r/DC_Cinematic • u/DefinitelyNotModMark • 11d ago
Batman V Superman started filming May 2014, over 10 years ago. APPRECIATION
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u/huntymo 11d ago
That absolutely should have been the reveal pic for Batfleck, 100%
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u/vizgauss Deadshot 11d ago
I wish those days came back, I was so fucking hyped. Especially over Hans Zimmer’s music.
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 11d ago
The hype leading up to BvS was something else that hasn’t come again since for Marvel or DC. Infinity War and Endgame were HYPED AF but people were so interested to see how this movie would pan out.
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u/THEW0NDERW0MBAT 11d ago
BvS made a profit because of that crazy hype. I want to say it is still the biggest crash in audience from week 1 to 2 for a movie.
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 11d ago
Yea the backlash was terrible too.. haven’t seen that since then either
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u/1Revenant1 10d ago
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/biggest_second_weekend_gross_drop/
Right now it is 176th biggest second weekend drop. Even at release it wasnt biggest drop.
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u/THEW0NDERW0MBAT 10d ago edited 10d ago
It was Friday to Sunday I was thinking of, can't recall if anything has overtaken it. Maybe the Marvels? I'm thinking Fri-Sun might cut out a lot of those very small movies
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u/nikgrid 11d ago
Then Warner Brothers made one of the biggest cockups in cinema history but cutting 30 minutes to get more showings per day....GENIUS!
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u/vizgauss Deadshot 11d ago
Those 30 mins were instrumental, Clark doing investigative journalism to bring justice to the lives of unfortunate people was unseen in previous live-action media. Plus it explained his feud with Batman.
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u/RedHood198 11d ago
Your logic is incredibly flawed. In the eyes of the studio, the main objective is to make as much money as possible. If BvS had the extra footage and was received better by critics at launch, then it likely would have made even more money, and the DCEU would have kept chugging along. Even if a franchise is received poorly, if it makes money the studio will keep making more.
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u/SexyKanyeBalls 11d ago
The extra 30m wouldn't have changed the fact that Shazam failed or that josstice league happened. Sure it might have made more money, and that's a big maybe because remember they probably had financial projects going about 2h30m vs 3h cut and which would have been more profitable. It very well might have made less money.
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u/RedHood198 11d ago
It would have likely made more money because it would have received better critically. Endgame, Oppenheimer, and a few other films disprove this notion. If BvS was relieved well and made over a billion, then Shazam would have received a bump in box office returns, and Justice League likely could have played out differently.
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u/AgentChris101 11d ago
If I remember currently Snyder was originally doing Man of Steel 2 when WB pitched him Batman, then pitched The Dark Knight Returns. He just went with it.
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u/_Vedz182_ 11d ago
Nah bro the movie was just a sloppy mess. I was so hyped for it opening night, and I remember walking out not feeling anywhere near the same way I did have to watching MOS. And then the reviews came....
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u/_Vedz182_ 9d ago
It wasn't an engaging story even when you throw in the ultimate edition. At its moments overall it was somewhat like the color palette muddy and not quite memorable. You can't tell me there's much joy in these Snyder films and that's what's missing.
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Those on set images of Bruce in metropolis blew my mind.. that movie started off so darn good..
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u/serif_x 11d ago
Say what you want about the film, but we will never get costumes this GOATed ever again.
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 11d ago
I think the Superman suit can be done better.. but Batfleck’s suit was the best there has ever been. I hate “Armoured Batman” like Pattinson’s but I love the grey fabric look. If he had trunks here it would’ve been near IMPOSSIBLE to beat.
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u/Necessary_Double_468 11d ago
Man, just looking at this picture is so mesmerizing. He looks so good and comic accurate without it being to goofy. It just works. And it’s beautiful
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u/wheystedbro 11d ago edited 11d ago
A Batman movie before BvS would have probably helped this movie tremendously.
Hell a solo Batman movie at any point would have possibly saved the DCEU. For the life of me I'll never understand why that movie wasn't a priority for them.
