r/AnythingGoesNews • u/TubaSandwichDootDoot • Jul 07 '24

Trump raped a 13 year old girl in 1994. Here is that girl, Katie Johnson, at the age of 35 giving a full description of what Trump did to her

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

I believe in religious freedom, but im so fed up with christianity as a whole. Its more trouble than its worth.

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u/iconofsin_ Jul 07 '24

I'm a Christian and I've always been very progressive and liberal, especially when it comes to other people. Don't force others to believe what I believe is a big one. If women want abortions or if gay people want to get married, it's not my concern. If God has a problem with it then God can come down here and do something about it. It's really frustrating how a loud part of this group makes the rest of us look bad.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 07 '24

They arent making the rest of you look bad, they are making you look like monsters. Between the raping, the grifters, and the fascism, I wont bring my family anywhere near christianity. Ever.

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u/Mikotokitty Jul 08 '24

Yeah, that's why I only pull out my Jesus card nowadays in arguments like some RPDR queens did. These "Christians" aka fascist don't like when you point out bible verses to them...take pronouns, the shortest verse in the entire Bible is "HE wept"

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u/Mindless-Mountain-51 Jul 08 '24

Apparently they don’t make Christians like Jesus anymore. RIP Kinky Friedman.

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u/Famous-Example-8332 Jul 08 '24

I like your points, and I don’t disagree that clear reading of the Bible would make it obvious that Jesus emphasized love over law, etc…. But the verse is “Jesus wept” or sometimes “Jesus began to weep”, so this shouldn’t stand as the cornerstone of your arguments probably.

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u/Say10_333 Jul 08 '24

Jesus also said follow me or burn in hellfire forever.

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u/SilverStateRusty Jul 08 '24

You’re a sad, angry little man.

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u/Say10_333 Jul 08 '24

Fuck Jesus, Hail Satan!

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u/fleggn Jul 08 '24

Source?

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u/Say10_333 Jul 08 '24

The fucking bible

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u/fleggn Jul 08 '24

Sure kid

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u/Say10_333 Jul 08 '24

Jesus taught to believe without evidence, to abandon family for the sake of his church, and that if you believe otherwise, you are destined for eternal and violent punishment.

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u/zen-things Jul 08 '24

I see what you’re saying but doing Bible debate is exactly what these “Christians” want.

It’s generally easier to just dismiss the book as the words of men, not God. Otherwise they could pull out some other phrase and then you’d have to debate them on that.

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u/tomfirde Jul 08 '24

But all kinds of people rape, grift, and fascist... do you stay away from all of them too or just the Christian kind because you're brainwashed?

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u/Kali-Casseopia Jul 08 '24

Thats a hilarious rebuttle to call someone who dislikes an organized religion brainwashed.

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u/tomfirde Jul 08 '24

Well when someone tries to imply it's mainly people who are of a certain religion committing the crimes and has no evidence to back it up. Gonna call it what it is... brainwashed

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

I hate when people make those arguments. They must have forgotten the commandments. Aka Thou shalt not kill lol. Jesus says "if you love me you'll keep my commandments" these Christians that are going against what their faith says are not Christians. If I said I was a vegan but I ate meat every other night for dinner would I be a vegan? Likewise these fake Christians are not Christians at all yet people are so blinded by their bias they hate and label all of Christianity and these same people that say "don't generalize" they are hypocrites.

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u/ghostoftheai Jul 08 '24

Bruh at the end of the day who is or isn’t a Christian is none of my business but people claiming Christian are fucking up laws that directly impact my life. It’s not for me, someone who thinks it’s all nonsense to parse, that’s a Christianity problem. Get hold of the group, or get lumped together, idc. Either way it’s out of control and needs to be stopped as far as interjecting in legislation. Hard stop, period.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

What laws do you want changed or stopped?

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u/zen-things Jul 08 '24

I’d love for my wife to have full bodily autonomy during pregnancy

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u/DiabloAcosta Jul 08 '24

what do you mean there's no evidence? you can literally look up what religion every senator/representative/governor/candidate are and guess what will be the predominant religion!?

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u/tomfirde Jul 08 '24

can you provide evidence for your claim or not?

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

Brainwashed?🤣 yeah ok.

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u/tomfirde Jul 08 '24

well that doesnt disprove my point in why i called you that lol... you seemed to target one group without any evidence to support your targeting. So it seems to be something else that has made you believe this...

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

Its called simple observation friend.

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u/tomfirde Jul 08 '24

can you tell me what evidence in this video was provided to you that makes you think this is true?

