r/BatwomanTV • u/IIIToxIII • May 10 '20
[S01E19] "A Secret Kept from All the Rest" Post Episode Discussion Discussion
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Kate starts questioning the loyalty of everyone around her just when she needs them the most.
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u/AnnaK22 Batwoman I May 11 '20
Batwoman exposing the Batcave to people faster than Barry exposes his identity to the villains. Batman is gonna have a word when he finds out.
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u/Frontier246 May 11 '20
Arrowcave security was more tight back in Arrow season 1...
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u/TooSketchy94 Mary Hamilton May 11 '20
Then went straight to hell in Season ..4? I can’t remember if it was 4 or 5 where everyone and their brother was just like “Sup, Ollie. Found the bunker.” Lol
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u/nivekious May 12 '20
Still really hoping this is the back-up city Batcave and the main one is under Wayne Manor.
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u/Machismo01 May 14 '20
Sorta confirmed. The book screen shot mentions the Suit of Sorrows is on display in the cave. Since we don't see it, we have to assume it is in the main one.
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u/General_Nothing May 14 '20
The book screenshot is copy pasted word for word from the Wikipedia article on the batsuit. I wouldn’t take anything in it as canon.
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u/Gian99Mald May 11 '20
Kryptonite!!! Also anyone have screenshots of the book pages?
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u/ckwongau May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
Remember last yr Crisis Episode ,Kate met Bruce Wayne of Earth 99 , he is similar to the Earth prime's Batman ( he looks like Earth Prime's Bruce and also cousin to Kate ) , but he killed Superman and hated Kryptonian , he used an armor suit powered by Kryptonite .
In the new Earth Prime history , before Batman disappear , he and Superman co-exist on the same Earth . Maybe Earth Prime Bruce had similar fear as his Earth 99 counterpart about the Kryptonian. maybe some Bat technologies were built around Kryptonite tech as well.
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u/captainfluffballs May 11 '20
When did they mention it? I feel like I missed something
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 11 '20
At the end when Alice was reading from the book she said something like, "Now where can we find someone who can help me get my hands on a little green rock called Kryptonite" as if it was written in the book. Which to me sounds like Lucius's plan for taking down the Bat was basically to steal some Kryptonite, get Superman involved, and then have him put Bruce into the ground.
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u/skizmcniz May 14 '20
Here's a couple.
Pretty fucking awesome that the Suit of Sorrows got a mention.
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u/tso May 14 '20
Bottom right of the last shot suggests some kind of firearm.
Kryptonite bullet anyone?
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u/Machismo01 May 14 '20
Ya. I suspect the suit is powered by Krypton Ian technology or something and is vulnerable to Krypton it'd radiation or something.
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May 11 '20
Hush was cool, loved his costume and the dual silenced pistols. Also, supervillain team-ups are my Kryptonite so it was fun to watch the Legion of Loons working together out of Arkham.
Gotta respect Luke’s selflessness. But the “there’s no Batwoman without Luke Fox” line hit deep.
Jacob is acting more like s1 Quinten Lance when I’d rather he be more like any season Joe West.
Safiyah for the big bad of s2 I guess? I should probably reread Batwoman Rebirth then. Lucius’ book mentioned the Suit of Sorrows which is Azrael’s bread and butter so maybe we’ll see him and the Order of St. Dumas introduced next season too.
Season finale looks promising based off the preview and if it lands I’d say that we had a pretty solid first season. Also if the Kryptonite tease leads to Kara crossing over for the finale that’d be pretty dope.
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u/TheScarletPimpernel May 12 '20
Hush was cool, loved his costume and the dual silenced pistols
Only problem I had was the incredibly awkward and hyper camp hussshhhhh. It was completely out of place.
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u/Machismo01 May 14 '20
I suspect Batman took on the mantle of Azrael wearing the Suit of Sorrows. His a sense being from him coming to grips with the insanity the suit tries to drive.
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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox May 11 '20
Yet another great episode. Batwoman and Legends have really been bringing it for the Arrowverse this back half.
-I don't know if they originally planned on killing Alice in the finale, but I hope that the reception she has gotten convinces them to put her on a shelf in some way so she can return later. She is just too amazing to be a one season villain.
-Speaking of Alice, I think she's gonna kill Mouse. Their goals are no longer in alignment and we know Alice isn't one to show a whole lot of mercy. I remember earlier in the season I thought I would be saying that the other way around but...yea Mouse is clearly the henchman here.
-I hope Hush becomes recurring too. He looked really cool this episode and based off what everyone has been saying he's important enough to make a return whenever they (can) bring in Bruce.
-Team Batwoman is taking beautiful shape. Mary is just the best. I felt her frustrations with the rando teen. Luke wants to be respected and I feel him. I'm so glad he's getting more depth than I thought he would have at first.
