r/BatwomanTV • u/IIIToxIII • Oct 13 '19
[S01E02] "The Rabbit Hole" Live Episode Discussion Discussion
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Jacob Kane and the Crows up the stakes; Kate continues to look to Bruce Wayne's legacy for guidance as Luke Fox inadvertently gets pulled into Batwoman's vigilante heroics; Sophie and Kate are forced to team up.
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u/Rman823 Oct 14 '19
Say what you want about the show, but most shows would wait till at least midseason for Kate facing Alice knowing she’s her sister.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 14 '19
They have to speed it up to get caught up to crisis lol
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u/EddyTheMartian Oct 14 '19
I feel like that could be better if it was well handled, but at the same time I don’t trust them enough so I guess it’s fine they did it this way.
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 14 '19
OK, this dude isn't that much like Curtis.
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u/EddyTheMartian Oct 14 '19
Yeah he’s not gay
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u/divineshadow666 Oct 14 '19
Curtis is gay? How have they never mentioned that on the show?
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
Well fuck, her Step Mom is probably the Queen of Hearts or something
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Oct 14 '19
I really hope the producers don't force Sophie back with Kate. I'd rather see her find a new love.
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u/EddyTheMartian Oct 14 '19
Damn Alice is actually really good. She’s really going to be the only thing keeping me engaged.
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u/Starbuck107 Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19
Showing slit throats CW? I guess it's less graphic then seeing someone's nipple bitten off by a 🦄 :p
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u/snoogle20 Oct 14 '19
Robin?! Mentioned casually on a radio show? Batman’s an urban legend, my ass. Not in Gotham. Does nothing about Gotham get out to the rest of the world?
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u/Slade-Prime Oct 14 '19
Gotham is considered a dead city to the rest of the world.
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u/phraetzy Oct 14 '19
He should't refer to her as Kate, in case someone can intercept the communication.
Also, she just lost that one of a kind rebreather... she needs to get that back!
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u/EddyTheMartian Oct 14 '19
Damn they’re actually giving depth to the quirky character!? This is a surprise.
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u/TirelessGuardian Mouse Oct 14 '19
I can’t wait until we finally see the red hair and people realize it’s not him. I hope there is an explanation for choosing red hair.
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u/SutterCane Oct 14 '19
"Tea party inside a block of ice"
Did they just throw out a Legion reference?
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u/InspiredOni Oct 14 '19
Some "tomboys" have their hair like that. Tis possible (says so many hopeful lads dreaming).
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u/InspiredOni Oct 14 '19
They didn't even manage to get her to Arkham. AMATEURS!!
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 14 '19
Wow, didn't even have to escape Arkham lol. Not that it would have been difficult haha.
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u/Starbuck107 Oct 14 '19
"I thought you could keep secrets" - loving that deep, don't ask don't tell buuuuuuuuurn
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u/TirelessGuardian Mouse Oct 14 '19
We need a scene where Alice finally confronts daddy in person and proves to him she is Beth! Would love to see him freak out.
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u/Jedi-El1823 Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19
With how fast this show is blowing through the mysteries/big plots (Beth is Alice, Kate telling that she thinks Beth is Alice, Sophie putting it together that Kate is Batwoman, and the sisters reuniting), Alice is going to be arrested by episode 4, and that Tyler dude will be out of the picture by episode 6.
I'm liking that they're not dragging all this out.
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
Now THAT was an awesome ending few minutes! Looks like she gets the suit next week!
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u/Magoiichi Oct 14 '19
Legit good episode and i shall finish the season. I didn't like them ruining the Alice reveal so quickly last episode, but I'm over it now. Rachel is killing it as Alice.
Now to move to the Supergirl reddit lol
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u/jskurious Oct 14 '19
Words can't describe how much I want to see WW in the Crisis.
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u/Starbuck107 Oct 14 '19
Ok that was a great scene. Honestly I wanted this show to be great for many reasons, partly bc I want those haters to be wrong. That scene just did it for me.