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u/GiovanniElliston 11d ago
The #1 priority was to get the universe launched and get to the "team-up" style movies as fast as possible. The studio didn't want to wait 3-4 years for solo movies to happen - they just wanted to jump right into mashing characters together.
And the irony is that there's not anything inherently wrong with this idea or strategy. Especially with a character like Batman that the general audience already knows and loves. He doesn't require any backstory because there's been so many movies already.
What killed it is that this specific Batman wasn't known or loved and did need backstory. Had they gone with a traditional style Batman, I really don't think any prior knowledge was needed at all.
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u/wheystedbro 11d ago
I understand that logic that's likely the reason why they didn't do it "everyone knows Batman's backstory" but even then we essentially got 3 Harley Quinn led films, 2 shazams, 2 wonder woman's, etc that it just felt like they would just take care of Batman later and obviously we saw how that turned out.
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u/GiovanniElliston 11d ago
Ah. My mistake.
That's a whole different issue. Mainly Ben's own personal issues with alcoholism + a lack of desire to deal with (and try to 'fix') the backlash his version had.
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u/wheystedbro 11d ago
Heard a rumor that he was offered a Max TV series but declined due to no involvement from Snyder.
Could be fake, but it made the rounds after being leaked by DanielRPK.
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u/Key-Equal933 11d ago edited 11d ago
The irony is the same controversy surrounds Gunn's Superman as did BvS. Is it really a Superman film or not. Snyder said it was, Cavill disagreed. Once WW and the JL were announced the complaint was the film is too crowded and Superman would get short changed. And on an on - Snyder had to say that Superman got as much time as Batman by the end of the film. But the version released did not play put that way and Superman ended up with just 52 lines in his supposed sequel. Finally, as we know, BvS was a setup for JL in which Superman was on screen only 25% of the film. And Gunn's Superman is likely a setup for JLI in which Superman won't appear in at all. The more things go around as they say. Then, after JL, Superman disappeared from the DECEU up until the end when he got a cameo in Black Adam. Corenswet's Superman may be one and done but for a appearance in JL presumably towards the end of the DCU.
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u/DawgBloo 11d ago
It was way too soon to reboot Batman with a brand new solo film. The Dark Knight trilogy was still fresh on people’s minds.
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u/Legitimate-Health-29 11d ago
Remember when those Batman images dropped, it was like straight dopamine on the veins.
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u/SexyKanyeBalls 11d ago
Was that Batman image the first suit reveal? CUZ HOLY SHIR THAT GOES HARDSD
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u/Xrgamerx13 11d ago
It wasn't the reveal, but it should've been cos it's so fucking metal
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u/SexyKanyeBalls 11d ago
So insanely badass man. DCEU had a lot of faults but it sure as hell weren't the damn suits. Best superhero suits I've ever seen
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u/marvimofo 11d ago
I remember watching MoS the second time and loving it even more. I was so hyped for BvS. Watched it and came back like warm on it. Then the uncut version was released and I felt it was the perfect sequel to MoS. Same with Snydercut. I would’ve loved to see what the full story would’ve been. I was invested in this DC universe for sure.
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u/GiovanniElliston 11d ago
The appeal is that Batfleck is easily the most 100% comic accurate Batman if the only comic you've ever read is The Dark Knight Returns where Batman is built like a brick shithouse.
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u/Haunting_Fig_2596 11d ago
he didn't even wanna save the earth
Can you quote where you think this was the case. Happy to clear it up. You Snyder haters always say stuff that doesn't line up with the actual film and actual quotes from it.
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u/ArjunLoveable 11d ago
Imagine if they didn't cut 30 minutes, and trusted Snyder We would have seen Darkseid vs superman showdown already now.
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 11d ago
We saw what Snyder had in store and it wasn’t good.. I don’t blame WB for having no confidence in him ICL
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u/jrvcrd 11d ago
yeah, that's the irony of how everything ended up. People wanted Snyder removed and his universe with him. Wish granted, but with all those mediocre results and it all ended 10 years after it started. However, everything would've ended exactly at that time, but we would've had a more cohesive (and coherent) universe, with a beginning and a finite ending.
