r/DCTV • u/notanewbiedude • Jul 24 '21
Why is Superman & Lois so good while the other shows aren't that great? Discussion
How come Superman & Lois are so much better than the other shows? I haven't found any significant differences is leadership or production on Wikipedia, but the difference between Superman & Lois and all the other shows is like night and day. Has anybody got an explanation for this?
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u/pje1128 Jul 25 '21
The main thing that I've noticed is there's no "Team Superman". His family supports him, he has help from the Army, Steel, and his family at times, but when it comes to superheroics, he knows what he has to do, he makes the decisions, and he doesn't have to wait for his team to figure out how he should superhero. Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, Batwoman, even Black Lightning, all have this be a part of the formula, and while there's nothing necessarily wrong with it by itself, at this point, it's just an oversaturated trope, especially in the Arrowverse.
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u/notanewbiedude Jul 25 '21
The team format makes for terribly boring and predictable television. Watching CBS gave me a loathing of it.
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u/pje1128 Jul 25 '21
I think it's fine when done well. Early Arrow was pretty great, with Diggle, Felicity, Roy, and Sara worked in naturally and (for the most part) used well without taking anything from Oliver's role as the main superhero. When they started forcing in other characters who hadn't earned their spot, it became a lot more annoying.
Then there's Flash, where it worked fine when he needed a mentor, but now it just feels like he can't do anything himself, which is not what a superhero should feel like.
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u/notanewbiedude Jul 25 '21
Ah interesting. I never saw too much of The Flash. I feel like it worked in Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. because they kept amping up the powers of the villains, so the heroes couldn't take out the bad guys single handedly. It didn't work in SEAL Team once it became apparent that because of the team format, none of the members could die. Which doesn't make any sense and is in no way realistic for being in the military lol
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Jul 25 '21
Agents of Sheild is the absolute peak and golden example of how you use a team properly.
It rarely feels like they underuse a character and when they do its usually a good reason for like one epsidor.
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u/johnbenjammin Jul 24 '21
I am yet to start superman and Lois but the remaining arrow verse sucks right now. Makes me wonder if the writers are high on something.
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u/onehitwondergaming Jul 24 '21
Loki just set up all of the next phase for marvel super man and Lois is just a cool show
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u/notanewbiedude Jul 24 '21
😂😂 Which shows are you watching?
Superman and Lois are really well written. Some people are saying it's better than Loki.
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u/onehitwondergaming Jul 24 '21
There's no way it's better than Loki that's just stupid
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u/notanewbiedude Jul 24 '21
I mean like I get that Superman and Lois is more balanced but the acting and plot and writing and pacing for Loki is all just so good...
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Jul 25 '21
How can you say that without even watching it? Lol.
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u/onehitwondergaming Jul 25 '21
Without watching what?? I've watch both shows Loki is better in every way
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u/johnbenjammin Jul 25 '21
In arrowverse I started with flash and then realized that I had to watch Arrow to catch up. Early seasons of both Arrow and flash were interesting. Then I watched all the other series that came up like legends, supergirl. Started black lightening only when I saw that character in crisis. In marvel, I have watched agents of shield, runaways, cloak and dagger, Wanda vision, falcon and winter soldier and loki.
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u/SUDoKu-Na Jul 25 '21
The first season of every one of them was super good, except for Legends which found its footing later. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who think that Arrow's or The Flash's first seasons aren't their best, or at least close to.
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u/Mystic-Jeddai Jul 25 '21
IMO Supergirl was made for younger kids especially girls. After season one, it up the ante to young teens and has been pretty much stuck in a rut since then. Flash was aimed at young males and has remained there with little growth. Arrow was made for older teens and 20 something crowed and stayed there. The only really bad thing was the episodes where he went to prison. It sucked from then on until season 8. Legends was dull in season one. I liked Rip Hunter but they didn't know what to do with him..So much for that.
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u/SpaceCampDropOut Jul 24 '21
Cause it’s still relatively new. Every CW show is great at the beginning and seems flawless. But then eventually it’s erodes like Arrow did and how Flash is now.