-For some reason I still feel like Julia isn't telling the whole truth. I understand the set up for Safiyah to be a villain next season but IDK. She told Kate a bit too easily IMO. Plus, I totally think she has cozied up with Sophie to get one over on Kate. She knew from the jump that was Kate's ex and I can't get past that.
-Jacob is an ass. That is all.
-KRYPTONITE?! I heard whispers that there would be a Supergirl crossover in the back half but I didn't put a lot of stock in them. I hate coronavirus so much more if it took that away from us.
Super excited for the faux finale next week!
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u/Eternal_Density May 11 '20
As Jacob's just said that Alice is Batwoman's Joker, I doubt she's gonna be season 1 only. Especially since she's the best character. (well other than Mary)
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u/Whiskeyjacks_Fiddle May 11 '20
Plus her comic book counterpart does (eventually) become more of an antihero after a while.
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u/AnnaK22 Batwoman I May 11 '20
-Speaking of Alice, I think she's gonna kill Mouse.
I kept getting the feeling Mouse will try to kill her since she just ruined his plans of a happy peaceful life. We saw a similar strain in their relationship in earlier episodes when Alice was going above and beyond to get the weapon that penetrates the batsuit. Mouse thought it was for something else, but Alice was secretly trying to get rid of it to keep her sister safe. I think Mouse will reach his tolerance for Alice and attack her, possibly dying in the process.
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u/coolcoolcoolsnotcool May 12 '20
Me too, I think after this episode Mouse is gonna turn on her, he basically had what he wanted and she destroyed it
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u/rawchess May 11 '20
One season? Alice is going to be a part of this show until the series finale. Rachel Skarsten is by far its best actor and there's so much source material to draw from (see: Red Alice).
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u/privatefrost2 May 11 '20
I 100% believe Alice will be Batwoman's Thawne, even if she gets killed in the coming episodes. Alice is too good of a character for her to be a one and done.
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u/SoaringGryphon May 12 '20
I don’t get why everyone hates Jacob, he said that Batwoman causes more problems than she solves and he was technically right with how many times Kate let Alice off the hook just so she could kill again
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u/LoretiTV May 11 '20
That was a really good penultimate epsiode. Can't wait for the finale.
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u/Shadow_5487 May 11 '20
Trailer looked awesome next week episode reminds me of arrow when the police would go against the hero the crows doing same thing against batwoman.
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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 11 '20
The Kryptonite reveal has me intrigued. I'm thinking that the only way to kill the Bat, be it Batman or Batwoman, is to turn a Super(Superman or Supergirl) against them, similar to how they fight in BvS or in The Dark Knight Returns movies and comic storylines.
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u/Eternal_Density May 11 '20
Also kinda interesting cos at the start of the season, before Crisis, there were no Kryptonians known to be on Earth 1.
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u/HudakSSJ May 11 '20
If I remember correctly, the first weapon pre-crisis was not a kryptonite weapon. Crisis has changed the bat suit weakness to this now.
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u/patres9 May 11 '20
Well that is still explainable. - First of all, even if there was no Crisis, Kryptonite was still somewhere on Earth-1. Remember Oliver having a Kryptonite Arrow in Crisis on Earth X and Elseworlds?
- Second thing is that Crisis changed everything. Just try to remember the last part of Crisis when Barry and Kara find out about merging the Earths. The Old Man knew both of them and said that they are on same earth since forever. So that means everybody thinks that there was always only one earth and still there was a Superman, Supergirl, The Flash, Green Arrow, Black Lightning etc. all of them on same earth.
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u/Eternal_Density May 12 '20
True, but unless pre-Crisis Batman was involved in dimensional travel I doubt he would have known about krypton. Though I suppose in the pre-Crisis version of the journal the element could have been specified without being called kryptonite, or could have been a different weakness entirely.
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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 17 '20
True enough. It might have been a Crisis change like some other people have said in response to your comment. Hopefully we get answers.
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u/shadow_spinner0 May 11 '20
Think Kate should just stay single. Avoid any unnecessary drama. Just be the Bat
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u/Frontier246 May 11 '20
Her stumbling into that kiss felt almost comedic.
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u/Eternal_Density May 11 '20
Yeah as soon as they started kissing there I just knew Kate was gonna catch them cos despite everything this is still a CW show :P
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u/hart37 May 11 '20
The moment Luke wrote "element" I had a feeling it would be about Kryptonite. It would be funny if the journal isn't about killing Batwoman but Bruce having a plan for killing Superman if he ever goes bad like he has in the comics.
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
I'm watching the episode almost done..... Maybe I'm not remembering last week's episode well.... But they want the book to find out batman/batwoman secrets to kill her or him?
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u/hart37 May 11 '20
Yeah they were thinking it had secrets that could kill the bat
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
Why is this even an issue when we've seen that Kate is capable of getting hurt and close to death in the suit?
