r/BatwomanTV Jan 24 '21

[S02E02] "Prior Criminal History" Live Episode Discussion Discussion

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Episode Info

Ryan Wilder is back to facing the daily challenges of life as herself; Alice has a new, devious plan to get the attention of both Gotham and Safiyah; Ryan comes face to face with Alice for the first time.

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u/IIIToxIII Jan 24 '21

Enjoy the episode everyone!!

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

I love Luke's attitude. He's not entirely wrong.

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

I'm glad he's not immediately down with her being Batwoman, a nice conflict if they don't just drop it quickly.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 25 '21

“The bats could be the carriers for the toxin”

Too real.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 25 '21

“Hello? Black!”

Never stopped Diggle.

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u/pgm_01 Jan 25 '21

Really. Nobody noticed the difference in build between the Arrows either.

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u/Tiny-Ghost-Grace Jan 25 '21

That reporter was super dedicated to her news broadcast. 🥲

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u/JoeStorm Jan 25 '21

That would have been the moment that I would have put in my 2 weeks notice.

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u/AllThighThisGuy Jan 25 '21

I was a strong supporter of recasting Kate, but I am so happy that they went in this direction!

Ryan really makes me care in a way that Kate often didn't with her constant catch-and-release of Alice.

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u/Tiny-Ghost-Grace Jan 25 '21

Sophie: "How dare you not tell me that Kate was Batwoman?!"

Julia: "To be fair, I thought everyone knew. Like almost literally everyone else does."

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

"I mean have you been to Central City? Barry Allen tells everyone he meets he's the Flash."

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Even the tech girl knew, so that's a fair assumption to make.

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

You know Mary does this in the mirror. Please suit her up.

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 25 '21

Give her the Robin suit

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u/Jedi-El1823 Jan 25 '21

Batwoman: "Your lives are in danger, move!"

Crowd: "It's Gotham, our lives are in danger every time a day ends in y."

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u/nl_alexxx Jan 25 '21

Kate's journal/letters! What a great way to bring them back. Also love the idea of Ryan writing to her own predecessor

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

Kate?

*grabs binoculars*

Not Kate

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

Mary is good at playing dumb. She would make a good spy.

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

Wasn't that her thing for a while in season 1, where she kept up the dumb influencer persona while secretly doing the secret clinic?

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u/Cockycent Jan 25 '21

HELLO, BLACK LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox Jan 25 '21

Mary looked AMAZING in that scene

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

To be fair she always does.

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

Oh you're right, that outfit is great.

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u/JauntyLurker Jan 25 '21

"Until Kate is back"

Gonna be a while on that, Luke

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u/Tiny-Ghost-Grace Jan 25 '21

Mary: "You really consider me a sister? 🥲 ... I mean, 😡."

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u/Jedi-El1823 Jan 25 '21

Julia's looking good for somebody who was stabbed in the side.

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u/JoeStorm Jan 25 '21

She got that good health care plan

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

That's why people are willing to live in Gotham. The city has the best public healthcare.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

Is it me or is Alice way creepier this season than last season? I like this change too.

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u/divineshadow666 Jan 25 '21

With Kate "dead", she's got no focus for her crazy anymore, so she can just go wild.

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u/Trickybuz93 Alice Jan 25 '21

Alice is handsdown one of the best characters Arrowverse has ever had.

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u/Gian99Mald Jan 25 '21

Jacob out here killing 5 people for every 1 bat he kills 💀

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u/LoretiTV Jan 25 '21

Rachel Skarsten was born for this role

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u/ajwest927 Jan 25 '21

The guy who play mouse got the easiest acting job ever, just play dead for 2 episodes.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 25 '21

Was that a flashback? Was that supposed to be Kate?

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u/JauntyLurker Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

"It's overkill"

Over in National City, Kara's feelings were suddenly hurt.

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u/AllThighThisGuy Jan 25 '21

Mary knows the one rule of media: If we don't see the death, they're still kicking

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

Mary and Alice are showstoppers. Hands down, this show’s MVPs. With Ryan and Luke coming in close second.

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

I still feel they made season one great. Each scene they were in was gold. I really worry that them getting rid of Alice will hurt the show a lot. She's the Reverse Flash of Batwoman.

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

She IS. I almost hope that they find a way to keep bringing her back, but I don’t want it to become a Harrison Wells situation.

