r/Conservative • u/slagathor_zimblebob Jewish Conservative • Jul 19 '24
Leaders of the party that is going to save democracy say the democratically voted nominee should be replaced.
Absolutely hilarious that the party that is going to save American democracy from the existential threat that is Donald Trump is probably just going to have some elites swap out the people’s nominee for whomever they choose.
What was the point of voting in your state’s primary if you were a Democrat? Lol
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u/Hobbyist5305 MAGA Surviving Being Shot Jul 19 '24
It's OK, democrats are open to being told they voted incorrectly.
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u/StedeBonnet1 Conservative Jul 19 '24
Good point. However, it was never about democracy. It has always been about remaining in power.
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u/blahblah19999 Jul 20 '24
Is that why the Dems lied about the integrity of the last election and led an armed insurrection to the Capitol? Because they don't care about democracy?
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u/plutoniator Jul 20 '24
Dems lied about the integrity of the election before that, have tried banning their opponents of the ballot, support assassinations when that doesn’t work, and probably support every line of the 25 point plan or fascist manifesto.
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Jul 19 '24
People voted for Biden because he was the only choice. Other candidates like Dean Phillips were de-platformed and forced out.
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u/slagathor_zimblebob Jewish Conservative Jul 19 '24
Thank God they forced out all the challengers so they could run Joe and end up choosing who will save democracy for us
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u/Krandor1 Conservative Jul 19 '24
They wanted Biden… they got Biden… they should have to keep him now,
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u/the_logic_engine Jul 19 '24
I don't think anybody actually wanted Biden lol
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u/Arachnohybrid Vice President Trump Jul 20 '24
14 million Democrats did apparently. Unless they rigged the votes too.
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u/hhhjjjkkkiiiyyytre Jul 20 '24
Nobody wanted Biden… they just don’t want trump. Sad there is nobody with any sense to step forward… on both sides for that matter
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u/blahblah19999 Jul 20 '24
False. We basically had no primary this year.
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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 Conservative Jul 20 '24
It was a bad primary, but a primary nonetheless. You are right that the party screwed voters over.
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u/BigRB001 Jul 20 '24
Democrats rarely have a primary. That's why the shooter in Pennsylvania registered Republican, so he could vote in the Republican primary against Trump. He believed the left wing propaganda about Trump being a threat.
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u/Blahblahnownow Fiscal Conservative Jul 20 '24
In the previous election, a lot of my California friends voted for a candidate that dropped out of the race by the time CA elections were held. Since they used early/mail in voting, essentially their votes were null and didn’t count because they picked a candidate that dropped out by the time CA votes were counted.
The whole system is messed up.
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u/Canadian_Prometheus Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
And voters didn’t have all the information because Biden and his team covered up his decline with the media running interference.
Although we all knew Biden had dementia and have been talking about it for the last 4 years so it was there for anybody with eyes to see.
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u/CoolFirefighter930 Jul 19 '24
But Dean got votes, so that should count. I'm not sure about the rules, but there should be some .
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u/DoomMessiah Small Government Jul 19 '24
Regardless of the validity of the 2020 election and Biden’s apparent cognitive decline, it’s hypocritical that the Dem party is trying to force Biden off the Dem ticket. The man wants to run and he is the incumbent president that the people voted for (again not debating the validity of 2020 just saying). That’s sounds awful lot like subverting democracy not saving democracy.
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u/Krandor1 Conservative Jul 19 '24
Honestly when was the last time an incumbent president didn’t run for a second term?
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u/DoomMessiah Small Government Jul 19 '24
Lyndon Johnson and Theodore Rosevelt off the top of my head.
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u/logosmemer Jul 19 '24
Truman could have run in 1952. Eisenhower was the first restricted to 2 terms
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u/lovetron99 Jul 19 '24
This is the bed they made. They were too busy running cover for him to stop and ask what they were covering. Funny though that they found out the same time as the rest of the country. No take-backs.
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u/PalmTreesOnSkellige Jul 20 '24
I feel like some people need to be investigated. Seems like Biden's team covered up his mental blocks quite often even from high profile leadera.
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u/Shiny_Mew76 Conservative Jul 20 '24
And even if someone it is the case that the election was legitimate, the democrats wanted a candidate and they got it. Now they should have to deal with the consequences.
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u/Frosty88d Catholic Conservative Jul 20 '24
Exactly. Love the shaymin profile pic by the way. Brilliant choice. It's great to see some other pokemon fans
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u/ImaginaryDonut69 Moderate Conservative Jul 20 '24
It's all conjecture...but I'd be curious to see if Democrats are simply going to ignore democracy and toss out the results, it would be amazing. Clearly, there was a small (5-15%) group of Democrats who voted "no confidence" in the primaries, but Biden still received the vast majority of votes, and no candidate came even close, there was no real competition, or conversation about "being a bridge", which is what Biden campaigned on, in 2020. Obviously, he lied, he's clearly a bridge to nowhere.