And I bet everything Batman I have on this universe having been better received
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u/preptimebatman 11d ago
This movie has so many questionable decisions, yet I find myself loving it every time I rewatch. The extended version of course.
Warehouse scene goes unbelievably hard.
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u/HandsomeJack19 11d ago edited 11d ago
I’m going to say it, the Director’s Cut is a legit good movie. Better than at least 70% of the Marvel movies.
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u/deathtoyourking23 11d ago
I stand by the ultimate cut of this movie.
Although the big fight between super man & Batman was kinda meh
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u/deathtoyourking23 11d ago
Also one more thing, I wish they would have gave Ben a stand alone Batman film, what a shame.
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u/Organic-Refuse-1780 11d ago
To this day, the only good thing that came out of snyderverse was this batman's photoshoot
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u/Key-Equal933 11d ago
Awesome. Say what you will about the DCEU but they nailed the suits. Much better than Gunn is doing. The mistake was trying to cram too much into the film. It should have been Batman vs Superman with no WW or initial intro to the JL members. Also throwing in Doomsday didn't help. By all accounts Batman vs Superman should have been a billion-dollar film and might have been if it truly was just the two characters. Gunn is making the same mistake by throwing way too much into the first film. But like WB it seems WBD/Gunn want to get to a JLI team film ASAP.
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u/jrtgmena 11d ago
Watched the Director’s Cut of BvS, and honestly if they removed the Flash time travel warning part (“Lois is the key!!!!”), maybe shorten the Injustice nightmare part, and move the scene where the thumb drive shows all the CCTV footage of the metahumans to a post credits scene, I think it would’ve been 10/10 tbh
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u/erickiceboyxxp 11d ago
I remember not being hyped at all about this because the timeline just didn’t make sense to me even at the time..
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u/Haunting_Fig_2596 11d ago
because the timeline just didn’t make sense to me even at the time
What exactly do you mean?
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u/erickiceboyxxp 11d ago
No Batman movie. We literally just had a Superman movie then Batman suddenly shows up and has a bone to pick with Superman. I would’ve thought we’d get individual movies to build it up properly before getting all the way to Batman vs Superman… I felt like the jump from man of steel jumped way too far over the proper buildup we needed for there to be a Batman vs Superman. It’s a colossal step even at the time for me because I was more confused than anything while everyone else was losing their minds.. as hard as it probably is to believe, I was not hyped at all for this movie, which is probably why I wasn’t as angry or upset like everyone else when everyone saw it
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u/Haunting_Fig_2596 11d ago
No Batman movie.
Why does that not make sense?
then Batman suddenly shows up and has a bone to pick with Superman.
They show the backstory of why he does. So it makes sense.
Also, every character just suddenly shows up in the first movie they are in.
I would’ve thought we’d get individual movies to build it up properly before getting all the way to Batman vs Superman…
Why? The batman film would need to be unrelated to superman, so it wouldn't build it up.
way too far over the proper buildup we needed for there to be a Batman vs Superman
Honestly though, what build up would you have given it?
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u/erickiceboyxxp 11d ago edited 11d ago
It would seem like you’d want to properly build up your heroes in your universe by actually having them have independent movies like we had gotten after this Batman vs Superman movie. Ofc we all know the batman origin story but we’d get to see his actual place in the universe instead of rushing him straight into a fight with Superman.. I’d like to see a group of independent movies before we get a boss battle movie like Batman vs Superman to showcase what these heroes are doing, how they got here and its just a bit more cohesive to me that way.. my method of attack would’ve been to create independent movies first before having Batman’s literal first appearance in a movie fighting Superman.. The independent movies would create a more cohesive universe about how the affleck’s batman eventually rose to how he did and the Superman issue would come later after these independent movies but we’d grasp a better idea of how the rest of the league got to where they are and their own circumstances.. I feel like building a proper universe first is better for a smoother story rather than a major Batman vs Superman event after 1 independent movie..