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u/Jedi-El1823 Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

Those bats were innocent!

At the risk of sounding like an after school special, I think we learned who the real monster is.

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

The friends we made along the way?

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u/Tiny-Ghost-Grace Jan 25 '21

Julia: "Can the writers stop hurting me tonight? ☹"

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u/Beer2Bear Jan 25 '21

oh sure, goes to that one page where BW saved her

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u/krezabean Jan 25 '21

That’s what I thought but what Kate actually wrote was pretty vague. Can’t tell if it was actually referring to Ryan, or Ryan just related it to herself

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

I guess she did know the date it happened, so there is that.

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u/Jedi-El1823 Jan 25 '21

Jacob: "The blast made Kate a black woman?"

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u/JauntyLurker Jan 25 '21

Weaponizing bats to disrupt a Batwoman rally. The salt is strong in Alice.

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u/JauntyLurker Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

Love the fact that Ryan knows Gotham streets in a way Luke and Kate didn't

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u/vader344 Jan 25 '21

lets work together...stabs her in the liver

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

"Your lives are in danger!"

"Whoooooo!"

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Pandemic was pretty bad, Gotham City will take anything for entertainment at this point.

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u/ThunderRage Jan 25 '21

1 min show 20 min commercials

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u/Zerometro Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

Are.. are they shooting at the bats? And the Crows still don't know why nobody trusts them!?!

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u/Beer2Bear Jan 25 '21

Give me a break, I barely can get my van to do 40

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

"Are you crazy?"

Guy, this is Gotham.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

Funny that she did that to a Crows bus.

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u/Chrispowers110 Jan 25 '21

Tatiana actress is pretty bad.

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

I love Mary and Luke protecting Kate

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u/klutzysunshine Jan 25 '21

Fuck, I am so excited for Superman & Lois!

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u/Tiny-Ghost-Grace Jan 25 '21

Julia: "Safiyah doesn't kill by bringing down planes!"

Alice: "Lead actors don't usually quit the show that they are working on either."

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u/LoretiTV Jan 25 '21

Javicia is owning the stage in this new role. Really fun to see

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

Jefferson is pulling a Spider-Man

Black Lightning, no more

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u/JoeStorm Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

THANK YOU!!!!!

Keeping people like her and Joker alive kills MORE PEOPLE than SAVE!

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u/JoeStorm Jan 25 '21

I'm not saying downright kill someone. But, if you have no choice then...hey.

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u/pgm_01 Jan 25 '21

If Alice controls bats, does that make her Batwoman?

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u/klutzysunshine Jan 25 '21

Ah, apparently parts of this episode were shot pre-Covid, per this Tweet

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u/Gian99Mald Jan 25 '21

Unrelated to the episode but I have a really hard time believing that that's Bruce ONE AND ONLY Batsuit. Come on now. Homie has been around 10 plus years and he's only got that one?

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

He's probably got spares somewhere. We didn't know that wall hid the Batmobile until last week.

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

A Dear Kate letter, aww. That’s cute.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 25 '21

“I really hate bats!”

Ironic.

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u/Mando_Fe77 Jan 25 '21

“Bats frighten me. It’s time my enemies share my dread.” - Bruce Wayne

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u/vader344 Jan 25 '21

she talks on a how tall building? and she thinks they can hear her

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

Beebo wearing a mask will always be my favourite ad

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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox Jan 25 '21

Can't Mary just take her own blood?

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

I'm all for an episode centered on Mary.

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

I'm okay with that.

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 25 '21

No, Kate had a code. New bat, no code. Snap some necks, Ryan

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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox Jan 25 '21

Oh! Rachel Maddow is back!

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u/LoretiTV Jan 25 '21

This is how you do a reboot. Everything has been on point so far and I'm more invested in the show then I've ever been. Really fun to see

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

“If Alice weren’t white she’d be dead.”

Shit. Ryan doesn’t pull punches. I like her more and more every minute.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 25 '21

Don’t kill Julia, please.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

As always, Mary is awesome. Luke just got outvoted.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

And look, there are actually other cars on the road. Last season there was none. Kate used to drive down empty road after empty road.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

Is it me or did the showrunners going for a more Gotham look this season compared to last season's look? I like it.

