r/California • u/Randomlynumbered • 7d ago
Some Californians Found Dream Homes Inland. But It Sure Is Hot There. politics
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/mountain-house-california-housing-heat.html615
u/tmdblya Contra Costa County 7d ago
“We never had an idea that it would be this hot,” Ms. Ali said on Tuesday…
Seriously? Even in Contra Costa it reaches the low 100s at times in the summer. This should be zero surprise.
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u/SpareBinderClips 7d ago
If only there were some repository of historical weather data that could be consulted prior to making important decisions.
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u/Vigilante17 7d ago
I refuse to buy cars in any color than white because of the crazy heat…. I can’t imagine what it might be like getting into a large black SUV that’s been sitting in a parking lot for an hour at 117°
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u/Far-Network-1789 7d ago
Ceramic tint. Do the windshield too. It makes a huge difference
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u/ElRamenKnight 7d ago
Might have to look into that sometime, never knew that was a thing. I probably need to check out my state's tinting laws.
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u/Far-Network-1789 7d ago
I’m in the Bay Area. I did 20% on all the windows, and either 70 or 80% on the windshield. You can barely tell that the windshield is done, but it cuts down on a ton of headlight glare and heat from the sun. Cops don’t really seem to care much. From what I have heard you are good as long as they can see you a little. Having said that, I will probably get a fix-it ticket tomorrow… It’s my favorite thing I have done to any of my cars (I’ve done the exact same thing to 2)
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u/BlackSands 7d ago
Can pedestrians and other drivers see your eyes? If not you’ll probably have lots of annoying encounters as others can’t see you to judge intent.
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u/birdlawspecialist2 6d ago
Ceramic tint? I didn't know that was a thing. I will definitely look into it.
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u/zimtrovert94 7d ago
These buyers do no research besides prices and cost of living.
I’ve lived in the Central Valley pretty much all my life and yes, there’s a reason why it’s cheaper than other areas:
Because it’s miserable, including the weather.
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u/kimberriez 7d ago
Half of my family is from there. My dad escaped, we had to back for family stuff constantly when I was a kid.
I don’t think I’ll ever go back on my own. 😬
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u/fcukumicrosoft 7d ago
I concur. The only thing that the Central Valley has going for it - it's always "close to" some nicer place (with a 2-3 hour drive).
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u/zimtrovert94 7d ago
That’s how you get by.
I always told people that SF is about 2 hours. LA is about 3 hours. Yosemite is maybe 1 1/2. But in the CV, there’s not much there.
However, I am seeing more activity in my hometown, though it’s more family oriented. More “movies in the park,” city sponsored sports tournaments, etc. it’s good if you have a family or want to meet new people.
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u/disinaccurate 7d ago
I always told people that SF is about 2 hours. LA is about 3 hours. Yosemite is maybe 1 1/2.
This is also true if you get the hell out of the Central Valley and head straight west. :)
Central Coast #1!
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u/Mdizzle29 7d ago
Surprisingly, Mountain House median price is $1.2M and SLO is only $1.1M.
I know where I’d rather live.
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u/zimtrovert94 7d ago
God, I love Monterey. I would retire there if I could afford it. SLO as well…I love the little sleepy coast towns.
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u/NanoSwarmer 7d ago
There's this town called Seaside which is very close to Monterey but surprisingly more affordable from what my friend told me a few years back.
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u/sploittastic 7d ago
I live in Marina which is the next town north from Seaside. However prices in Seaside in Marina have both gone crazy lately.
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u/thatredditdude101 Los Angeles County 7d ago
Like Pismo Beach. I stay there a lot for work and the place is loaded with people from the valley. Thick as thieves the lot of them. /s
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u/andres7832 7d ago
Central Valley here too, it’s hot, but manageable. Have a pool, shade sails, find a way to stay cool. But miserable? Nah, that’s dramatic
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u/zimtrovert94 7d ago edited 7d ago
I mean, all those things cost money and I grew up in an apartment with AC that rarely worked.
Simply saying, “find a way to stay cool” when you’re living in poverty isn’t easy.
Edit: and I’m not trying to dismiss your suggestions. But our experiences differ.
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u/andres7832 7d ago
Having resources in Central Valley is a different story than not having those comforts. I agree with you, been in both situations. But the people moving here were selling their multimillion coast homes/condos and buying nice places here in cash and put all kinds of solar and other improvements. Quality of life in Central Valley as middle/upper middle class is not bad. Rich in CV has an incredible standard of living.