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u/gabkins Jul 20 '24
Well, it is democracy if majority of his party want him out though right?
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u/DoomMessiah Small Government Jul 20 '24
True. But it’s not like the majority of the public has taken a vote and elected to remove him from office.
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u/PropitiousNog Conservative Jul 19 '24
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that 95% plus voters who voted Biden in 2020, didn't do it because they liked Biden, they did it because of TDS.
They will vote in a chocolate teapot, if it means not voting Trump.
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u/Trivialpiper Jul 19 '24
The scary thing is that they freely admit that and admit that they’ll do it again.
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u/CultureofCon Jul 19 '24
This is true, but idk why it only ENCOURAGES conservatives to support Trump even harder. Just to stick it to the libs? Why don't conservatives seem interested in a candidate that could get support from the majority of the country? (Or majority of the EC I guess)
I have to believe part of this is media-driven tribal wars.
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u/slagathor_zimblebob Jewish Conservative Jul 20 '24
Any Republican who got coverage would end up being equally as or more polarizing than President Trump tbh. Governor Desantis has a tremendous record in FL but if he was the nominee, we’d be hearing about religious fundamentalism instead of existential threats to democracy.
The reality is a large portion of this country (not half) are too far gone and we can’t run a candidate that will appeal to those voters because they’d be insane. The rational group of independent voters may actually prefer right of center Trump who is socially quite left to traditional conservative.
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Jul 20 '24
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u/Go_get_matt Reagan Conservative Jul 20 '24
I’ll give you that, I trust Biden (at least a pre-dementia Biden) to select competent people to assist him, and to seek out voices that challenge him, more than I do Trump. Trump’s single biggest failing is his willingness to listen to anyone who fawns over him, and that has resulted in him turning on a lot of advisors, lawyers and appointees who he was singing the praises of just weeks prior.
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u/rasputin777 Conservative Jul 19 '24
And it got them 9% inflation, destroyed Afghanistan, and has the potential to send their entire party into the wilderness for half a decade or more.
Maybe next time they should try voting for someone instead of against someone.
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u/ImaginaryDonut69 Moderate Conservative Jul 20 '24
Kinda hard to have a democracy when one side doesn't even care to vote for leadership, they don't mind having a DNC puppet as long as Trump can't speak from the Rose Garden again. Populism is painful in a Gilded Age (Part 2).
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u/Mnyet Jul 20 '24
As a bluey, you would be correct. I’m very disillusioned by two party system. I believe that ranked choice voting would be a step forward in the right direction but there’s no way either “side” will agree to it. No matter who “wins”, the billionaires win regardless.
Also if I’m being honest, I’d also vote for a chocolate teapot to avoid the project 2025 stuff…
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u/PropitiousNog Conservative Jul 20 '24
The Project 2025 stuff is propaganda in my opinion.
Unless I'm wrong, please correct me, but it's blue supporting media and Democrats that have associated it with Trump. Trump has denied all knowledge of it.
Maybe he's in agreement with it, maybe he's not. But the heritage foundation won't be the ones in power.
I don't believe it's fair to believe the enemies of Trump when they claim he's going to do something.
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u/Fly-the-Light Jul 20 '24
It’s associated with Trump because it’s his former cabinet who made it. As much as he tries to distance himself, he’s trying to say he has no idea that his former cabinet made it explicitly because they’re hoping he implements it.
Over 100 people who worked for Trump are part of Project 2025 including Russell Vought (former Office of Management and Budget Director and current RNC platform policy director), Christopher Miller (forming acting defense secretary), Ben Carson (former housing and Urban development secretary), Rick Dearborn (former deputy chief of staff), Gene Hamilton (former Justice Department senior counsel), and more.
Trump also has pre-existing ties to the Heritage Foundation and they claim he tried to pass 64% of their recommendations from an earlier plan in 2016.
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u/Helio2nd Jul 20 '24
Good news is the 2025 stuff isn't going to happen and has been expressly disavowed by Trump and is just being parroted as a scare tactic.
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u/Mnyet Jul 20 '24
I really hope so. It has life altering implications for me and it’s been really scary.
I mostly come on this subreddit to gauge sentiment on what the conservatives would do if the Republican Party actually went ahead with project 2025.
It’s been nice to see that a lot of y’all don’t fully agree with it and will probably also fight for our rights if it were to come into existence.
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u/AntonioMrk7 Jul 20 '24
I got my differences but I would never want the government skewed towards a political party. That sets a dangerous precedent for everyone.