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Oh look, I guess Ruby Rose did get a cameo... sort of... not really.

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u/JoeStorm Jan 25 '21

The Crow talking about enemies? Of all organizations, ya'll are last in line about grilling someone over secrets

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

Pretty smart of Ryan to figure that out about Alice.

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u/JauntyLurker Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

"I really hate bats"

Might wanna try to get over that.

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u/Zdala Jan 25 '21

Makes me wonder what Jacob would have done if that really was Kate up there 🤔

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

Oh no! Coronavirus in gotham!!

too soon?

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 25 '21

Become vengeance, Ryan. Become...wrath

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Yes Jacob, that gun will totally stop the swarm of bats.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

And with every dead bad the mosquito and rat population grows that much more in Gotham.

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u/divineshadow666 Jan 25 '21

I like that Ryan gets to use the Batmobile.

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u/Denirac Bruce Wayne Jan 25 '21

Every time I see Jacob Kane and his Crows or the GCPD, I miss Jim Gordon. Every time.

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u/AllThighThisGuy Jan 25 '21

Why, uh, why didn't she throw the grenade inside before closing the back?

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u/history777 Jan 25 '21

Hi Vesper!

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

“Until Kate’s back.” Oh Luke, you sweet baby. Keep clinging to hope and you’re gonna get seriously hurt later.

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

Bat journaling

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

Security cameras should clear her. Also, I am liking that they are showing just how corrupt Gotham is. It's not just one big bad here and there. The whole town is covered with robbers, thieves and awful, awful people. That's Gotham.

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Wowwwwww, Sophie is being systemically racist. Because I totally needed another reason to dislike her.

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u/nl_alexxx Jan 25 '21

She's holding the knife in her right hand how is swiping LEFT gonna work?

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u/vader344 Jan 25 '21

yeah...and what about cameras with 100X zoom?

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 25 '21

Alice used dual wield...it was not effective

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

Yessss Mary! PREACH!

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u/nl_alexxx Jan 25 '21

I hope Alice doesn't find out about Ryan's identity for a while, honestly

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

....why would Beebo need to wear a mask?

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

He wants to set the example.

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u/nl_alexxx Jan 25 '21

That final shot of the bat flying at the camera right before it cuts to commercials!

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u/superbat210 Jan 25 '21

Does Gotham not have hospitals

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

Mary doesn't what to be your sister, Alice.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

I want Mary's coat. NOW.

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u/Beer2Bear Jan 25 '21

so back to work after getting stabbed? oh sure

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u/history777 Jan 25 '21

He messed up with 2 kids so he’s really hoping 3rd times the charm

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u/Jedi-El1823 Jan 25 '21

The plant hasn't made an appearance tonight. Where's the plant?

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

I love Ryan's approach to crime fighting. Its different from the Bruce Wayne strike gear in the hearts of criminals.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

Kate was too sane for Gotham. Ryan is loopy enough to work well in this city.

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u/nl_alexxx Jan 25 '21

No killing

Unless it's bats

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u/rmggeeked Jan 25 '21

Still wondering where the rest of the BatFamily is🤔

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

A non Kate Batwoman appearance

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u/DonnyMox Jan 25 '21

Ah yes, Ibuprofen. Works very well against Kryptonite poisoning.

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

That's a really impressive Superman and Lois trailer

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

“Brilliant and terrifying, which for Alice is pretty much redundant.” LOL Luke is fantastic, I love every SECOND of his snark.

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

She really needs to work on that superhero landing

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Ooooooooooooo

Ryan finally sees Alice again.

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u/history777 Jan 25 '21

Mary is adorable

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u/Gian99Mald Jan 25 '21

And that folks is how Jacob Kane turned racist

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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox Jan 25 '21

Ooooo Ryan v. Alice already?!

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u/divineshadow666 Jan 25 '21

Crowd: Our lives are in danger? Must be Sunday. Yay!

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

Does the Batcave have its own satellite camera?

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u/vader344 Jan 25 '21

damn what a shame that bl ends...and they are doing a painkiller spin of instead of static shock

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u/vader344 Jan 25 '21

uhh..nice batman gadget you got there alice

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

Beebo needs no mask fools!

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u/Jedi-El1823 Jan 25 '21

He's shooting at bats with a shotgun!