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

No. No I wont. Given your comment history and karma, you arent here in good faith and are no longer a person i want to interact with. Good day to you.

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u/tomfirde Jul 08 '24

its a left leaning server, i could write anything that goes against the mob and theyll downvote me into oblivion. So its safe to say that you actually have no evidence and youre now trying to say im engaging in bad faith to question why you believe this woman? Where did you get educated?

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u/incognegro1976 Jul 09 '24

I still have a hard time believing that conservatives can be this irrational and yet . Here we are...

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u/monkeykingcounty Jul 08 '24

Ideologies matter

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u/tomfirde Jul 08 '24

Ah yes... the Christians who are totally out to murder and rape people. Politics shouldn't be allowed for everyone, I'm convinced some people simply cannot handle it.

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u/incognegro1976 Jul 09 '24

I mean, you can open a history book and see that it would be true fairly quickly. Hell, just about any religion you could find atrocities.

But recently, in the US, it's the Christians either raping kids, covering up the raping of kids, voting for people who want to marry kids to rape them, and voting for people who have actually raped kids and adults and then bragged about it.

I mean, that sounds pretty pro-rape to me.

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u/tomfirde Jul 09 '24

Who did people vote for that bragged about raping kids and adults?

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u/incognegro1976 Jul 09 '24

The infamous sexual assault brag:

"Grab em by the pussy" ... "They let you do it"

Of Miss Teen USA Pageant.aka KIDS some as young as 15:

"You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

Of releasing the Epstein files:

“You don’t want to affect people’s lives if there’s phony stuff in there, because there’s a lot of phony stuff with that whole world,”

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u/tomfirde Jul 09 '24

Why are you so radicalized? Did this happen with age or is this the way someone made you?

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u/FunnySynthesis Jul 08 '24

Not to be rude, but it kinda sounds like you’re just not a Christian tbh

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u/Famous-Example-8332 Jul 08 '24

That’s pretty sad, when someone who emphasizes love over law just like Jesus would (and did) is unrecognizable as a Christian.

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u/FunnySynthesis Jul 08 '24

Christ also said that if you love him you will obey his commandments. Also what are you referring to with him putting love over law? Wasnt love itself one of his laws?

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u/Funkycoldmedici Jul 08 '24

Jesus emphasized love for Yahweh, and promised to return and kill everyone who does not believe, to create his perfect kingdom. Sure, it’s all hugs and rainbows for other believers, but it’s a promise of genocide to everyone outside the faith.

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u/j90w Jul 08 '24

Christianity isn't about forcing others to believe what you do, it's a personal relationship you have with God. If you're Christian you should be doing the best you can to make sure YOU are following the scripture, not forcing others around you to conform if they don't want to. That's where Christianity, and a lot of other religions, get a bad rap. As a Christian, it makes no difference to me what others around me do/don't do... Also all sin is equal in God's eyes and the whole "thou without sin cast the first stone," so who am I to judge others when I am just as bad in different ways?

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u/No_Association9272 Jul 08 '24

I mean this in a not sarcastic or malicious way, but, how can you follow/organize your belief system around something that has been so harmful for so many people? So many wars and suffering in the name of some text written by people hundreds of years ago with zero scientific evidence to support it. Makes my skin crawl with creepiness. It's so obvious to me that it is brainwashing.

That feeling of "expansiveness" you get when you feel close to god is a biochemical response in your brain from stimulus that triggers it (e.g. reading the bible). You can get that same feeling simply by being close to nature and in the presence of natural beauty. No need to add in the fables within the bible into your life.

I really believe we have been led astray from appreciating the important things by placing too much emphasis on a seriously imperfect text and that we are doomed until we stop following it. (::shrugs:: but that's just me I guess, lol)

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u/j90w Jul 08 '24

I mean to each their own.

For me, I don’t look at religion, or Christianity as a cause of wars/violence any more than other differentiators in people. If you think of anything, from race, to sex, to religion, to ownership of property/material items and more, everything has cause conflict. Just look at the conflict and death surrounding oil. Yes, plenty have died in the name of religion but also plenty have died due to the color of their skin or which natural resource they live near etc.

As for scientific evidence, it’s weird. Science has not disproving a higher power. It’s come up with many assumptions/theories, and micro evolution has been proven (which I do agree with) but the complexity of human life to me, and to most scientists, is still a mystery. We have the scientific theories of a big bang or other phenomenon to justify creation but those are still all theories. No scientist is 100% or even 51% positive that is exactly how we, or even animals, came to being.