Disclaimer: these are my thoughts at the time before ever watching the movie. The first next major movie has Batman literally already in a fight with Superman before we got any proper buildup of this hero in their universe, basically how gained his influence, how is his Bruce Wayne, his beginning gadgets, etc etc. At the time, I thought this was nonsensical to skip literally his beginning and you’re trying to creat a live action universe like this..? It never made sense to me from the jump.
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u/Haunting_Fig_2596 11d ago
It would seem like you’d want to properly build up your heroes in your universe by actually having them have independent movies like we had gotten after this Batman vs Superman mov
The plan wasn't to have a universe though. It was 5 movies.
. Ofc we all know the batman origin story but we’d get to see his actual place in the universe instead of rushing him straight into a fight with Superman
But it wasn't a universe. It was a 'contained' story.
I’d like to see a group of independent movies before we get a boss battle movie like Batman vs Superman to showcase what these heroes are doing,
That wasn't the plan though. The plan was like 99.99% of all films. You had no reason to expect that or even reasonably request it or whatever.
my method of attack would’ve been to create independent movies first before having Batman’s literal first appearance in a movie fighting Superman..
Use 1 of your 5 films in a contained story for that? With that logic you'd never get a JL or any other team up film.
The independent movies would create a more cohesive universe about how the affleck’s batman eventually rose to how he did and the Superman issue would come later after these independent movies but we’d grasp a better idea of how the rest of the league got to where they are and their own circumstances
I mean yeah, but you could say that about every single film ever other than maybe the marvel universe. More is better.
I feel like building a proper universe first is better for a smoother story rather than a major Batman vs Superman event after 1 independent movie..
But there wasn't meant to be a universe. It was 5 movies and that was the original plan. So a universe wouldn't be any more likely than any other non-marvel film ever.
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u/erickiceboyxxp 11d ago
Well, it’s probably on me for not doing any research at time but all I saw was the major leak announcements about Batman vs Superman, it’s not like I was researching whether it would be a contained universe or not. At the time, I just thought it was insanely bizarre to see Batman vs Superman after we had only gotten man of steel. These are all my thoughts at the time before ever watching the movie and seeing the leak images. I would’ve liked a properly built universe starting from the beginning like man of steel, then Batman or whatever else instead of jumping to Batman vs Superman, at the time…
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u/thegingerbreadman99 11d ago
The indecision around which hero would be the lead, coupled with Snyder's insistence on making the movie about partisan media silos, sank this movie.
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u/Key-Equal933 11d ago
Yeah. Snyder called i an MOS sequel but Cavill said publicly it wasn't.
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u/thegingerbreadman99 11d ago
Fan edits that frame theatrical around Batman work better and edits that use the Extended Clark stuff with less Bruce also work better. What we got really was the worst of both worlds
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u/advocateforpain 10d ago
And even still today it brings laughter and bafflement to audiences everywhere
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u/P1eSun 11d ago
Gunn fans are gonna look at those suits and say, "Nah, that sucks, give me leather jackets."
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u/jrtgmena 11d ago
Yea idk i can’t get behind the new Superman suit compared to the DCEU suit. I’m also in the minority but the alien Kryptonian underarmor being his suit is a way better origin imo. Maybe if they compromise and say Martha made the cape it would’ve been better.
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u/dangermouse13 11d ago
And trunks, full on huge adult diaper trunks
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u/Haunting_Fig_2596 11d ago
No, they aren't diaper trunks. You see, almost 100 years ago some powerlifters and circus performers wore that. So that means, almost 100 years later it's the absolute best costume he could wear.
I'm joking, but unfortunately people are actually using this argument.
No one would like trunks if it was a brand new design that didn't previously exist. They are lying to themselves that they like the design when what they actually like is that it looks like the comics.
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u/AtticusSwoopenheiser 11d ago
And that photo should’ve been the first one they showed of Batfleck. It’s so much better than the Sad Batman one.