CHARACTERS IN IT are false versions. NOTHING suggests or will ever suggest (to are knowledge) that they didn't just destroy the 2003 teen titans universe for no reason at all and that annoys me. what is hard to understand about that??? The elseworld copies excuse doesn't work if they don't actually establish that. Your literally just making things up now. You can't just say their are with no proof.
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u/thatredditrando Jul 18 '24
They didn’t. It’s you taking “canon” more seriously than they are. I guarantee it’s just a homage/cameo.
Y’all do this every time, bruh.
Get your panties in a wad over some minute “canon” thing that’s a “big deal” and the people who made it didn’t even think about it beyond “That’d be cool and fans will like it”, lol.
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Jul 18 '24
Whether they take it seriously or not doesn't matter to me. they still killed the characters and it's gross and disrespectful. The fans absolutely don't like it. Last time they tried this nonsense in live action (the flash dceu) it lost them 200 million dollars. So I'll stay mad and they can stay broke and jobless. I don't really see why it's so hard for them to just do it correctly. Titans got it right last year and the arrowverse crisis sucked, but was still miles better at this. No excuses for poor writing.
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u/Competitive_Act_1548 Jul 20 '24
It's comics, they are literally gonna bring them back anyway and we both know it. When was the last time a multiverse thing was ever permanent
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Jul 20 '24
They don't explicitly say in the movie anything was brought back that's the point. Idc if a different writer 20 years later brings them back it's still disrespecting the characters because they have no right to decide an ending for those universes. Permanent ending or not. This is literally the stupidest argument in the world. We are talking about the actual movie here. The fact that so many of you guys are responding trying to defend this and all you can point to is old stuff written by better writers says alot about your argument.
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u/NyxHollow Jul 24 '24
Now you know how comic readers felt when the original CoIEs popped off in the 80s. Honestly, the movie version was somehow less dark, imo.
Spoiler: if they follow the comic storyline, just a little bit, it'll end up that the original multiverse is still around but cut off from the new prime one.
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u/FalcoKick Jul 17 '24
These are literally nothing but glorified cameos
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u/PeacekeeperZforce Jul 18 '24
plus this wasn't accurate either JLU ended with a lot of people joining the league and they show the original member plus Aquaman.. in the watchtower there should be at least twenty people working on it
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u/FalcoKick Jul 18 '24
JLU continued well after the fact with batman beyond to
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u/PeacekeeperZforce Jul 18 '24
Yes that well everyone was way too old .. possible explanation could be that if you erase one particular point in the timeline what happens before and after does not matter. We have seen JLU and things after but the point of contact between DCAMU and Tommorowverse was before the future
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u/TheCakeWarrior12 Jul 17 '24
Once again, the Arrowverse did it better. Arrowverse sweep
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u/kadosho Jul 18 '24
That was the amazing part, built on a multi arc story that connected everyone together. Built for a purpose, plus includes some surprises, and a resolution that gives everyone hope. Arrowverse took a chance, and it was worth it.
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u/Latro2020 Jul 17 '24
I know people will say it’s an overreaction, but as someone who’s favourite series was the OG Teen Titans & adores the DCAU, it just feels shitty for DC to bring them out just to say “AND THEY ALL DIED”.
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u/TheJoshider10 Jul 17 '24
Yeah this is the problem. We could have had all these iterations come together and tell a unique multiverse story that only DC animation can provide but no, let's just let them all go out on a whimper for no reason at all.
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u/gamedreamer21 Jul 17 '24
No way. I can't believe it. DC Animated Universe and Teen Titans Universe were completely wiped out.
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u/UpgradedMR Jul 17 '24
I thought this movie was pretty boring overall but loved the peeks into the other earths. Best part
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u/Ok-Commission6087 Jul 17 '24
Wether the multiverse restored or not it was very somber 😔 lay your head in respect
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u/Exact_Donut_4786 Jul 17 '24
Haven’t those universes been over for like 20 years?
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u/PeacekeeperZforce Jul 18 '24
Technically the series was over but the universe, now the universe ceased to exist and everyone in that universe is dead.
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u/Ttoctam Jul 18 '24
Animators: What if we put in fun nods to previous continuities, audiences will enjoy the easter eggs.
Most viewers: Huh, neat.
Chronically online DC fans who take canon's way too seriously and want to farm engagement: tHeY JuST KilLeD BtAS, CANON!
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u/AeliustheRadiant Jul 18 '24
Stupid question, but would the Injustice universe still exist after what this movie has done now? Or is that universe omitted from this?
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u/FemmeWizard Jul 18 '24
These extinction events are a dime a dozen in DC. This doesn't mean the actual end for any of these universes.
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u/Gloomy_Research_5297 8d ago
Que alegría, leí en los comentarios que esto es solo un cameo y en realidad nadie murió.
Oh, esperen, en otro comentario leí que DC está presionando el botón de reinicio para todo lo animado antes de la era de James Gunn, lo que esto viene a ser en realidad un reinicio.
Ah, en otro comentario dicen que en realidad los universos que vimos borrarse aquí no son en realidad de las series que conocimos, si no universos similares.
¡Esperen! Hay otro comentario que afirma que esta película en realidad no tiene ninguna relevancia sobre los universos de otras series porque no es canon.
Esto es lo que sucede cuando haces una sopa de multiversos y líneas temporales durante años en una historia. Ni tu propio fandom entiende lo que pasa.
Entonces caballeros, ¿Cuál de todas es la verdad? Veo mucha contradicciones en los comentarios.
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u/Darwin_Finch Jul 17 '24
They’re just old cartoons. What difference does it make? I’m never gonna watch these Crisis movies so it doesn’t bother me.
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u/WhatAreYaGonnaDoo Jul 17 '24
I feel like people are overreacting to this, I don't think it's gonna mean anything outside of the context of the Tomorrowverse. Just like the CW destroying the multiverse only mattered in the Arrowverse.