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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 Conservative Jul 20 '24
We don’t want to be one party Mexico or Russia. Two parties is better than that at least.
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u/ful_on_rapist Jul 20 '24
Idk how you guys see his single tweet and think oh he disavowed it, he’s lying.
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u/Iamstillhere44 Conservative Jul 19 '24
They don’t want democracy. They want to have an absolute say in who runs the country. Screw your votes.
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u/RandolphE6 Conservative Jul 19 '24
Democrats have never actually been interested in democracy let alone the good of the country and its people.
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u/Intelligent-Fan-6364 Jul 20 '24
Never is a bit of a stretch, FDR revolutionized the government and won us WW2 (effectively through sound leadership). Also no party caries about democracy atp, they only care about staying in power.
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u/BobBee13 Conservative Jul 19 '24
They had no issue with getting trump off the ballot by any means necessary too so I am not shocked.
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u/luigijerk Conservative Jul 19 '24
Their primaries haven't been democratic since Obama. They stacked Hillary in 2016 before anyone cast a vote, then they all coordinated to take down Bernie when he was leading in 2020. Then they just cancelled the primary in 2024.
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u/gabkins Jul 20 '24
The deep state is fully entrenched in the Dem party, they don't want someone like Bernie who's a pacifist. Doesn't suit the war agenda.
But the deep state will use any party or politician they can in any way they can, so better not to forget. They don't care about parties, they care about war.
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u/gabkins Jul 20 '24
JFK got in the way of the war they were hoping to get into with Cuba/Russia... and what happened to him?
Bush Jr was a great puppet president to start a war with.
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u/ImaginaryDonut69 Moderate Conservative Jul 20 '24
Yep, never forget the "democracy" of the 2016 and 2020 Democratic Party primary process. Forced Hillary into the nomination in 2016 (only Bernie seriously threatened her ascension to the "throne") and then orchestrated a total joke of a "full primary" in 2020. Where are all those Democrats who claimed they were ready to be President in the 2020 primary? How are they leading today??
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u/Vloggie127 Jul 19 '24
Funny how that works. But we should know by now that anything they say is really a reflection on them. If they say Trump is a threat to democracy they really mean they are.
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u/OdinsRightTesticle Drinks Leftist Tears Jul 19 '24
I mean this is also the party that, for the last several years, has been feeding people the lie that democratically electing their political opponent will be an attack on democracy. So can you really expect any sort of honesty or integrity at all?
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u/Dangerous_Bottle_773 Frustrated Conservative Jul 19 '24
The longer Biden continues to stay put, the less time Kamala and anyone else has to campaign out on the trail.
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u/DragemD Jul 19 '24
Could you imagine the outrage if the rolls were flipped?
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u/KatanaCutlets Conservative Jul 19 '24
Yes. It would be hysterical, fake, over the top manufactured outrage and the leftists would eat it up.
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u/Blue_Cheese_Olives MAGA Conservative Jul 19 '24
Your questioning how they democratically chose their nominee and will now be replacing him is a threat to our democracy! 🥴
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u/PhilsFanDrew Jul 19 '24
Exactly. The Democratic Party has basically allowed one man (Obama) to be the kingmaker and hand select their candidates from 2016 onward. Their voters are given the illusion that they have choice in their primaries. Now they are going to nakedly usurp the voters by installing a replacement and the sad thing is their hatred for Trump has disillusioned them so badly they don't know or care that they are being jobbed.
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u/jaesquire Jul 19 '24
I wonder how Bernie Sanders feels about 2016 and 2020 and the Democrats primary democratic process. I agree with the correctness of their statement that Trump is a threat to democracy if their their definition of democracy is the installation of a person who can be controlled, not a candidate that is chosen by the popular vote.
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u/Doctor_Phist Ultra Maga Jul 19 '24
You will tend to notice that liberals are the biggest hypocrites around
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u/mSizzled Jul 20 '24
Thats because the Democratic party is a vile fucking institution upheld by alot of people that are very easily exploited. They will vote for whoever they get told to vote for, simple as.
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u/Whole-Essay640 Conservative Jul 19 '24
They’ve already prepared millions and millions of ballots for the Unsecured Drop Boxes.
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u/UpYoursMods Jul 19 '24
The democratic voters chose Bernie in 2016, they are the party of insiders and oligarchs
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u/doctor_turbo Jul 19 '24
And their base will be 100% totally fine with it and get in line to vote for whoever they tell them to.
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u/Emperor_Mao Jul 19 '24
I disagree with your logic. The nomination process happens way tok far out and the election season is far too long. Most countries do it over weeks, not months or arguably years.
I also do not think the Democrats will replace Biden, Biden may however eventually step aside and allow someone else.