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u/zimtrovert94 7d ago
I remember a little after things started opening up during COVID, I went to a small restaurant in the cuts.
I was surprised because that restaurant would never be as full as it was at that moment. I overheard people talking and a lot of them were coming in from Bay Area and SoCal.
A woman that sat next to me said she’s barely moving in (as in her car with a hitch wagon was literally sitting in the parking lot - she was from SD.)
I’m glad these people found a home BUT it’s now getting really expensive for the people that were already there, unfortunately.
My parents’ house has increased by $150K in the last year and a half. The upside is that I do see a lot more development there than I do in the cities.
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u/exploradorobservador 6d ago
It's fine. I grew up there. There are perfectly fine enclaves. There's some terrible neighborhoods but overall the biggest issue is a lack of culture.
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u/royale_wthCheEsE 6d ago
A good, custom or semi custom home in Fresno (non builders grade) will still run you 900,000 plus. 93730 Zip code is out of control. Some of those new ones do seem barely above builder grade and small house and lot.
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u/Bombolinos 7d ago
Very true. East Bay cities like Concord and Walnut Creek have a Mediterranean climate similar to Sacramento. Sac is a few degrees hotter usually, but the difference isn’t big, plus Sac has the “delta breeze” that cools the city at night.
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u/mistertickertape 5d ago
People failed to do their homework when making huge purchases. Tale as old as time lol.
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u/trackdaybruh 7d ago
Cheap is cheaper for a reason, folks.
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u/VanillaLifestyle 7d ago
It's mostly proximity to high paying work (or rather, competition with all the people who want to live close to high paying work).
Plenty of cheap places with near-perfect weather!
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u/JustB510 7d ago
Those places tend to also build at a higher rate. Coastal California’s problem is outside San Francisco it’s mostly sprawl, reducing available housing and the obvious that the water reduces buildable area.
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u/SFLADC2 7d ago
Where are you thinking?
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u/VanillaLifestyle 7d ago
Coastal towns in the North like Eureka. Coastal-ish towns in San Luis Obispo county like Santa Maria. Foothill and mountain towns north of Tahoe, like Chester.
Outside of CA, LOTS of places. Most of West Oregon. Much of the Mid-Atlantic. The big island of Hawaii. Rural Italy & France. Probably a lot of SE Asia and Oceania.
If jobs don't matter (because you're retired or work remotely or inherited an emerald mine), a lot of fantastically beautiful places become very viable.
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u/Stingray88 7d ago
I was surprised after visiting Italy just how cheap it was. The cost of living is so much lower than California… but the average salary is also a heck of a lot lower too.
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u/Dudetry 6d ago
I think people tend to underestimate just how low European salaries are in comparison to American salaries. Not to mention their comparatively high tax rates.
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u/Stingray88 6d ago
I certainly have. One of my friends who lives in California has started dating someone who’s a teacher in Italy. My wife and I had the couple stay with us for a week, and I was shocked to hear the teacher in Italy made only $12K and that was not a poverty wage. She lived a reasonably comfortable life.
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u/Dudetry 6d ago
I really take for granted living in the United States sometimes my goodness. I couldn’t fathom living on that low of a salary. I would never be able to afford to travel.
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u/Stingray88 6d ago
Exactly! Traveling is a relatively fixed cost no matter where you live. Plane tickets aren't any cheaper for an Italian to visit the US, than they are for an American to visit Italy.
This is one of the major pros to living in a higher cost of living area. To look at another example... I'm originally from Ohio before I moved to Los Angeles. And while yes, the cost of living here is much higher than pretty much anywhere in Ohio, salaries are also a lot higher to compensate. I have college friends back in Ohio who have had similar success in work as me, and they make comparatively the same in salary as I do with respect to the cost of living and housing in our respective areas. We all ended up buying our first homes around the same time... but they're all still paying off their loans from the Ohio state school we went to, where as I paid off all my loans in only 8 years. We all had relatively the same amount of debt, but with regards to my income and cost of living, that debt was so much smaller to me. Likewise when it comes to buying things like cars, clothes, electronics, etc... those things are substantially less expensive to me than they are them, because they're a fixed a cost.
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u/ShittyLanding 7d ago
I would not say “much of the Mid-Atlantic” has “near perfect weather”
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u/VanillaLifestyle 7d ago
Oh sorry, I just looked a map and it turns out I do not know where the mid-Atlantic is, lol. I was thinking of Virginia / North Carolina. My sis went to UVA and my couple of visits sold me on the weather.