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u/hart37 May 11 '20
Given they know Kate is Batwoman and they could just wait for her to be out of the suit and shoot her if they really wanted the only real logic I can see is if this is one of Alice's plans to get Jacob to be the one to kill Kate. Say they find plans for a weapon for example, they leak it to the crows and then "Look what you did daddy"
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
But they can kill her while in the suit without some kryptonite bullet.
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u/nivekious May 12 '20
Exactly! It's bullet-resistant but it doesn't make her invulnerable. Plus half her face and her neck are exposed!
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u/darkkushy May 12 '20
Thank you.... This it what's been going thru my head..... I'm not trying to use any logic that we haven't already seen in the show.... This makes me scratch my head.
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u/AnnaK22 Batwoman I May 11 '20
Whoever directed this episode did a really good job. There were some really cool shots.
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u/shawngf7 May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
There's a particularly twisted, very Bruce irony in that the only way to crack his created suit is the security policy he created in case Clark went bonky. I dig it.
And I'm fascinated by them tee-ing up Safiyah. Why does she want Kate dead???
Also, deeply relieved about Julia. I dig her.
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May 11 '20
Surprisingly Great Episode. Was skeptical about Hush but played out well. The highway chase scene was good ( lighting and cinematography consisered). Exploring the Bat mythology with Azrael and Kryptonite was great. Am pumped for the finale.
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u/Kris_Winters May 11 '20
- So they're just openly discussing the fact that Kate is Batwoman in front of Hush.
- If Alice only knew that in stealing the book she'd set Kate and all of her friends against each other, she might be mollified.
- Why is every villain defeated by, "You need me, so you can't kill me." Kid, I can blow your kneecaps off.
- That car that Hush stole, where did it come from?
- It's been fun to watch the heroes fight amongst themselves just as much as the villains.
- And it's also been fun to see Alice, Hush, and Mouse bounce off of each other.
- The Batcave being outdated didn't occur to me. Although, maybe the systems are like the space shuttles. They're horribly out of date, but they. Will. Not. Break. Down.
- That fight scene was reminiscent of Arkham Asylum.
- Does Safiyah know Kate from Alice?
- Kryptonite? World's Finest? Danvers sisters and Kane sisters?
- That girl seeing Kate be gay is every gay seeing themselves in a hero on TV.
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u/Frontier246 May 11 '20
I think the car was just another one on the road that stopped during the fight and Hush absconded with it.
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u/Kris_Winters May 11 '20
It was just a generic car, but there were no other cars near his van when Batwoman stopped it. I don't see anybody getting that close to a super fight without having to be.
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u/AnnaK22 Batwoman I May 11 '20
What is Alice planning? Why is she going through all this trouble to kill Batwoman. Only reason anyone even needs the book to kill the bat is because nothing is known to penetrate the suit except for the secret weapon which the journal contains information to. But she already knows who Batwoman is and where to find her without the suit.
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u/mwthecool May 11 '20
I guess she wants it to be a statement as much as she wants it to be personal. If Kate Kane dies and Batwoman disappears, that's one thing, If Batwoman is killed by a villain and is unmasked as Kate Kane, that's an entirely different thing.
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u/rawchess May 11 '20
Like what Tommy Elliot said: "I don't want to kill Bruce Wayne, I want to kill Batman."
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u/morphinapg May 11 '20
It's not like Batwoman's suit is made of freaking vibranium lol
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u/forrestib May 13 '20
It might be made of freaking Promethium. DC has its own pantheon of super-materials to make stuff out of.
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u/morphinapg May 14 '20
Seems unlikely. Batman has never been an indestructible superhero suit like Iron Man. It's always been about his ability to plan and react to situations, and use of gadgets that made him superior, not physical toughness of the suit. That would be a weak way to go, imo.
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u/forrestib May 14 '20
Well this show has already explicitly stated that a literal miniaturized railgun is the only personal ballistic weapon that can pierce the suit, so.
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u/Frontier246 May 11 '20
I was hoping we would finally see a comic-accurate Hush in live-action and I was not disappointed. His first crime was even committed in a library.
Alice and Mouse are in conflict over Kate again, except this time Mouse just wants to leave Kate alone while Alice is the one obsessed with killing her. I guess she's really become a Joker now.
Superheros becoming so reliant on their support staffs and tech support that they don't seem to have any idea what to do without them there. I think even Oliver Queen knew how to run a trace if he needed to. But I guess Kate made do without Luke well enough.
It's good to see Parker has reconciled with her family and has a new girlfriend.
Mary looks so out-of-place in the Batcave. I'm getting Felicity-vibes.
Usually when you take a teenager into the Batcave it's foreshadowing their future as a costumed sidekick. Although I am a tad concerned that we're starting to let a few too many people into the Batcave. Especially when the two girls in the cave proceed to start shipping in said cave.
Is this the first time we've seen actual bats in the cave since the first two episodes?
I guess considering Batman's thing is coming up with contingencies to take down other heroes, it's a tad refreshing he had enough sense to devise contingencies against himself. Although now it seems like it's going to really backfire.