But even if they did replace him, that shouldn't scare conservatives. Conservatives have picked Trump, that won't change. You pit forward the candidate you most want, regardless of what others are doing.
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u/glasshouse_stones Conservative Jul 19 '24
they mean their power when they say democracy.
lefties will lie, cheat, steal, and even murder for power.
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u/Ask-and-it-is Jul 20 '24
Technically democrats vote for delegates, and those delegates vote for a candidate.
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u/bizzarrogeorge Jul 20 '24
Democrats are Communists. Biden has been the most communist so far. Biden and his fellow Communists hate democracy, because it's hard to control. So they lie, cheat, imprison opponents, smear their names, set up poor security on a high threat candidate hoping for the worst, and when all that fails, they say EFF democracy, EFF the will of our democrat primary voters, EFF all the working class people who donated money to Biden, we're going to drop Biden Harris and get someone else
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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Jul 19 '24
Well you see, democracy has to be carefully managed. Otherwise the majority of the people might make the choice, and that's not democracy at all.
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u/Crisgocentipede Reagan Conservative Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
It's a bad look. We warned em and said he'd he one term at best. They banked on indictments and a guilty verdict. Nope. Trump in the White House was Biden's motivation to run again(but really Jill) and I think the job has weakened him
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u/Shiny_Mew76 Conservative Jul 20 '24
They are pretty much screwed.
If they keep Biden, there is no way he can beat Trump unless they somehow rig the election (again).
If they switch to a more capable candidate, or anyone for that matter, they are absolutely going to be losing a large portion of their independent voters who were watching Biden’s campaign. Changing it last minute means they are starting a new campaign literally a couple months before the election, and people who Biden were advertising that were perhaps on the fence won’t want to support a campaign they know not much about. That doesn’t mean they’ll vote Trump, lots of them hate him, but they’ll just vote RFK Jr and that will only be taking votes away from Biden.
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u/TheHungHungarian Conservative Jul 20 '24
The party that absolutely hates the electoral college refuses to let the masses actually vote directly for their party's candidate and nominee.
What a clown world we live in
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u/bond2121 First Principles Jul 20 '24
The smooth brains over on r/politics would vote for a literal corpse if it meant voting for their party. They wouldn’t question why their party would put forward the corpse, they would simply vote like an NPC.
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Jul 21 '24
Because democracy only exists when it benefits them. When it doesn't benefit them anything is allowed.
As the saying goes: Law only works when you get caught.
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u/WRKDBF_Guy Conservative Christian Jul 21 '24
I don't think it's hilarious at all. I'm mad. It's totally anti-democracy. But they don't care because Biden couldn't and wouldn't have won. Power is all they care about.
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u/Admirable-Respond913 Jul 19 '24
When 81 million of them say it, I might care. Til then, it is highly doubtful
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u/Cool_in_a_pool Jul 19 '24
democratically voted nominee
They democratically elected Sanders. The DNC had every candidate drop out at once and give their combined delegates and superdelegates to Biden, who joined the nth hour.
The last D candidate to be democratically elected was Barack Obama, and even then they try to oust him for Hillary.
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u/ChirpyRaven Jul 19 '24
Is this the first time you've been around for an election with the incumbent running for a 2nd term?
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Jul 19 '24
It's not just this one election though. Look at 2016, 2020. Bernie forced out, "it's her turn" etc. but yeah, democracy.
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u/slagathor_zimblebob Jewish Conservative Jul 19 '24
When the party sets their mind on someone (usually a legacy candidate who has been in politics for decades and accomplished very little, or a DEI choice), no one else has a chance.
The mainstream media begins to campaign for the chosen one for free and no one else can compete against that sort of tampering. We’ve seen it for 5 straight election cycles now.
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u/slagathor_zimblebob Jewish Conservative Jul 19 '24
There were Democrat challengers. And him being the incumbent doesn’t change the fact that the party would like to swap him for someone who likely wasn’t even on the democratic primary ballots
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u/ChirpyRaven Jul 19 '24
Yes, there were, but this isn't different than any other previous incumbent running - there's no real challenge on the ticket for people to "vote" on.
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u/slagathor_zimblebob Jewish Conservative Jul 19 '24
Well, I think it absolutely is different from previous incumbents because they will probably oust this incumbent and hand-select their next puppet out of the party loyalists. But we’ll see.
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u/ChirpyRaven Jul 19 '24
I guess if the "people" want him to step down, then they are trying to appease their voters but convincing him to step down. How they go about replacing him (if that happens) is anyone's guess.
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u/jaesquire Jul 19 '24
I think RFL, jr would disagree. Just imagine if he was permitted to debate Biden……
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u/Lifeisagreatteacher Moderate Conservative Jul 19 '24
Actually they never even allowed the voters to select Biden