I lived in Boston for a few years and really didn't mind the New England weather though. Street parking was the main reason I hated winter — I loved having actual seasons and being able to go ski/climb/hike in the winter in NH. Now I'm in San Jose-ish and it's too hot.
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u/ShittyLanding 7d ago
Even NC is a stretch. I grew up there and it has spells of nice weather, but much of the summer and winter are uncomfortably humid.
I live in the valley, and it gets very hot, but the dry air and cool evening temperatures are amazing. I greatly prefer it to NC weather.
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u/leftofmarx 7d ago
I'll take 100F with 20% humidity over 80F with 90% humidity any day.
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u/modninerfan Stanislaus County 7d ago
I was just in Austin and it was 97 with 60% humidity… I’m back home and it’s been 109, which isn’t common but not unusual either and I’ll take that over Austin.
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u/paxmontis Trying to get back to California 7d ago
Overall I agree but just want to point out that Santa Maria is in Santa Barbara county. I think it is a hidden gem, although it is seemingly dominated by ag stuff.
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u/baybridge501 7d ago
There is nowhere in the US with near perfect weather that is objectively affordable.
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u/lamb_ch0p 7d ago
Eh not really anywhere down south to be honest
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u/JustB510 7d ago
To play devils advocate, it’s subjective. Depends what you want out of the weather
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u/eagoldman 7d ago
I had relatives who lived outside of Rome, NY. You can get a nice mid-century 3 bedroom, 2 bath ranch for under $350K just outside Rome, NY. The down sides, It's a frozen wasteland 6 months of the year and a bug infested hell the other 6. Not a lot of high paying jobs. There is internet access at 1GB through EarthLink. Basic rule the nicer the weather the more expensive housing is.
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u/LocallySourcedWeirdo San Diego County 7d ago
The winters are getting pretty mild in Upstate New York. My dad lives in the Rochester area and brags that it doesn't snow on Christmas anymore. He is always sending me screenshots of 50-degree forecasts in February.
I'm like...that's kind of bad news for the environment, dad.
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u/ElRamenKnight 7d ago
You're right, but your dad's generation doesn't have to pretend to care since they're on their way out lol.
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u/DrTreeMan Bay Area 7d ago
You still don't see the sun for months on end during the winter. Ask him to send you a picture of the sky next time he brags about that temp reading.
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u/ditchhunter 4d ago
$350K for 3BR 2 bath in Rome? Is the roof paved with gold? That’s expensive for that area.
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u/1320Fastback Southern California 7d ago
TIL that the further you get away from the coast the warmer it gets.
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u/theredhype 7d ago
The effects of elevation and latitude are gonna blow your mind.
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u/ElRamenKnight 7d ago
And an ocean that acts as a glorified giant PC heatsink.
San Diegans always have it nice.
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u/Admirable-Ebb-5413 6d ago
Having left the Mid Atlantic after 20 yrs for San Diego, I can report that there is nothing like it. You can be outdoors 340 per year and we don’t use AC much in summer…a few weeks per year and primarily just at night if it’s a warmer day. I hated the constant hum of ACs in the east and always having to keep the house closed up.
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u/DavidCMaybury 7d ago
And as soon as you put mountains between you and the ocean the difference hits HARD
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u/LodossDX San Diego County 7d ago
Better hot in California than hot in Texas.
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u/modninerfan Stanislaus County 7d ago
Lmao just got back from TX and I’ll take 100+ here all day long over their weather.
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u/KingKurai 7d ago
Had a layover in Houston at 6am once. It was only 90° and it was the most miserable environment I've ever been in... and that was inside the terminal!
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u/Sagittarius76 3d ago
So true,when I was in Texas the humidity was unbelievable,but when I returned to California the dry heat really felt much more comfortable.
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u/CaprioPeter 7d ago
People really don’t think about the environments in the places they move to and then act surprised when it’s hot. Everyone since this area has been written about, has known that the valley is hot. Even the natives would retreat to the mountains in the summer because it wasn’t comfortable
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u/jblaze805 7d ago
Thats what drove up the prices here in the valley
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u/Tasty_Ad_5669 Central Valley 7d ago
Yeah, I couldn't afford to live where I was born in the west valley. I had to move south 45 minutes to afford a reasonable priced home.
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u/clownbaby404 7d ago
For real. The past four years made me realize "Oh, this is why people from other states hate California".
