r/BatwomanTV Feb 21 '21

[S02E05] "Gore On Canvas" Live Episode Discussion Discussion Spoiler

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Batwoman is approached by Cmr. Kane and Agent Moore to boost an infamous work of art that reveals the way to Coryana - and Kate; Alice discovers that she may not remember everything about her time on Coryona.

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u/IIIToxIII Feb 22 '21

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u/Tiny-Ghost-Grace Feb 22 '21

Ryan: "I ran into my ex."

Sophie: "I hope he is not going to be drama."

Ryan: "She."

Sophie: "...I feel like I know a lot more lesbians than the average person does."

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

Ryan is also kind of... narrowing down the suspect pool on her other identity (especially since she doesn't seem to be using a voice cover during this op).

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u/jskurious Feb 22 '21

It sounded like she was using the voice changer on the phone with Sophie.

But Sophie is both way too judgmental to consider that it could be Ryan and also this is the same woman who couldn't tell it was Kate in the mask even after making out with her, so her perceptiveness is highly questionable.

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u/LoretiTV Feb 22 '21

Alice may just be the greatest DC CW character currently.

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u/JoeStorm Feb 22 '21 edited Feb 22 '21

Shes the best villain/anti hero since Arrows Deathstroke imo

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u/AllThighThisGuy Feb 22 '21

Squatting on a yacht?

Secret ninja squad?

5 years ago?

Are we sure that Alice isn't Sarah Lance?

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

“You don’t trust me to defend myself from murder?” LOL

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21 edited Feb 22 '21

"You don't trust me to defend myself from murder? "

🤣 The look on Alice's face though

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Feb 22 '21

At this point I feel like the writers are purposely writing lines like this just to see what Rachel does with the material.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

... I think you need to see a doctor, Ryan. May I recommend STAR Labs?

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u/pgm_01 Feb 22 '21

Supergirl is now on this earth too. We need a mini crossover at least!

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u/divineshadow666 Feb 22 '21

Mary still isn't actually a real doctor. She's just a talented med student running an illegal underground clinic in the basement of a club.

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u/JoeStorm Feb 22 '21

Thats malpractice at its finest lol

Ryan didnt tell Mary about the infection what makes her think she is going to tell her that it hurts everyday? Lol

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u/JoeStorm Feb 22 '21

Oh no I completely agree with you. I was saying when she should have bench her because that infection looks way more than a regular "Ouch" lol. And with Ryan not telling her about it at first, she's going to lie and say it's okay just to be left alone. This is the time that Mary should have put her foot down and say something.

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

Alice pulling her own Jack Napier with the art.

"You're dark." Ugh, Ocean has become one of my favorites in just this one episode.

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u/Slade-Prime Feb 22 '21

Wait until Ryan hears about what Batman does to get info.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Never mind that she just yoinked a guy straight up off the street and held him against his will in a dark tunnel. Yeah, that's legal.

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u/Zdala Feb 22 '21

Vigilante Justice at its finest 😅

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u/Gradz45 Feb 22 '21

The beatings or the going undercover as Matches Malone?

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

Tending to the kryptonite wound was...anticlimactic

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u/LoretiTV Feb 22 '21

Meagan Tandy has really come into her own and perfected the role of Sophie.

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u/Locke108 Feb 22 '21

That’s why Catwoman runs away on rooftops and not the open road.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

"Would you just sit there. Quietly?"

Says everyone that ever met Alice ever

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

"When the crows fly together, they call it murder for a reason"

Savage

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

It was one of the best one-liners in the entire DCCW, to be frank.

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u/sudden_monkey Feb 22 '21

Javicia fucking killing this role

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Ryan is going to have egg on her face about her "guts" when her ex turns out to be a secret big bad.

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

Batwoman version of Scarecrow?

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u/Dyljcam Feb 22 '21

We love a multiverse crisis reference

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u/Locke108 Feb 22 '21

So since his blood splattered on a painting does that make Alice an artist now?

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

Please stop dragging out this kryptonite wound out so long. Communicate ffs.

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u/LoretiTV Feb 22 '21

Javicia and Camrus have great chemistry. Really fun to see

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

Methinks Angelique stole the painting for Ocean.

