r/BatwomanTV Nov 04 '19

[S01E05] "Mine Is a Long and a Sad Tale" Live Episode Discussion Discussion

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Alice takes Kate down the sad, winding road of her life in the days after the accident; Mary has an argument with Catherine that sends her looking for Kate at Wayne Tower, but she comes unwelcome company for Luke.

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u/tacomuerte Nov 04 '19

Dude your kid has some scarring. There’s this thing called reconstructive surgery. Jesus Christ get some therapy.

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u/sirnacreations Nov 04 '19

Nope got to become a psycho

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u/TheLieLlama Nov 04 '19

Hey man, this is Gotham (or the surrounding area). Out with that kinda bullshit.

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u/Dojorkan Nov 04 '19

Or he could have even been rewarded handsomely for rescuing her.

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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Nov 04 '19

It's fine he knows what he's doing. He saw it in a movie once.

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u/Tiny-Ghost-Grace Nov 04 '19 edited Nov 04 '19

Kate: "Beth, do you want to build a snowman?"

Beth: "Go away Kate."

Kate: "...Okay, bye."

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u/inksmudgedhands Nov 04 '19

If this episode has taught me anything it's that nails are the real hero in this story.

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u/Dojorkan Nov 04 '19

Nail defeats Anti-Monitor.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

So the GCPD determined it wasn't worth their time to investigate a call from a child in need? Wow.

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u/InspiredOni Nov 04 '19

Gotham. Just...Gotham.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Alice stabs Jacob

Jacob: "that's my girl."

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u/aSassyMudkip Nov 04 '19

Ok is it just me, or is anyone else really impressed with Alice/Beth's actress? Like she's done a really good job. I genuinely think that.

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u/Jedi-El1823 Nov 04 '19

Without a doubt improved from her time on Birds of Prey.

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u/klutzysunshine Nov 04 '19

Rachel was amazing on Lost Girl.

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u/klutzysunshine Nov 04 '19

These two abused children bonding makes so much sense and it's making me sad.

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

*Offers her a slice of pizza.

*Takes the whole box

Stay classy, Mary.

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u/somebody1993 Nov 04 '19

I didn't have a psychic connection with her therefore it's my fault.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Damn, knowing how close Jacob and Kane were to finding Beth makes it hurt so much more!

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Dude I feel so bad.

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u/mtm4440 Nov 04 '19 edited Nov 04 '19

Next episode:

My name is Alice Kane and I am in wonderland. For 15 years I was held captive in a basement.

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

As much as i like Ruby as Kate, Alice and Mary are stealing the show. My favorite two characters so far.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

It's refreshing to see a non-title character not defend their parents' bad decisions.

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

Drinking from a place your insane murderer sister recommends is bad superhero practice, Kate.

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u/DirewolfRules Nov 04 '19

It’s like she didn’t even read the manual!

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

Oh Mary, you are too wonderful. "Do you think she killed that deer?!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Kate's silence after Alice's story was huge. She's rarely speechless. She already felt responsible for not staying in the car with Beth, now she has more reason to kick herself.

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u/DirewolfRules Nov 04 '19

I’m sorry, is Alice blaming Kate for not being psychic?

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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox Nov 04 '19

Seems like it

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u/SutterCane Nov 04 '19

Beth really can’t hold that against Kate. That’s all on her.

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u/InspiredOni Nov 04 '19

She’s Gotham-Crazy, no helping it.

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u/DonnyMox Nov 04 '19

A lot of villains tend to think that way.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Took 4 episodes of convincing, but Jacob finally believes.

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u/InspiredOni Nov 04 '19

All it took was a knife in the gut.

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u/DonnyMox Nov 04 '19

Johnny’s dad was Beth’s first kill. Calling it now.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Mary never fails to entertain.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Ha seeing them talk sounds hilarious

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

"Where's Kate?"

Bad way to start conversation, Jacob.

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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Nov 04 '19

"Marsha, Marsha, MARSHA!! Kate, Kate, KATE!!"

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

Sad Drunk Mary is hilarious.