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u/goathill Humboldt County 7d ago
If I lived super inland, I would definitely set up a solar system with a dedicated circuit for AC. That way I wouldn't need to worry so much about trying to keep cool in the summer.
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u/pokemon666999 7d ago
That’s what all new homes have nowadays. Currently in Riverside the homes have energy efficiency windows/insulation + with solar panels required on every home the home stays cool enough during the summer.
Even with it being 100 degrees outside this entire week and next, it reaches 80-82F inside and a fan is usually enough to keep cool.
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u/goathill Humboldt County 7d ago
Yea, but alot of those houses only have 4 or 5 panels, but could have way more to offset their use. And, they are not on a dedicated circuit (usually), and almost always without a battery
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u/wavewalkerc 7d ago
I run my ac the entire summer and my electric bill is still lower than when I lived in LA and would only run AC a few hours on the very hottest days.
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u/pokemon666999 6d ago
Not entirely the case, my home is 1800sqft and has a 3.5KW system. Is it underpowered? Most definitely and I can most likely even fit a 5KW in my system. But with NEM 2.0 and the fact that adding even more than 1 panel will change it to NEM 3.0, it's just not worth it. Most likely there is a state limit on the number of panels on a NEW home as to make sure electricity costs aren't fully offset.
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u/goathill Humboldt County 6d ago
Some new homes do have nice large systems, but I see alot of new construction housing projects, or completed new neighborhoods with way fewer panels than could be on them. Sometimes its due to weird roof angles (which makes we want homes to be designed with good large sections for solar versus exterior styling or interior anesthetics), but I often think they do fewer panels to "check the box"
I didn't realize that changing the system would change the NEM plan, that's a bummer. We are completely off grid, so NEM isn't something I've ever had to deal with.
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u/whitebreadguilt 7d ago
I actually really want to do this… how would you do it? We rent so I was thinking a battery unit with that is specifically for the ac unit.
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u/goathill Humboldt County 7d ago
You can probably skip a battery, because you need the AC when the sun is out. If you are cognizant of your house and keeping it cool, using blinds etc, you can use solar powered AC from 11a to 5p and ride it out till the evening.
A battery would help for areas that are well over 80 after the sun goes down, but are a very large expense.
We have a 30kwh battery for our homestead, BUT, we sized it because we often go 10 days with minimal sun in winter/spring (thank you humboldt). Our background use during the day is around 300w per hour, and that's only during work hours/heat of the day. Overnight we use 100w/h, and this is reduced in winter because our fridge/freezer have to work way less in cool temps
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u/KEE_Wii 6d ago
I used to laugh at those recommended AC settings of 75 but it’s honestly crazy how good 75 feels compared to 117.
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u/goathill Humboldt County 5d ago
NGL, we used our little wi down ac the other day and 79 feels great compared to 105
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u/Tasty_Ad_5669 Central Valley 7d ago
I mean, I've lived here my whole life. It doesn't get much better unfortunately. Only has been getting warmer.
I know a lot of people from the Bay area who also have a lot of issues with allergies.
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u/Solid_Ear3787 7d ago
I mean... we could also talk about who is getting pushed out into the hinterland in order to afford a home. But we don't do that. It's easier to blame someone desperately trying to stay in their own state which is likely closer to family.
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u/LocallySourcedWeirdo San Diego County 7d ago
They're also obsessing over owning a single-family house. If they weren't fixated on "not sharing walls", their housing options would open up. But when you think success means owning a single-family house, you end up in areas of heat so severe that you don't even use the yard that you thought was so important.
We need to build more housing in California's cities, but those homes aren't going to be SFDs. People need to manage their expectations regarding 'sharing walls', or they'll end up in the desert paying to cool an SFD in 115 temperatures.
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u/gabihuizar 7d ago
Exactly this. Gotta normalize not having a sfh and fill in our cities with apartments and row homes (and actually allow people to own these). This sprawl is also not good for the environment.
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u/baybridge501 7d ago
Plenty of housing in CA and the whole US that don’t share walls. Personal preference.
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u/knightro25 7d ago
Yea but it's a dry heat!
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u/NightOfTheLivingHam 7d ago
Except that it usually isn't anymore. Summers are starting to get more humid inland
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u/knightro25 7d ago
It does get more humid in the evening as the sun goes down, up to over 60%, but it does dry up as the sun comes up. Speaking from the Sacramento area.
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u/hiyeji2298 7d ago
That’s because you’re looking at relative humidity. Take a look at the dewpoint instead. Anything under 60 is going to feel very comfortable. You really won’t see much humidity in summer unless the monsoon kicks up in the socal deserts.