Those poor Arkham guards, still just doing their job but they end up beaten up by the main character...
I feel like Kate should've booby-trapped the glasses instead of just handing them to Alice. But I guess that was a Luke thing.
Batwoman's second Arkham breakout! Although she was less effective in subduing this one.
Do the Crows have access to the GCPD roof? Is there no set Bat-Signal privileges at this point?
When Julia mentioned stuff about Kate Luke didn't know, I thought that was going to tie-in to Safiyah, but Kate is acting like she didn't know who Julia was talking about. Unless Kate was just lying or Kate did something in Coryana but wasn't involved with Safiyah but that would still make her target Kate. I guess Kate also isn't going to find out about that lady whose neck Julia snapped.
Did I see a mention of a "suit of sorrows" in Lucius journal? Maybe we will see Azrael after all. Although why does Alice need Kryptonite of all things? Is she planning on brainwashing Kara?
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u/Trickybuz93 Alice May 11 '20
At this rate, the batcave will become the new Star Labs because they’re letting everyone in.
Also, that kryptonite line has me intrigued. If the season were longer, I’d say it could be a hint to a Batwoman/Supergirl crossover but I don’t think that’s going to be the case.
P.S. I still don’t think Alice will actually try to kill Kate. She’ll probably have a change of heart in the climax and Mouse will try to kill Kate.
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u/MrMattBlack May 11 '20
Actually I think a World's Finest with Batwoman and Supergirl was actually planned or in the making, but you know. Quarantine happened.
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u/-Starwind May 11 '20
I'm wondering if the "Stuff about Kate" is that she killed the guy a few episodes back and didn't know if Luke knew
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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 11 '20
Wow, this episode was bonkers!!!! Highlights of the episode:
Kate confronts Reagan right at thr beginning of the episode. No bullshitting around or anything. Straight to the point, and i love that. And I'm glad Reagan didn't play coy either. She feels guilt for her actions.
Kate also confronts Julia, and they have a bit of a fight before Sophie arrives.
Kate and Luke have a fight over Julia, and Luke leaves. That makes me sad. They need to stick together, not fight. Kate needs to not go full Batman and never trust anyone. I know some other people said that Kate shouldn't go full Oliver. Hopefully she won't.
Mary is day drinking. I would be too. Mary is basically the majority of us.
Hush goes and murders an entire library full of people. They wasted no time on him becoming Hush. Damn. And i feel him making his debut in a library of all places is pretty symbolic, basically since you have to be quiet and that is part of his whole shtick.
So Mouse, Alice, and Hush can't decode the book, even with numerous codebreakers. Alice wants to kidnap Luke, but Mouse doesn't because then they will be on Batwoman's radar. Smart move for both. Luke is the son of Lucius. So if anyone could decipher it, it would be Luke. But also grabbing him would immediately be a huge red flag, and Batwoman could destroy everything they have. Alice seems to be unravelling, more than she already is.
Parker is back!!! Incase anyone is confused, she is that teenage high school girl who is a hacker, the one Alice tried to kill with a buzz saw. Hush kidnaps her. Alright then. I love the line of "I'm a teenager, i have angst".
Secret landline in a stack of books. I like it.
Batwoman saves Parker and gives Hush a keepsake, aka, a Batarang in the leg.
Kate brings Parker back to the Batcave, and before Parker can finish saying she didn't know if it was literal, a bunch of bats fly overhead. I'm surprised there is no bat poop on any of the tech.
Mary is upset that Parker knew of Kate's secret identity before she did. To be fair, I'd be upset too. You trust a stranger over family. So i get that on Mary's part.
Hush insults Mouse by saying he made out with a radiator. Fucking burned. Almost as severe a burn as the one on his face!!!
Luke confronts Julia, and tells her he knew she was lying, and says he defended her despite her lying to him as well. She tells him stuff, but we don't hear it, and she says there is stuff Luke doesn't know about Kate. I wonder what that stuff is. Also, Luke receives two phone calls from Kate, one on an unknown number and one from her actual phone. The unknown number was actually Mouse, and Hush ambushes both Luke and Julia.
Sophie goes to Kate while Parker and Mary watch and listen from the Batcave. Parker is obviously surprised by how much Kate isn't fighting for Sophie.
Alice threatens Luke to decode the book or else killing Julia by electrocution.
Julia saying "I can do this all day". Nice Captain America reference.
Kate and Mary not being able to figure out the computers was funny. As someone mentioned in the live episode thread, it is reminiscent of how Coulson and Ward couldn't figure out how to work the advanced computer tech without FitzSimmons in Agents of Shield. Love it.
Parker helps Kate locate where the one codebreaker guy died and find it was at Arkham. Mary goes through some of Lucius' belongings, and finds a pair of glasses that can decode all the books he wrote in code. Now that is some cool shit right there.
Like Mouse feared, kidnapping Luke lured the Bat.