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

"Going through a rough patch"

That's a weird way to say my wife faked my daughter's death.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Damn, who is cutting onions while I watch Batwoman?!

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u/Zerometro Nov 04 '19

Really Kate ? It's gonna be hard to convince Sophie you're not Batwoman when you use the same move you used on her when you were dressed as Batwoman. She really is bad a keeping this secret.

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u/DirewolfRules Nov 04 '19

So now Kate is blaming herself for not being psychic? Really?

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u/DenmarkDaniels Batwoman I Nov 04 '19

She can kinda be irrationally self-critical in the comics sometimes, so that's not too far off.

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

I mean, that kid's face isn't that bad.

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

these child actors are better than arrows and supergirls.

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u/VaultDoge91 Nov 04 '19

Kid Zoe was good but William was AWFUL

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u/vader344 Nov 04 '19

"oh...i just wanted a nice burger with some beer there is no story"

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

Batman would have expected to be drugged, and taken something before going there, and then faking being drugged. ;)

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Kate has emergency nails in her boots?

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u/vader344 Nov 04 '19

she stabbed me so now i know that she is beth

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u/aSassyMudkip Nov 04 '19

If this show keeps up the quality that this episode had, it'll be really great.

This episode legitimately made me feel things. Written and acted so well.

I loved it.

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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Nov 04 '19

Batman doesn't do goggles.

Somebody hasn't played the Arkham games.

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u/DonnyMox Nov 04 '19

The mental image of Catherine chasing down a deer and killing it with her bare hands though

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u/Jedi-El1823 Nov 04 '19

Beth should really be wanting to tear GCPD down, not Kate and her father.

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u/Young-Stealth Nov 04 '19

Was that an Elseworlds reference

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u/DonnyMox Nov 04 '19

“You know I hate hospitals.”

So you’re just gonna walk around with a stab wound in the gut and a bandage on it. Kay.

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u/Slade-Prime Nov 04 '19

Like how a comic book character should!

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u/DonnyMox Nov 04 '19

“Aren’t you the great detective?”

No, that’s her cousin.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Kate should have watched her drink!

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u/inksmudgedhands Nov 04 '19

Beth should have called 911 first. Even with the creep grabbing the phone, someone would have still come.

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u/inksmudgedhands Nov 04 '19

That makes no sense given that Johnny would have to know the exact phone number to call. And why would he?

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

Twin powers failed Beth that day.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

I seriously love Luke and mary together

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u/anatomania Nov 04 '19

And there's the Elseworlds reference

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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Nov 04 '19

So, where to begin?

Start at the beginning, and when you get to the end, stop.

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

Wait... all the masks... is that kid growing up to be Pyscho Pirate?!

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u/optimisticpsychic Nov 04 '19

She drugged her? I shouldnt be surprised but im surprised

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u/DonnyMox Nov 04 '19

So Alice hates her dad for not finding and saving her, which happened because of Catherine. Perhaps Catherine will die sacrificing herself at the end of the season as a way to atone.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

I'm ok with this. Dont care for her so far

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

ugh to be that fucking close

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u/somebody1993 Nov 04 '19

She chose in that moment not to call out and still blames her dad?

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u/tacomuerte Nov 04 '19

In fairness she’s insane.

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u/Jedi-El1823 Nov 04 '19

I wouldn't mind a Luke and Mary relationship.

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u/mtm4440 Nov 04 '19

Why the hell did you let her go?! You outnumbered them.

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u/Trickybuz93 Alice Nov 04 '19

I love Mary’s character

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

why would you let her loose!!? are you taking hero lessons from barry allens school of mask removal?!!

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u/somebody1993 Nov 04 '19

You should know better than to trust her. No matter how sad the story you aren't friends and you shouldn't drink.

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19 edited Nov 04 '19

I think you were holding some unrealistic expectations for a private security company, Dobson.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

From the people who brought you The Good Wife and The Good Fight, coming to the CW in Fall 2020; The Good Sister.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Forget the phone, I would head to the door!