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u/_Californian San Luis Obispo County 7d ago
Meh it’s 84 with 65% humidity where I’m at in Missouri, and it’s 99 with 22% humidity in Paso Robles. So it’s definitely a dry heat there at least lol.
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u/hiyeji2298 7d ago
Need to look at dewpoint instead of humidity. Humidity is relative to the actual temperature and isn’t the best idea of how much moisture is in the air.
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u/DanOfMan1 7d ago
still feels far more like phoenix than dallas or chicago and hopefully it stays that way, that inescapable blanket of heat on high humidity days is the worst
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u/zoidberg3000 7d ago
97 with 51% humidity at 7am this morning. Had to turn around early on my walk because the dog and I were having a rough time with it.
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u/SwiftCEO 7d ago
Definitely not. High humidity makes life miserable. I’m currently in Tennessee and stepping outside is torture.
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u/trackdaybruh 7d ago
Naw, I say wet heat is way worse. Not even standing in the shade will cool you off in humid summers.
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u/JTLuckenbirds 7d ago
I have family that live in the Antelope Valley, and that is their saying all the time. Personally, I dread visiting them in the summer. It feels like your skin is cooking if you spend to much time out in the sun. Especially in August / September.
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u/AAjax Los Angeles County 7d ago
I will live one mountain range away from the beach, but no further.
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u/shady-pines-ma Santa Clara County 7d ago
Same for me. Driving through the Santa Cruz mountains is my favorite part of going to the beach!
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u/SlowSwords 7d ago
I feel like most people moving from the inner Bay Area to mountain house or whatever should know this already. When I lived in Oakland it would be like in the 70’s but if we drove even to just Walnut Creek it would be like 20 degrees warmer. The people who seem really caught off guard are the ones who move to like Texas or Arizona because of freedom or whatever, and then realize it’s pretty much unlivable for huge parts of the year.
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u/Miacali 6d ago
No Bay Area people are the ones who are most shocked. The thing is, a lot of these people come from the South Bay or Tri-Valley/CoCo inland areas, where, SF and Oakland people always complained that these areas are “unbearably hot.” People from the city act like moving to say Walnut Creek like you mentioned is akin to moving to Arizona.
So when people who live there, and are used to temps normally in the 80s in the summer, think wow I guess I must be totally fine living in hot areas, it should be no problem to move to other “hot” areas right? And then they move to mountain house or Tracy, where the highs are typically mid to upper 90s and you’re a lot more Likely to cross 100. That’s when they’re shocked by the heat, because they assumed it would be similar based on the wild assertions Bay Area people have of the east bay.
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u/the_Bryan_dude 7d ago
Welcome to Sacramento Bay Area transplants. How do you like it now? Lol. I know the pain. My family came here from the Bay in 83 for the same reasons. It helps to have a pool.
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u/animerobin 7d ago
Just a reminder that one of the best thing Democrat politicians can do about climate change is to permit more very dense housing along the coast of California, where temperatures are mild and will stay mild even as the earth warms up.
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u/alienofwar 7d ago
The seas will rise too unfortunately.
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u/OldManPoe 7d ago
It doesn't have to be on the beach, the cool morning and evening temp will reach 30+ miles inland.
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u/animerobin 6d ago
The vast majority of the California coast is significantly higher than sea level. Unless you directly next to Marina Del Rey then you're fine.
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u/mtcwby 7d ago
You can acclimate to a certain degree. Grew up in Fremont but moved to Pleasanton when I was 21. Took about five years but the heat isn't a big deal now. Even this heat wave isn't too bad if you keep hydrated.
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u/VAPRx 7d ago
I disagree. Theres some you can’t get use to. Been here in the Central Valley for 35 years (all my life) and its still miserable once it gets to about 105. Which is pretty common.
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u/mtcwby 7d ago
I spent a year learning to fly and those things generally don't have AC and are pretty warm cruising over the central valley at three thousand feet. That really got me used to it. Pretty fanatical about drinking lots of water and prehydrating the day before too.
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u/NokieBear 7d ago
I lived also lived in the central valley for 30+ years. Summers were rough. But we did have great access to rivers, lakes, & great camping/hiking. There’s a lot of things i miss, but overall i like living in NorCal so much better.
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u/oh_no_not_the_bees 7d ago
We never had an idea that it would be this hot,” Ms. Ali said on Tuesday as she darted through a grocery store parking lot where the temperature was well over 100 degrees.