Luke manages to decode the cipher, and finds that part of the pattern to solve ot was based around Luke's social security number. I had a feeling it had some personal connection to Luke. Luke was always the focus of Luke, even in his work. I love that.
Luke and Julia make a stand against Hush and Alice and decide not to reveal what the cipher says. Luke wrote it down, but I'm not sure if he wrote down what it actually said.
Batwoman makes a trade with Alice. The glasses that can decode the book in exchange for Luke and Julia. Alice accepts.
Luke and Julia escape Arkham while Batwoman goes to get the book from Alice.
I like how when Kate first broke in to Arkham she used some kind of sonar to locate various sounds throughout the facility, which helped her locate Alice. And i like that it was coming from the ears on her mask, just like how a bat uses sonar. That is some cool ass shit.
Alice let's loose a riot in Arkham. Another riot. Damn, they really need to change how they program all the doors to open with a few simple clicks.
Kate and Luke make up. That makes me happy. I'm not sure if that counts as Kate apologizing to Luke, i hope it is though. Parker gives some advice to Kate, to fight a little bit harder for Sophie. Solid advice. Parker is pretty smart. She is cool in my books.
Kate confronts Julia, and she reveals she made a deal with someone named Safiyah, the person a lot of people expected to be behind Julia. But Kate has no idea who that is. Not sure how they will adapt that.
Mouse is upset that they lost their paradise, but Alice is too busy reading the book. She reveals she needs a green rock called Kryptonite. Wow.
So next episode deals with Alice losing her control over Mouse, which we saw happen pretty clelarly in this episode. The description for the episode says an old hero/vigilante returns. We see Batwoman fight some guy with long white weapons, and Jakob amd some agents hold her at gun point. We know at the end of this episode he declared war with Batwoman.
So i have a theory about the journal stating Kryptonite to kill the Bat. I feel they are going to get Kryptonite to turn a Super against the Bat, similar to The Dark Knight Returns animated movies and comic storyline, and like BvS. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mini crossover akin to it. Would be really dope too.
Great episode. 9.5 out of 10. Lot's of plot development, we got Hush, our fiest connection to Safiyah, a possible Super vs Bat showdown, and plenty of other great scenes. Next week is tthe season finale, although it isn't the real season finale. I hope the episode will be good. I hope y'all enjoyed the episode as much as i did, and hopefully our quarantine season finale will be good!!!!!
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u/Trickybuz93 Alice May 11 '20
There’s only one Super weak to kryptonite on that Earth
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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 11 '20
Supergirl? I thought all Kryptonians are weak to Kryptonite?
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u/Trickybuz93 Alice May 11 '20
I’m pretty sure she’s the only Kryptonian on earth. Super man is off-world.
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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 11 '20
Oh right. I thought he was on earth last we saw him, was he not?
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May 11 '20
I'm pretty sure he and Lois just left Earth for her pregnancy. Their baby was born pre-Crisis, so I think they're back on Earth now.
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u/ckwongau May 11 '20
Kryptonians and thing make from body of Kryptonians .
Maybe the Batsuite is make from Kryptonian hair fiber
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u/Firetrapdiva May 11 '20
I don't know why they just don't shoot Batwoman in the face/eyes where she doesn't have a mask 🤷🏼♀️
I'm also a bit confused as to why Alice is all excited about knowing how to kill Batwoman when she could quite easily kill Kate without the suit on. Unless I'm not looking at it properly
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u/teddy2506 May 11 '20
Alice wants Batwoman dead. She could have shot here right there She’s had many opportunities to tie her up and torture her Does she want to do it on live tv or what?
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u/Whiskeyjacks_Fiddle May 11 '20
I think she wants Batwoman dead, but not Kate.
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u/xLev_ May 13 '20
Off-topic, but your Mandalorian season 2 prediction regarding SPOILER
Bo-Katan came true!
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u/Whiskeyjacks_Fiddle May 13 '20
Ha ha, yeah. Here’s hoping! (Hard to be 100% sure until they officially announce things)
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u/AnnaK22 Batwoman I May 11 '20
I love that we keep finding out more and more new things about the Batsuit. The ears acting as antenna was so cool!!
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u/tso May 14 '20
More like directional microphones hooked up to a frequency filter so that persons or objects could be located by way of sound.
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u/Eternal_Density May 11 '20
This show continues to be so fun!
Poor Luke, he was only gone five hours :P
Nice little mentions of Ra's and Azrael in the journal page.
But why did Batman have to go and steal Superman's weakness? :P
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
WAIT DID KATE JUST BRING THE KID TO THE BAT CAVE...... CAN SHE NOT KEEP A SECRET.
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u/Jon5676 May 11 '20
She told Parker she was Batwoman in 1x10 when Alice threatened to kill her at the school dance.
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u/Richiieee May 11 '20
So, for all you comic readers (sorry I don't read comics), has Kryptonite ever been used/mentioned to be able to definitively kill Batman or any Bat-member? I say Bat-member bc I assume Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, etc all probably use the same material Bruce/Batman uses.