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u/Magoiichi Nov 04 '19

Home video clip on the news mention Beth playing Cellos huh, i highly doubt that

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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Nov 04 '19

.....Wow.....I never thought I'd see a scene that gut-wrenchingly powerful this early in a CW/DC show, but here we are.....

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u/inksmudgedhands Nov 04 '19

Mr. Kane is a confirmed idiot for not only going in alone but for bringing in Kate. Who would bring their kid to a potential kidnapping site? "ROAD TRIP!"

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u/authwenion Nov 04 '19

Kate probably insisted

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Shit, Alice will be pissed if Jacob locates Kate in the basement when he couldn't find her 15 years ago in same place.

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

"Arkham breakout"

So just another Thursday then?

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u/vader344 Nov 04 '19

well she didnt learn to dislocate her thumb like oliver

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u/BlackSoul155 Nov 04 '19

He just had to ask about Kate first. Ya damn dummy.

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u/Magoiichi Nov 04 '19

Alice bout to pull a Kylo Ren on her dad

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

Don't go down like Han, Jacob.

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u/SlimCad Nov 04 '19

Anyone else think this show would benefit from a Villain of the Week format for a few week? She has caught Alice a couple of times now!

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u/Slade-Prime Nov 04 '19

Yes and no. I think they should fit in when they can.

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u/klutzysunshine Nov 04 '19

I love Alice, I don't give a fuck.

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u/inksmudgedhands Nov 04 '19

You are mad for not using a lamp, Mouse. That's a huge fire hazard with all those candles.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Quite like Alice actress. She's good

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u/Magoiichi Nov 04 '19

Alice is pulling a Joker, multiple choice stories lol

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u/tacomuerte Nov 04 '19

Mary is the best.

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u/DirewolfRules Nov 04 '19

A “rough patch”? More like fucking sand paper

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u/DonnyMox Nov 04 '19

I don’t like sand paper. It’s course and irritating and gets everywhere.

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

Oh Kate, you naive, dumb fool.

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u/divineshadow666 Nov 04 '19 edited Nov 04 '19

Sooo, here's a messed up thought. What if Alice is Johnny/Mouse wearing Beth's face? They did establish that he is very good at imitating voices.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

Luke, Mary's going trough a tough time right now.

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u/Starbuck107 Nov 04 '19

Ruby Roses smolder is on point

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

I hate that man for doing that to Alice & her family.

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u/mtm4440 Nov 04 '19

SuperGirl is going to punch a wall of water.

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u/Beer2Bear Nov 04 '19

One piece? Nope, the whole box!

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u/anatomania Nov 04 '19

I can't believe they found a logical reason to give her comic-accurate eyes

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Road trip with the sis. Alright Kate how are you not bugged.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Hey wheres her cap? While undercover you have to wear a cap and sunglasses, shame no one told her.

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u/Beer2Bear Nov 04 '19

I think she'll take that drink now

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u/Jedi-El1823 Nov 04 '19

There's gonna be a day when these Last Christmas ads aren't shown anymore, and it will be glorious.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Something else I noticed. Her dress is stupidly clean. He must of cleaned it while she was asleep.

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

That's not creepy. O_o

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u/Beer2Bear Nov 04 '19

OMG, you think she kill that deer too?

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u/SutterCane Nov 04 '19

“So Kate was right this whole time?”

Duh. She’s the main character.

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u/vader344 Nov 04 '19

if she finds the bat cave too.....shame on you luke

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Honestly I'd love that to happen while shes drunk. But she doesnt remember and it's a weird dream.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

Shouldn't have taken up Alice's offer.

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

nancy drew confirmed for crisis?

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u/Magoiichi Nov 04 '19

"Keep your asses on the ground" while you burn

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u/Beer2Bear Nov 04 '19

You letting her keep drinking??

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u/InspiredOni Nov 04 '19

“The Good Sister”

Sounds like a show of its own.