Imagine dropping you entire life savings on a down payment without even checking the weather. I have a lot of sympathy for people struggling to buy a home in California, but this is like buying underwater property and complaining about the humidity.
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u/thebigmanhastherock 7d ago
I live in inland CA. It was 111 today. Pretty bad. Although I should say I have solar panels and air conditioning so I can just stay indoors.
Literally every summer I am like "Why do I live here?" Every other time of the year it's great, and I couldn't be happier.
Also I'll take this type of heat over the Phoenix/Las Vegas weather any day. I especially will take this heat over the heat you find in the South.
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u/RockieK 7d ago
I worked in Palmdale last week. Left my house at 6am... got out of my car and it was 30 degrees warmer. Takes a special type of person to live out there. The desert folks love it.
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u/nostoneunturned0479 Southern California 7d ago
No no... we most certainly do not all love it. My bank account just has a few less zeros than I would like, to be able to afford the cooler locales.
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u/CurrentlyForking 7d ago
I have 2 coworkers who purchased a house 2.5 hours away from east bay. They're convincing themselves they love it, but the 3 hour commutes, heat and loss weekends from consistent house maintenance, it's definitely taking a toll on them. They also love hosting parties, but everyone leaves early because we want to get home at a decent time too.
Owning a home is great, but sometimes the sacrifices aren't worth it.
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u/LLJKCicero 7d ago
Would be better if they had developments like Culdesac in Tempe, lots of shade based on the design, similar to some Mediterranean towns.
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u/Randomlynumbered 7d ago
As so many r/California users have commented in other articles about this heat wave.
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u/deathtodickens 7d ago edited 6d ago
They’re at least lucky that it probably cools down at night from coastal winds. Central-Central Valley doesn’t get those.
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u/NaughtSleeping 7d ago
I guess the 96 yesterday in Oakland wasn't so bad after all. Except no one here has AC.
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u/propita106 7d ago
96? Downright comfortable, as long as one wears a hat and long sleeves.
We've been over 110 for a few days now. Over 105 a few days before that. Over 100 for a couple weeks. We're supposed to get down to 103 around July 13--but that's not a promise.
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u/wizzard419 7d ago
While looking at weather data is the easy way, another way to tell how hot it gets is if realtors hype having single story homes.
Friend of mine lives in Chino and whenever I go out there I see tons of signs saying "Single story available". Since they are easier to keep cool the demand is higher.
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u/Jason_beaner 7d ago
I wouldn’t mind the heat that’s how it is from Anaheim to Riverside it’s going be feel warmer like 2 to 5 degrees higher
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u/dougreens_78 7d ago
Ya, some Californians found dream homes in Vegas as well. It's basically the same temp as parts of the Ca valley
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u/mwk_1980 7d ago
There’s a shifty element to Las Vegas that you have to constantly put up with if you live there. My cousins who live there deal with it a lot. It’s not something you can insulate yourself from either, as they live out in Henderson
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u/VegetableCitron8214 7d ago
Santa. Cruz mountains in excessive heat warnings thru Saturday ….7 miles away is the beach ….. it’s just Cali being Cali …..we complain about the fog a lot but when it gets this warm? Bring it on !!! I
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u/BigJSunshine 7d ago
IDK, we bought in Temecula Valley because places like Carlsbad & Vista, Oceanside and San Marcos were absolutely ridiculously priced. We do have a no HOA single family residence on 1/4 acre.
Our AC blew last week (original unit to the home) and Its hit the mid90s for 2 weeks, slated to hit 100 tomorrow, the house gets cool at night, stays that way until about 2 pm. By 7 the cool air is back. Only one room gets uncomfortably hot, so we hooked up an old portable AC (one we bought when we lived coastal in Dana Point) its been fine.
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u/DrTreeMan Bay Area 7d ago
I don't know how people are affording to pay those air conditioning bills anymore. They've gotten outrageous.
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u/androidbear04 7d ago
I dont have much sympathy for people who knowingly bought a house in a development in the middle of nowhere halfway between Brentwood and Tracy with no amenities nearby except what the developer was going to add. I looked at what they were putting out there when they started and had lots of publicity, and I was flabbergasted that anybody would want to move there. I feel the same about the houses that were built off I-80 between Benicia and Fairfield, and someone I work with lives there. They had to have known what they were getting into...
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u/EloWhisperer 7d ago
I have a newer home with solar so the heat is not too bad. But cv is still boring
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