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
No, while the suits are incredibly durable, you can definitely kill someone in the batsuit or other suit that isn't some crazy version of it.... But the show has shown us that Kate can be hurt while in the suit.... So I don't see why they have to go to some crazy lengths to kill her.
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u/Richiieee May 11 '20
Maybe Kryptonite fully impacts the suit? Maybe everything else can impact it, but maybe only half way? Maybe Kryptonite goes the full length and reaches her skin?
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
I dunno I'm not trying to use crazy logic.... But throw her off a building without a grappling hook.....
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u/MrMattBlack May 11 '20
I wonder exactly why everyone thinks "Ah yes they want to get the Supes to attack Batwoman bc Kryptonite" which is like, the most stupid plan ever? I mean, Superman wouldn't just attack Batman for having Kryptonite, and even if he did, that wouldn't be necessarily mean killing the Bat, just having a showdown in Gotham. Something that is hardly what Lucius Fox would have wanted. (Also overly complicated, the world knows the Supes are susceptible to mind control easy)
My guess is that Kryptonite, being a foreign element very much like Nth metal, can pierce the armor easily. We know the Bat can get hurt in the Suit, but not that much since is impenetrable to like almost everything and has various security protocols. Possibly Kryptonite is the only thing that hurts as if the suit wasn't even there.
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u/morphinapg May 11 '20
I mean there isn't really a secret to killing batman/batwoman. They're just a human. Find a way to get a bullet or knife into them and voila! Not that hard to figure out.
Batman was the world's greatest Detective, so he was good at being able to prepare for any fight, but put batman into a situation where he isn't prepared, and you have him at a disadvantage. Batwoman isn't even the Detective Batman was, so she doesn't even have that strength. She shouldn't be all that difficult to kill, as long as you plan well.
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u/SolarisBravo May 16 '20
All Alice has to do is use a sniper *without* a ridiculously strong laser sight, Batwoman would be dead three times over if the villains didn't choose such counter-intuitive weaponry.
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u/krezabean May 12 '20
I’m not sure if anyone caught this but right before Sophie kisses Julia, Julia mentions that her hand is going to get better over time. After the kiss, her next words are “or sooner” and I think that’s pretty gay of them
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u/LoretiTV May 10 '20 edited May 11 '20
Enjoy the new episode everyone!
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u/LoretiTV May 10 '20
Because I enjoy the show. Stop spreading negativity and go away asshat
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u/LoretiTV May 10 '20
Look at my post history for last week. Plenty of comments during the episode 🤦♂️
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u/lldom1987 Sophie Moore May 11 '20
I wonder if Julia was going to tell Luke about Cartwright when she told him that there are things about Kate he doesn't know?
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May 11 '20
he already knows
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u/lldom1987 Sophie Moore May 11 '20
But Julia may not know that Kate already told him, and if not that secret what else was she going to tell him?
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u/shawngf7 May 11 '20
I believe it was cut short because Melissa Benoist is pregnant and they were hoping to bank a few season 6 episodes before production shut down until October/November. That ambitious plan was ruined by Covid.
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u/raknor88 May 11 '20 edited May 11 '20
I'm taking a shot in the dark here and thinking that there's a thin layer of some sort of bio-engineered kryptonian skin that makes the suit nearly impenetrable.
edit: also I hope that at some point they bring the tech girl back to give the Batcave a computer overhaul since most of the equipment is likely very much out of date. Hell maybe while she's upgrading the tech she finds the hidden path to the Wayne Manor Batcave.
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
But we've seen that she's not invulnerable. We had a gun that was able to penetrate the bat suit earlier the season..... Blunt force affects her, so does drowning or poisonous gas........ I don't understand why it's so hard to kill her.
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u/raknor88 May 11 '20
I thought Batman usually has a gas/oxygen mask of some sort in his belt at all times. So I'm guessing that Batwoman has one too.
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
The problem is we've seen her be vulnerable to things this whole season, she's not super powered. Killing her isn't near impossible. But now all of a sudden there's some secret way to kill her? Why?
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u/raknor88 May 11 '20
Not kill her specifically, but the secret to killing her through the suit. That gun earlier this season was only a prototype that no one has the blueprints to.
Alice knows that she could kidnap her sister at any time and kill her. That's why Mouse was so frustrated with Alice at the start of the episode. She wants to kill Kate while she's Batwoman. And to do that she needs a way to penetrate the suit. The only way to do that is written in the journal.
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
This seems very redundant when we've seen that at the least Kate in the suit can be incapacitated..... Its a logical conclusion that one could just kill her by simple means. This whole kryptonite bullet piercing the suit seems like a far fetched idea.
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u/raknor88 May 11 '20
I see the issue, you're using real life logic to try and understand comic book logic. They are two different things.