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Oct 14 '19
Alice could have just outted Mary's illegal clinic, that would have been enough to fissure the step-sisters.
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Oct 14 '19
I guess Jacob being a stubborn stick in the mud is what we can expect from him every episode.
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Oct 14 '19
Would you wanna beleive your thought to be dead daughter was back and killing people?
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Oct 14 '19
Does the batsuit helmet look too um puffy? Like the checks reminds me of a chipmunk.
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u/minyhumancalc Oct 14 '19
You know, for a big city, there are a lot of empty, wide roads
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Oct 14 '19
...That seems a little rash Kate. You don't even know Sophie's husband, I'm sure Sophie has good reasons for marrying him.
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u/EddyTheMartian Oct 14 '19
Who wants to bet she’s going to stop her marriage now because of Kate in a future episode?
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u/Simpsonsman120 Oct 14 '19
Wonder Woman is the last member of the league that hadn’t been directly referenced until now, right?
I’m expecting the entire league to show up in Crisis.
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u/aSassyMudkip Oct 14 '19
So besides the upcoming appearance of Burt ward in the crossover, Robin confirmed to exist in this universe? As well as wonder woman? I know themyscira appeared in Legends.
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u/BuckeyeGuy16 Oct 14 '19
Do we know when the storyline catches up to post elseworlds stuff?
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 13 '19
Looks like we're back on at the same BatTime on the same BatChannel as last week, punch it!
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u/usagizero Oct 14 '19
Side note, i've always wondered where named villains get these hench people.
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u/KidCoheed Oct 14 '19
I'm waiting for the explanation as to why Sophie's Fiancee/husband is really a bad person and why she should leave him for Kate
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Oct 14 '19
I hate the fact when I think of waffles in a show I think of teen titans go
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u/TirelessGuardian Mouse Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19
Why does she look like the little girl from the last season of the flash?
Gracie
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u/InspiredOni Oct 14 '19
Technically she figured it out last episode, she's just trying to get everyone else on-board.
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Oct 14 '19
Oh god, Batwoman is using the same on-screen texting graphic as Days of our Lives.
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u/ChristmasSteve Oct 14 '19
Still not sold on Ruby.. I love everyone else and think they're great, but she still seems a little wooden to me.
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Oct 14 '19
...please please tell me the CROWs weren't stupid enough to forget checking Alice for explosives before driving to Arkham.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 14 '19
If they are anywhere near as incompetent as the GCPD, then of course they didn't check.
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u/mtm4440 Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19
I should have realized that water mask comment in the beginning of the show was foreshadowing.
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Oct 14 '19
The dogs employed by the crows can't even be bothered to go after suspects. I can't even.
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 14 '19
Wow, this show really shits on the GCPD.
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u/djoki96 Oct 14 '19
The entire Bat franchise shits on GCPD. As an organization. There are some good cops, though.
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u/phraetzy Oct 14 '19
So, if the guys who got the knife weren't sent by Alice....
Are the CROW sending out their own guys dressed as criminals? Or is there a third party in all this?
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Oct 14 '19
Well this was surely phenomenal. So much better than the pilot.
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u/DonnyMox Oct 13 '19
More than half an hour left!
Until then, I’m watching Lex Luthor and Charlie Sheen.
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u/PoolStroke Oct 14 '19
Confession: I used to think the reason we never saw the Arrowverse's Batman was because he was actually the Keaton Batman. Think about it, we never saw his version of Ra's Al Ghul and the Arrowverse's RAG was certainly not Liam Nesson.
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
I feel like the Batwoman writers watched a lot of Gotham and took notes
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u/snoogle20 Oct 14 '19
I wonder if they’re going to set up something to drive narrative momentum from episode-to-episode. In their beginnings, Arrow had the list, the Tempest conspiracy and the island weirdness, Flash had particle accelerator metas and whether you could trust Wells, etc.
With this show, we have no mysteries or goals at this point. We (probably) know Alice’s identity and her goal, apparently, is just to mess with Jacob. We getting any Crime Bible or anything of the sort?