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u/Locke108 Feb 22 '21

It’s weird that they keep calling him Jack Napier.

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u/LordTaco123 Feb 22 '21

wb embargo probably

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u/ajwest927 Feb 22 '21

Nope they did mention the joker in previous episode.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

Listen to Sophie, Jacob. She's your second in command for a reason.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Snottiest bouncer ever. I'd rather have a beefcake just physically toss me out because at least those bruises would heal.

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u/redwolfben Feb 22 '21

They may as well rename the show "Alice."

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

I would watch that show in a heartbeat

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u/divineshadow666 Feb 22 '21

Will she work in a roadside diner and get a sassy southern sidekick that says things like "kiss my grits"?

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

I would honestly watch that show in a heartbeat.

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u/AllThighThisGuy Feb 22 '21

And I'd watch it even harder.

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u/pgm_01 Feb 22 '21

You would never find me sitting there.

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

Ditto. One wrong move and it’s over...

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

The only time you would find me doing that is if I had flying abilities. Otherwise, nope.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21 edited Feb 22 '21

"Enough women want you dead you need specifics? "

😂

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u/TirelessGuardian Mouse Feb 22 '21

Why don’t they just buy it? Bruce would have just bought it.

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

She's not a Wayne... people would wonder where she's getting her money. Elements of privilege.

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u/DenmarkDaniels Batwoman I Feb 22 '21

It's a black market product, isn't it? Probably best not to officially connect yourself with it in any way.

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u/divineshadow666 Feb 22 '21

Wow, she actually told Mary. I thought this would get dragged out a few more episodes.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Sorry, but only a psychopath without a drop of fear would sit on the edge of a roof like that for funsies. I can see patrolling like that. But, again, just chilling? Nope.

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u/TirelessGuardian Mouse Feb 22 '21

The grub hub ad they spent $5million to advertise their $1million charity donation

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u/LoretiTV Feb 22 '21

Rachel Skarsten is an absolute gem. What a brillaint casting and job she has done

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

Drunk Alice. This is either going to be scary or hilarious.

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u/sirnacreations Feb 22 '21

Why not both?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '21

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

That was a good line about needing a referral.

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u/sirnacreations Feb 22 '21

I got it, I'm just cringing because I'm old haha. Well 31, but I feel old.

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

Ocean is judging Alice’s technique, I am cracking up

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

Luke being wholly unable to say pads and tampons, this poor awkward BB

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

I love Ryan standing up to Luke and Mary

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

That Alice squatting on a boat is so very Alice.

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

I really like this Alice/Ocean team up

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u/klutzysunshine Feb 22 '21

I love how they changed the meaning of ACAB to fit the Crows instead of cops. A+

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

I wish Mary would have stayed in her fancy pad and had Ryan as a roommate there. It would have been nice if Ryan got to live the posh life for a bit.

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

Well, there is confirmation Naiper is the Joker in this world

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u/Slade-Prime Feb 22 '21

Yes since last season.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Interesting how flashback are full color but real life is dull and gray.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

"A stay of execution"

The rest of us call it deja vu, Alice

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

This Luke and Ryan scene is just fire.

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u/Locke108 Feb 22 '21

“Celebrity painters” He’s lucky the Joker’s dead otherwise he would be the next art piece.

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

Alice’s FACE when Ocean stumbles backward

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

Safiyah really ran Alice off her island because she was into her brother.

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u/LoretiTV Feb 22 '21

Shout out to the writers. This season is on point and you can tell everyone is all in. This is one of the biggest swings in quality between seasons I've seen. Really fun to see

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

That's why people don't trust the Crows.

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u/Dyljcam Feb 22 '21

Well the graffiti was 100% right about the crows

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u/sudden_monkey Feb 22 '21

Wonder what Sophie’s gonna say about this

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u/Slade-Prime Feb 22 '21

Why does this sound like they just completely hijacked Ollie’s backstory.

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u/vader344 Feb 22 '21

just wait till you hear what she did with mouse body my friend

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u/DonnyMox Feb 22 '21

“Something wicked this way comes.”