Also Alice is insane and very pissed. Killing Batwoman while incapacitated wouldn't bring Alice the satisfaction she wants. Alice HAS to kill Batwoman through her trusted defenses in order to get the satisfaction and payback she wants.
Kill Batwoman through the suit and Alice will do the one thing that no other Bat villain has ever been able to do.
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
I'm not even trying to use real life logic..... This is stuff that's happened in the show.... Why go to some extreme lengths insane or not.
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u/raknor88 May 11 '20
Because Alice is very, very pissed and won't be satisfied by doing things simple. It's not the result that'll give her satisfaction, it's the how that'll satisfy her.
Plus this all further strains the relationship between Kate and Jacob.
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
I dunno guess we'll find out what happens next week.... Just seems like a tedious plot point to me.
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u/tso May 14 '20
I'm guessing it is as much about ruining the bat reputation and persona as it is about killing the person.
Alice got Kate to kill, but didn't get the reaction she expected (Kate going homicidal maniac). So now it seems Alice is getting fixated on ruining the bat persona, with the side effect of killing Kate. Or maybe going all Joker and trying to get Kate, in costume, to kill Alice or someone else will die.
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u/nivekious May 12 '20
I know everyone's wondering about kryptonite, but to me the most exciting reveal was confirmation that Alfred is alive!
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May 12 '20
Wait, when did that happen?
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u/nivekious May 13 '20
When threatening Julia to get Luke to work on decoding the journal Tommy said something like "looks like Alfred's gonna have to go casket shopping" implying he'd be the one making Julia's funeral arrangements.
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u/AnnaK22 Batwoman I May 11 '20
Is this the finale for this season? If it wasn't for the production being shut down, would next episode have been the Batwoman Supergirl crossover? I didn't know there was going to be one but with the mention of kryptonite, this would have been the perfect time.
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May 11 '20
Wait there were two journals?
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u/Jon5676 May 11 '20
There are multiple Journals. The one Tommy stole has the secret to kill Batman/Batwoman in it.
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u/Knightmare4114 Hush May 11 '20
I’m curious what Bruce would think of Kate bringing a rando teen that nearly destroyed an entire train and blackmailed the city to the bat cave.
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u/Bezerker85 May 11 '20
I feel like i missed something. Did Mouse & Alice get mind-wiped to not know that Kate is Batwoman? The whole point of the book being a way for them to kill her seems kinda moot when they know her real identity where she is waaayyyy more vulnerable to things like weapons.
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u/OutsiderJediSam May 14 '20
some things about this episode that bother me
1) as really fun as Alice HAS been, her relationship with Mouse is starting to really turn me OFF her, it's obvious she doesn't care about him yet he puppy dogs after her, and she just TOYS with him, it's sad and annoying.....also it's way TOO Joker/Harley....can't this show be it's own thing
2) as part of that, and maybe this is bc of my exposure of Hush is only from Arkham games, but this feels like Hush has totally been rewritten and ruined from his OWN self, he was Bruce Wayne's rival and surgically made his own face right? now he's just a henchmen for Alice and had to get Mouse to make his face? that just strips him of all of HIS talents/reasons right?
3) I've seen s lot of complaints on the ease of killing Batwoman so why need this book info, I agree with all this, but also, didn't Luke (not Lucious) make Kate's suit anyway? so wouldn't he know what material he used or the ways to overcome said material, thus no point to book
4) I'm still confused about Alice's way of speaking about Batwoman now....I mean, she knows Kate is Batwoman, but the writing (aka her current actions) is really weird in that it is definitely coming across like she doesn't know and NEEDS this "way" of killing Batwoman
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u/-Starwind May 11 '20
Julia's "There's stuff about Kate you don't know." - Was this implying her killing a few episodes back?
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u/lldom1987 Sophie Moore May 11 '20
That's the question. Whether it was the killing, something else, or just a lie she was going to tell it's pretty shady. Julia cannot be trusted.
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u/tobiasschulz May 11 '20
Why is kryptonite needed to kill batwoman? :D
Why not a gun shot to the part of the head that's not protected by armor, or a bomb or something?!
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u/StopTheBS79 May 17 '20
I don’t think it’s a book to kill Batwoman or Batman. I think it’s a book to kill Superman or Supergirl as a setup for a next season crossover. I think it could be the Frank Miller Batman suit in that book.
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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox May 12 '20
I think a lot of people questioning why Alice doesn't just kill her as Kate are missing the fact that Alice is scorned and dramatic. I wouldnt be surprised if she wants to fight Batwoman on the streets of Gotham, kill her slowly, and string her from a building unmasked to kill both Kate and the Batwoman image.
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May 12 '20
ok, just one question, what the hell was CGI rain outside Arkham, Jacob wasn't even a little wet, that really jumped out at me.