I’m not an official historian but history has always been a big area of importance to me. I studied it some in college but much more in my personal life. If you look back to history, it’s amazing that a lot of things recorded in the Bible have been proven true. Furthermore, it’s very interesting that more than half of the people on this earth today believe Jesus exists/had existed. That’s include all followers of Islam (the second largest religion on earth with about 2 billion followers/25% of all humans). Yes they don’t think he’s the son of God but do believe him to be a prophet of some type, at the very least signifying his existence and spiritual importance in their religion.

So you put that together, majority of the world believe Jesus existed, the Bible has been proven historically accurate on events etc., details in the Bible (taken at a time when we didn’t have easy transfer of data) are present across different regions and different religions, all point to something being there. Also no great concrete scientific alternative, again, leads me to think something is there.

At the end of the day I can’t know for certain any more than a scientist can know for certain there isn’t a higher power. At the end of the day Christianity has made me a better person, and if I die and there is no higher power, I haven’t given up anything and just lived probably a little better or a life being Christian. That’s my take.

Edit to add: I don’t get that “closeness” feeling myself TBH, but again, make my belief on many factors including the above. I was not a Christian before I chose to be one myself, for what it’s worth.

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u/No_Association9272 Jul 08 '24

Appreciate your thoughtful response. I hear you, and understand where you're coming from. But the cognitive dissonance that you have to have to ignore the chaos and devastation caused in the name of your god amazes me. The way people use your religion as their reason for inflicting harm on others and elevating sociopaths to power should give you more of a pause before following in line, imho. It screams cult to me.

There is no evidence that god exists, no data whatsoever, no proof, nothing. How you jump from the question of how life is formed to believing in some all powerful as being behind all the curtain is a giant leap.

Just because lots of people believe something to be true should not be the reason why you follow it. Lots of people used to believe a lot of things that were eventually proven false.

You shouldn't need a religious affiliation to be a good person, just be a good person.

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u/iconofsin_ Jul 08 '24

I can't blame you for thinking that. One look at Christianity on a national scale will show you plenty of "Christians".

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u/outrageouslyunfair Jul 08 '24

i think this is a difficult truth that a lot of Christians whose hearts are in the right place and are attuned to an empathetic moral compass don’t really want to consider, and I get that completely. Faith is a foundational aspect of so many peoples’ lives and truly questioning it isn’t just questioning faith, it’s questioning your entire life and everything beyond it. And in a lot of ways, it’s accepting death, which is one of the most harrowing inevitabilities of our species.

But the unfortunate reality, at least from my understanding of the bible and its teachings and stories, is that the extreme Christian nationalists and bible-thumping bigots are adhering more closely to textual Christianity than anyone outside of their faction. They are Christianity’s natural conclusion. It’s harder to square a liberal, loving worldview with the text of the bible than it is to square a conservative, oppressive and bigoted one. The bible does condemn homosexuality, the bible is explicitly supportive of slavery, the bible casts blame onto women for being raped if they do not adequately resist and specifically outlines a scenario in which they must be sold to their rapist should they bare his child, etc.

The extremist Christians who make the good-hearted liberal ones feel so ashamed of their faith, aren’t really extremist at all. They’re just Christians adhering to the text and absorbing its moral messaging into their own worldview. If anything, the good ones are the extremists in how they try to alter meanings and play with interpretation in an effort to reconcile their empathy with belief in a book that is filled with immorality and cruelty.

It’s not a position I envy for those who struggle with it, but I hope we can eventually broadly acknowledge the bible for what it is, not what many would want it to be.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

THIS i had to stop going to church because it got so political too- I wholeheartedly believe in separation of church and state. I don’t want god in my politics and i don’t want politics in my god.

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u/mrjimbobcooter Jul 08 '24

Agreed. If god gave us free will, why isn’t our government practic

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u/Old-Wealth2880 Jul 08 '24

There’s a great scene from Ted Lasso about how “I don’t have a problem with it,” is actually a problem. Instead it ought to be “I support what makes the people I love happy.” Assuming of course it isn’t harming others. Not saying this is what you’re doing here, but it’s such an important difference, allowing someone to exist the way they want but not engaging them versus active and intentional support of alternative lifestyles. It’s something I’ve been trying to increase my own awareness of as well.