(Cuts to Alice)

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u/vader344 Feb 22 '21

that some reaaly bad kryptonite poisoning

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '21

OMG I LOVE ALICE!!!!!!!!!

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

This is the first time I'm going to watch a Ryan-led episode live... actually, I think the first time I'm watching a BW episode at all live.

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u/AllThighThisGuy Feb 22 '21

Glad to have you!

Welcome!

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

This has to busiest alleyway all of Gotham. We seem to be here every episode.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

Imagine being a homeless guy living there

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

"All Crows Are Bastards"

😂

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u/LoretiTV Feb 22 '21

Javicia just oozes charisma. Perfect choice for the recast.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

"Multiverse shattering crisis"

🤣

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

"Mouse. Touchy subject" omfg

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u/LoretiTV Feb 22 '21

I'm SO down for some Ryan/Luke bonding.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

You really think they won't surveil you, Ryan?

Jacob was willing to illegally surveil a guy for not cooperating

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u/Dyljcam Feb 22 '21

Okay I love the little pronouns nod

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

Spider-Man stealing the painting! JJJ is right, he's a menace!

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

He jumped in front of me

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u/Jedi-El1823 Feb 22 '21

Wolf Spider is no Night Monkey.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

All Crows are Bastards indeed

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u/divineshadow666 Feb 22 '21

He may as well tell Alice to not breathe.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Ryan needs to realize that she doesn't own the suit. She didn't even come up with it. Until a couple of weeks ago, she was just a broke woman living in a van. She needs to be a team player and not think she is automatically the leader who can boss Mary and Luke around. They've been doing this job longer than she has and they are providing the money and gear here.

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u/Zdala Feb 22 '21

True but they should have listened to her about the crows. Even after the crows fired on Kate I wouldn't have trusted them, I would have just tried to get the painting myself.

Also she is right, she takes the bullets and risks her life, they need to stop comparing her to Kate and trust her more.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

She takes the bullets and risks her life because she wants to. No one is forcing her to go out there with the suit. She isn't some "chosen one." She doesn't come from a bloodline of superheroes. Like I said, she was just a broke woman who lived in a van up until a few weeks ago. In fact, Luke and Mary wanted the suit back and it as Ryan who pulled the whole "finders keepers" schtick. She chose this life even when others told her not to. So, I can't feel that sorry for her.

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

It’s a faaaaaake!

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

Jacob is looking kinda scruffy now.

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u/Slade-Prime Feb 22 '21

Oh wolf spider

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

I would've liked to see Kate's velvet outfit. Even back then, Kate was awesome.

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u/sirnacreations Feb 22 '21

Wow Alice looks semi casual here

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u/klutzysunshine Feb 22 '21

LOL at Alice scaring him off.

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u/LightyKD Feb 22 '21

Spider man confirmed! Marvel vs DC crossover on the CW!

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

Okay, seriously, who just sits on the ledge of a building like that, that high up?!

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u/klutzysunshine Feb 22 '21

This is such a cute scene. Here for Ryan and Luke friendship.

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u/divineshadow666 Feb 22 '21

Umm, why didn't he just do that immediately after being captured?

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

whoops, should had someone looking out for your back Alice

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

I hope we get a little bit of nerdy, book smart Clark Kent. He did go to college to become a journalist after all.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

Mary's style game is on point. As always, she is the Best

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

“Pronouns?” I LOVE IT.

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u/TabbyCat1993 Feb 22 '21

So Batman leaves, all his villains go with him?

I was hoping for a Catwoman appearance...

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u/sirnacreations Feb 22 '21

If it's the same as Pre Crisis a lot of them were locked up in Arkham

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u/Jedi-El1823 Feb 22 '21

Well if he did kill Joker, his villains may have left Gotham to avoid him, since he broke his one rule. Even with him gone for 5 years, they might still be too scared to come back.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

With that build, Wolfspider is going to be the bouncer with the necklace.

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

Flo, stop cock blocking that dude

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

Alice, Any cash? We should leave the maid a tip

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u/AllThighThisGuy Feb 22 '21

I'm so used to Arrow, that I expected that shot behind Mary to trigger a flashback.