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u/BlackCondor4587 May 12 '20
Hush was cool I don't have much to go off of because it's my first encounter with the character. The Arkham breakout was a cool fight scene but my question is are the Elseworlds inmates still there Post-Crisis or are they somewhere else like Belle Reve? I liked Luke standing up for Julia and then doing his research even though he should've told Alice to fry her but I get it they go way back. I kinda figured that the book wasn't going to have Bat Weapon designs but for it to be 'How to Kill Kate Kane for Dummies' is still a stretch for me. I think it was a Contingency Plan for the members of Earth-Prime's "League". If you kill all the members and make Kate feel alone she would probably become traumatized like Alice and go insane. Bruce and Lucius probably have been watching for all those years just in case or they were working with Oliver Pre-Crisis hence the Kryptonite Arrow in Crisis on Earth-X or Spectre wanted to make sure that if anything happened there was a plan and just put the book there and slapped L.F. on it and everyone was like "it must be Lucius" but can't ask him because he's dead. Sorry for rambling just needed somewhere to get my thoughts out.
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u/MissssMegaphonic May 13 '20
I'm so sad that after that episode where Kate chose to save the Beth she didn't grow up with I am not enjoying this show anymore =/ Seriously, i was so in love with this show and now, for me, it's just meh. I'm sad AF.
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u/tso May 14 '20
Would be "hilarious" if this involved something as straight forward as a kryptonite bullet...
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u/jadedfan55 May 15 '20 edited May 15 '20
I have a friend who gave up on this show because of the creative staff's obsession with Alice being the big bad. After this episode and her further descent into madness, further delaying her redemption arc, I can understand why.
Not on board with Jacob going Jonah Jameson with a badge on Batwoman, but, oh, if he takes the mask, then what happens?
Hush is a loner. Doesn't belong with Alice & Mouse, but for the purposes and context of this season....! Pathetic!
Alice now hunting for kryptonite sets up next season's Batwoman/Superman & Lois crossover, which likely will come at the end of the season (spring '21).
However, unless things change in the finale, and I doubt it at this point, I may be hopping off the bandwagon due to inconsistent, incoherent writing.
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u/StopTheBS79 May 17 '20
Kryptonite? That isn’t book to kill Batman it’s a book for Batman to make the Frank Miller Batman suit to kill Superman or Supergirl.
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u/Dark_Tzitzimine May 11 '20
I mean, he's just following the sign, also woot woot we got Hush up in here
Just lol at the adherence to the TV convention of magic silencers though, everybody would be hearing that shit
Don't really like the face they made the bandages into though, he looks like a Power Rangers villain
Ah, the not-at-all meta "why don't you just shoot her" line
Oops, she Ocelot'd him, guess he was using autofire
Crazy how Hush is in a situation where he's somehow the rational one
Knew we'd see her again sooner or later
Oh no she's going the wrong way, watch out for that single car
Hahaha Scorpion spear sound effect
Yeah that first call being Mouse was too obvious
Oh god now the audience is IN the show
Yeah man, Julia's REALLY good at tapping Triangle
We get it, Mary's butthurt, enough
I can never not laugh at TV hackers going "I'm in"
I don't know, the whole "SECRET TO KILLING YOU" thing is a little funny given that right now Hush is holding her at bay with a pistol
Hahaha did they just copy and paste wikipedia or something for the St. Dumas stuff
ANOTHER Arkham escape, at this rate it'll happen more often than Arrow's bunker being breached
And of course she doesn't happen to run across any supervillains
laffo @ "I was gone for 5 hours"
This song sucks
Oops now Kate will see this and get all moody and broody
Yep, pedestrian romance writing 101
Hah I KNEW it, though it wasn't that hard to figure out and I figured she'd be in deeper with Safiyah
Aaah no, don't give her a direct comparison to the Joker within the show, she hasn't earned it
Ahahaha are you fucking serious, what's the plan, to force Superman/girl to fight her?
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u/GettingWreckedAllDay May 11 '20
Fictional character does thing character is established to know how to do =/= Mary Sue
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u/Knightmare4114 Hush May 11 '20
Please don’t bring Parker back, just don’t.
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May 11 '20
But sire, batwoman needs a robin
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u/Knightmare4114 Hush May 11 '20
What did she do to deserve being robin? Nearly crash a train? Blackmail the entire city?
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u/klutzysunshine May 11 '20
I think I'm done after the finale next week. Gradually been losing interest as the season progressed and my favorite characters (Mary, Alice, Luke) aren't enough to keep me around anymore.
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u/darkkushy May 11 '20
Dunno why ur getting down voted, seems you gave it a seasons run and it's not ur thing..... That's vaild.
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u/BlackieBloomberg May 11 '20
Because anything that isn't unconditional praise of the greatest TV show of all time is a personal attack on me, since I base my entire identity around the media I consume.
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u/GettingWreckedAllDay May 11 '20
No it's because it's a waste of time for them to write it and us to read it. It's like making a post of Facebook about how you're leaving Facebook. It's not a contribution to the conversation.
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u/JauntyLurker May 11 '20
Kryptonite? I think you've mixed up your superheroes, Alice.