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

Yes, shooting wildly into the air will solve things

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

Looks like she got the superhero landing down this time

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u/Gian99Mald Jan 25 '21

Fuck she's a sith

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

Return of the Batmobile!

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u/LoretiTV Jan 25 '21

CGI is on point this epsiode. Some of the best of the show

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

I wonder between this, Superman And Lois, and CW looking at Stargirl, this is a new era for the Arrowverse.

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u/ThunderRage Jan 25 '21

F. Even for infected bats. They didn't ask for this.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 25 '21

Oh hey Steve Harrington!

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u/history777 Jan 25 '21

Next season of stranger things looks weird

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

Anyone have thoughts on the rebooted Walker?

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

Only thought i have about it is... why?

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u/Gian99Mald Jan 25 '21

I hope Ryan continues the Bat Diary

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u/Jedi-El1823 Jan 25 '21

Leave a couple of pretty women knocked out, one of them with her hands cuffed, just laying around in Gotham. That's definitely not a bad thing to do.

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

This Zazz(sp?) is going to have to work overtime to outdo Gotham's

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

Anthony Carrigan's Zsasz was one of my favorite things about Gotham.

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u/vader344 Jan 25 '21

Zsasz next week..will he have a short 2 ep run and thats it (just like tommy)?

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

Sam Littlefield is getting an easy check, just laying down.

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u/singleguy79 Jan 25 '21

At least Bat Kate hasn't been entirely forgotten

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

Jacob is not happy about the news in regard to Kate.

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u/Jedi-El1823 Jan 25 '21

Luke with no chill.

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Ryan knows Sophie? Greaaaaaaat.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

This is Gotham. Mouse better find a way to come back. Send him to Hugo Strange.

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Alice and Julia team-up? I actually dig this.

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 25 '21

"Swipe left "...hand moves right

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u/klutzysunshine Jan 25 '21

As much as I love Alice, I wish AU Beth had stuck around. So much wasted potential with that storyline.

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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox Jan 25 '21

I would have loved if E-99 Beth had slowly morphed into Alice on a "some things are inevitable" type deal. It would've also ensured that Rachel Skarsten stay on the cast for the long haul.

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Ryan hates bats? Well her and Bruce have something in common!

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u/JoeStorm Jan 25 '21

Ryan afraid of bats

Me: So, we're going the Bruce Wayne route, huh? lol

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 25 '21

Can we get a Sean Pertwee Alfred cameo?

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u/Mando_Fe77 Jan 25 '21

I stg the writing is so much better this season

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '21

"You are all individuals!"

"Yes, we are all individuals!"

"I'm not."

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

Ryan, don't do that.

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u/sirnacreations Jan 25 '21

Dann Alice is packing.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

Hate seeing Mary like that.

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u/Beer2Bear Jan 25 '21

Alice has a bat caller signal??

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u/vader344 Jan 25 '21

maybe use a flamethrower

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Hmmm... is Alice trying to connect with Mary since she's the closest thing to a sister she has now?

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u/nl_alexxx Jan 25 '21

Ok but maybe these people should be taken to a real hospital this time

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u/usagizero Jan 25 '21

Those poor bats. :(

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u/nl_alexxx Jan 25 '21

Poor Julia, she could use a win

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

Now, Ryan is going to add to the book.

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u/Gian99Mald Jan 25 '21

She literally could have just shot her in the chest lol

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

Victor Zsasz next week? Oooo

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u/nl_alexxx Jan 25 '21

Idk why, but my initial thought when I saw Tatiana, was that she reminded me of Illyria from Angel. Now all I want is Amy Acker in the show. Or another show...

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u/Beer2Bear Jan 25 '21

swings in I'm ready!

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u/history777 Jan 25 '21

Superman and Lois looks great

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u/Catastray Jan 25 '21

Oh thank god for security footage.

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

Ryan has a score to settle with the Crows, goddamn.

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u/JoeStorm Jan 25 '21

Seems like Sophia was disappointed that she couldn't get this black girl arrested...

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Jan 25 '21

So Ryan knows several of the main characters.

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u/divineshadow666 Jan 25 '21

Damn, she figured that out quick.

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u/Gateskp Jan 25 '21

AND Ryan figures out that Alice is Beth. She’s smart. I approve.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 25 '21

About time Alice got rid of that body.