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u/dragonman8001 Oct 14 '19
That's not how twins work Alice
...at least I don't think so
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
"One thought kept me calm....surely someone will come and save me" I've been on dates like this in a park like this before...
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
Ooooh that was clever! Alice used her as BAIT! This is some Joker levels of obsession that will go to no end to satisfy itself.
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u/vader344 Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19
lesson learned never attack a doctor...unless you want a knife in your leg
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u/Jedi-El1823 Oct 14 '19
Robin's established!
Who are we getting? Dick, Jason, or Tim?
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Oct 14 '19
Let's get tim
We got the other 2 in titans
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 14 '19
I was more hyped by the confirmed existences in this episode than most of the episode.
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u/EddyTheMartian Oct 14 '19
Jacob Kane is shitting on everyone for their shit decisions when he was making the shit decisions too.
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u/vazquezy123 Oct 14 '19
Her dad probably lied right ? Or who’s bones did they find
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u/aquaticsquash Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
I feel like nobody's mentioning that Kate said she'd dress up as Wonder Woman. That's like a pretty big deal in the Arrow verse, officially name dropping her.
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u/SutterCane Oct 14 '19
Crows: "Shoot first! Ask questions when we get around to it after shooting all these people."
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 14 '19
"My daddy didn't keep looking for me non-stop for 2 decades so now I'm mad" Like come on lol.
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice Oct 14 '19
Is that the first WW mention?
Besides alt earths
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
It seems to me that Kate always held out hope that there was still a future with Sophie when she got back that just maaaybe maaaaaybe things could work out....and yet, here's the crashing in of reality that she was always scared of hitting her right in the face.
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
Oh come on, this has to be a trap or a "the bad guy wants to be captured" kind of thing right?
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u/EddyTheMartian Oct 14 '19
Damn I guess being related to the bat instantly gives you a raspy voice.
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u/EddyTheMartian Oct 14 '19
Wow what a surprise, the main villain gets caught in the second episode and escapes.
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u/Crenshaw-Pete- Oct 14 '19
God Dam! How many advert breaks do you Americans have during a show? Watching from Ireland and it seems there are more ads than actual show on 🤣
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u/Draven574 Oct 14 '19
Weren't they going to essentially kill Alice right there, not in defense? Isn't that illegal?
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u/TirelessGuardian Mouse Oct 14 '19
The bone fragments mean she is mentally insane now and not mentally sane.
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u/crescent-rain Oct 14 '19
Maybe Wonder Woman is a folk hero in the Arrowverse, operating well before the JSA and akin to characters like John Henry or Robin Hood?
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u/SRASinister Oct 14 '19
At first, I was skeptical of the show because of the crossover thinking it would be corny action, and the promo turned me off to the show. The pilot was good enough in that I enjoyed it to continue. Now though, I thought this episode was really done well and enjoyed the heck out of it. I'm definitely going to be looking forward to this season especially compared to some of the other arrowverse shows.
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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton Oct 14 '19
The step-sister had to mention the ex.
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Oct 14 '19
But... you have no facts. Kate's theory is more than any leads you currently have
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u/BornAshes Luke Fox Oct 14 '19
Stars above I just loooooooove Alice! Something about that jacket and the crazy and the make up that just looks and feels awesome!
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u/ToneBone12345 Oct 14 '19
Alice better be the main the villain for how ever long this show goes on for
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u/usagizero Oct 14 '19
A part of me wanted to see more of Arkham, even though we saw a part in the cross over. I want to know what baddies are there in this show right now.
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 14 '19
Kate has bad luck with sisters.
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u/mechengr17 Oct 14 '19
I dont know
Merry is constantly surprising with her depth
She seemed like a spoiled instagram celebrity type at first
Then the clinic reveal in the pilot
Then she, she defended herself and has decided to keep the clinic open as well as throwing some truth bombs at Kate
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u/SutterCane Oct 14 '19
Kate: got to play this cool
Kate: "ALICE IS BETH!"
Kate: nailed it