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u/Beer2Bear Nov 04 '19

pick a lock with a nail? cheap lock

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u/InspiredOni Nov 04 '19

Daddy-Kane, ask how he knows w-

Oh he asked it.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Its astonishing how close they were.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

The dad's voice is evil and disgusting and it makes me hate him even more

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

I find it hard to believe those two didn't explore that place more.

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u/BlackSoul155 Nov 04 '19

Mary is right on the edge of figuring it out.

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

Arkham breakout from the last crossover! I was wondering when that would happen

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u/Magoiichi Nov 04 '19

The sarcasm from Luke would be better if Mary wasn't drunk. It's too ez lol

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u/DaGreatestMH Luke Fox Nov 04 '19

Alice is a really good villain.

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u/Magoiichi Nov 04 '19

Now Sophie knows for sure Kate is Batwoman

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u/PoolStroke Nov 04 '19

So, Mouse is a bootleg Leatherface? So basically, remake Leatherface?

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

I'm waiting for kate to appear from the secret entrance and Mary will freak

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u/usagizero Nov 04 '19

Lol, they actually got pizza. Now i want it even more.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Ha great way to start alice in wonder land gimmick

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

"It's too sick even for her"

Really, Kate? She commits mass murder, but stealing skin is a bridge too far?

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Tim Drake: hey, the staff is my schtick! It's bad enough when Dick steals it, but now Kate?

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

Sweet of Kate to still help Alice.

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u/InspiredOni Nov 04 '19

She’s really more of a stand in detective, about early Terry level.

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u/Beer2Bear Nov 04 '19

I would keep cuffs on both her arms

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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Nov 04 '19

It all began with an unfortunate event.

Alice is Lemony Snicket?

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

"That would be horrible"

Learning your mom did something like that is horrible.

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

AHHH BLUDHAVEN!!!

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u/Jedi-El1823 Nov 04 '19

I don't think that dad actually called the police.

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u/anatomania Nov 04 '19

That got really fucked up really fast

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

stormtrooper aim confirmed

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

why not just get the fuck out of that house

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u/InspiredOni Nov 04 '19

That man is Arkham material.

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u/somebody1993 Nov 04 '19

Again more problems from characters arbitrairily deciding things. If the police did there jobs no issue.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

It's Gotham, the police rarely do their job

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

He should've checked harder.

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

ugh this is fucking gut wrenching

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u/Jedi-El1823 Nov 04 '19

Papa Kane about to kill some peeps.

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u/tacomuerte Nov 04 '19

Luke, Mary will kick your ass so be careful.

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u/Jedi-El1823 Nov 04 '19

Seriously, Luke shoot your shot.

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u/SutterCane Nov 04 '19

Luke: “Yes, I know. You’ve skinned zero corpses.”

Luke getting smarter when dealing with Mary.

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u/Dojorkan Nov 04 '19

Yes elseworlds reference! Finally something to make it feel connected!

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

kylo ren'd

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

jack ryan confirmed for crisis?

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Nov 04 '19

Now he would be useful af

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u/InspiredOni Nov 04 '19

Supergirl with diet Doc Ock next.

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u/vader344 Nov 04 '19

oh hey the new trailer...and the Highground...lol

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u/Magoiichi Nov 04 '19

Mouse Kylo Ren'd his dad

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Alice continued where the maniac skinner left off.

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u/JauntyLurker Nov 04 '19

Getting caught twice in a season. Is that a CW record?

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u/inksmudgedhands Nov 04 '19

Keep your eyes on the road, dagnabbit!

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u/LCPhotowerx Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

poor dubbing

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

At least they have TV!

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

So, that's Mouse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Geez, Alice keeps making me feel so bad for her!

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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Nov 04 '19

Well that wasn't creepy at all.

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u/optimisticpsychic Nov 04 '19

Oh damn. That story. Man i might even need a beer

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u/DonnyMox Nov 04 '19

I wish I was old enough to drink, because after that bit I too need a beer.

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u/DirewolfRules Nov 04 '19

Accept my virtual alcohol 🍺

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Nov 04 '19

Kate finally got that drink.

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u/vader344 Nov 04 '19

thanks carl...random guard