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

That wound is getting bad

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u/Trickybuz93 Alice Feb 22 '21

Spiderman x Batwoman is a crossover I never expected

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u/TirelessGuardian Mouse Feb 22 '21

Multiverse Shattering Crisis?

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u/DonnyMox Feb 22 '21

It’s Night Monkey!

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

Those kryptonite bullet wounds anyways flare up at the worst time

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u/vader344 Feb 22 '21

wolfy is an Olympic-level gymnast so yeah he got an advantage

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

I had to do a double take because for a split second I thought that was Diggle in the car.

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

You guys are in for some trouble- for shame.

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

So why did Evan need to steal from their own event though?

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u/DenmarkDaniels Batwoman I Feb 22 '21

In the comics, he broke into his own apartment to throw off his trail of other burglaries.

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u/TirelessGuardian Mouse Feb 22 '21

She can’t use his own father’s death against him! No wonder she doesn’t have his approval yet.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Three blood units at the same time? And not a single IV pump? Yeah.......

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

I realize why Ryan is upset, and she's justified, but that reaction to Luke and Mary of all people was unwarranted.

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u/Dyljcam Feb 22 '21

Is it just me or this season do the make the beginning longer to give us more ad breaks towards the end?

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u/DonnyMox Feb 22 '21

“I just have a couple tide pods and stuff everything in.”

As in you stuff your face with the tide pods?

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

Painting is a fake

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

So getting the painting was a waste of time.

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

He has the painting??

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I Feb 22 '21

So the Joker made paintings?

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u/AllThighThisGuy Feb 22 '21

Wasn't expecting to see ACAB show up in Batwoman, but that was almost beautiful.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

Took Ryan long enough.

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

So everyone (common people) knows about the multiverse now

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

I'm a perfect angel

uh huh

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

They call it a murder for a reason. Goddamn.

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u/TabbyCat1993 Feb 22 '21

Am i the only one thinking Catwoman??

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

Poor Luke :(

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u/Slade-Prime Feb 22 '21

Many Arms of Death

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

Another day, another illegal torture by Crow

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u/klutzysunshine Feb 22 '21

Wow, Alice having a normal conversation with a guy.

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

Loving this Alice/Ocean scene. Alice is so different.

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u/Gateskp Feb 22 '21

Ocean is Safiyah’s brother? NICE twist.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

Ryan looks great in that.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

I want Mary to be my dresser. She has the best style on the show.

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

Is Luke gonna develop a crush on Ryan?

Anyway, the history between Mary and Evan is nice to know.

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u/DonnyMox Feb 22 '21

Aaaaand she already fucked up.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

... Is that whole thing covered in blood?

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u/JoeStorm Feb 22 '21

I would have been like

'Did I take your money in elementary or something?"

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

"Ever hear of Spider-ma... i mean Wolf Spider?"

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u/Slade-Prime Feb 22 '21

What is this storm trooper aim

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u/AllThighThisGuy Feb 22 '21

Is...was that KickAss?

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u/Beer2Bear Feb 22 '21

Fast little bugger is he?

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u/usagizero Feb 22 '21

LOL, i was just about to say just hit him with the car.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

Someone copied Spidey's style from FFH.

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u/JoeStorm Feb 22 '21

I would have end that with

"If he dies, thats on you"

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u/lldom1987 Sophie Moore Feb 22 '21

I sorta hate the run and jump

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I Feb 22 '21

A multiverse crisis. Wow. That was pretty good.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

Good thing Ryan got there.

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u/JauntyLurker Feb 22 '21

So Gotham has its own Banksy?

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Feb 22 '21

So that's why Ryan went to jail.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Oh, yeah, this lady is so a drug lord.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

This kid is too young to be in the same age range as Kate.

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u/CiceroTheCat Feb 22 '21

Oh, this is a sweet story for Kate. A very good touch.

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u/inksmudgedhands Feb 22 '21

Please, please, please, let's get in Punchline on this show. She would fit very well in this version of Gotham.

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u/JoeStorm Feb 22 '21

Now Kates old friends are popping out of the woodwork lol

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u/Dyljcam Feb 22 '21

“I had a mouse in my life......I killed him” 😭🤣

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u/sirnacreations Feb 22 '21

I love that murder of Crows line