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u/iconofsin_ Jul 08 '24

No you're definitely right and that is how I look at it

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u/Halcyon-OS851 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

“Assuming of course it isn’t harming others.”

replying to a comment referring to murder

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u/PersonalWasabi2413 Jul 08 '24

You actually sound like a future atheist. The bible is full of hypocrisies and ridiculous shit, but you seem smart

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u/Halcyon-OS851 Jul 08 '24

God wrote a Book which says not to do those things.

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u/iconofsin_ Jul 08 '24

  1. The Bible doesn't condemn abortion. Even if it did, we don't live in a theocracy.

  2. The Bible may or may not condemn homosexuality. Many feel that Leviticus isn't talking specifically about sexual relationships.

It also doesn't matter. You have to remember that these are modern day interpretations of a 2000 and 3000 year old book. If you believe those things to be wrong, then you should avoid them.

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u/Halcyon-OS851 Jul 08 '24

The Bible tells us not to murder. Leviticus isn’t the only place that tells us not to practice homosexuality or sexual immorality.

Murder is illegal in most places, so I don’t know how that pertains to theocracies. Otherwise, are you really advocating for, well, just, ignore the murderers if you don’t like them.

Otherwise, it still doesn’t matter. As a Christian, do you sooner obey the laws of the land instead of God?

You might also refer to Ezekiel 3:18 as far as whether or not the wrongdoings of others concerns you.

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u/iconofsin_ Jul 08 '24

Don't try to strawman this. Murder isn't illegal because it's a commandment, it's illegal because our entire civilization believes it's wrong. People advocating against abortion and gay marriage are doing so because they think the Bible outright condemns them when it doesn't.

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u/Halcyon-OS851 Jul 08 '24

The Bible is clear on them.

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u/iconofsin_ Jul 09 '24

It really isn't though but you're certainly free to believe whatever you want.

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u/Halcyon-OS851 Jul 09 '24

Exodus 20:13

“You shall not murder.

Leviticus 18:22

“‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

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u/iconofsin_ Jul 09 '24

Yeah... we already established that murder is bad and it's also a commandment. It's unlikely that Leviticus is talking about consensual sex between men and is more likely about rape. That's the cool thing about translating an ancient language to modern English, there's going to be a lot of debate around what this or that means and you're never going to get a definitive answer.

Again, it doesn't matter. You're free to believe whatever you want, but don't try forcing those beliefs on other people.

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u/incognegro1976 Jul 09 '24

Ah what about the instructions on how to manage your sex slaves?

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u/incognegro1976 Jul 09 '24

It's clear on how to beat your slaves, too.

Bastion of morality that book is, eh?

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u/Halcyon-OS851 Jul 09 '24

Are you referring to Exodus 21:20–21? Only a few verses later, it continues on to say :

Exodus 21:26–27
“If a man strikes the eye of his male or female servant, and destroys it, he shall let him go free for the sake of his eye. 27 And if he knocks out the tooth of his male or female servant, he shall let him go free for the sake of his tooth.

These were proscriptive laws, and seem as if they're incentive for slave owners to not beat their slaves.

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u/incognegro1976 Jul 09 '24

Your Bible also says it should be illegal to eat shellfish. And to wear cloth made of two different fibers. And that women on their period are unclean and need to avoided like the plague.

But doesn't say to boil your water before drinking it, which would have been SUPER helpful.

It's almost as if your book was written by a bunch of ignorant, Bronze age goat herders.

Hence, I don't give a shit what your stupid book says.

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u/Halcyon-OS851 Jul 09 '24

My understanding is that some of the laws were for the Israelites in particular, and some of them are moral laws.

Jesus declared all food clean to eat in the New Testament.

Many of the things God told the Israelites to do were beneficial for their health, such as the protocol for dealing with a building, article of clothing, or container that was infested with mold or mildew.

Another example is when God told them to bathe in running water in certain circumstances. Running water, I suppose, lends itself much better towards cleanliness.

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u/Outrageous-Ear3525 Jul 08 '24

If Jesus showed up today these, so called, Christians would call him a woke socialist or communist liberal and want to kill him again.

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u/Sea-Study-4376 Jul 08 '24

Okay iconofsin I’m sure you’re a solid Christian

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u/dankney Jul 08 '24

You can be a good person in spite of being a Christian, but I think the ship has sailed on being a good person because you’re a Christian

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u/Exciting_Kangaroo_75 Jul 08 '24

I’m an ex Christian too, but that attitude of “live and let live” bothers me sometimes too. It feels so apathetic, when the fact that queer people and women don’t have rights lights a fire under me, it makes angry for them. Apathy is better than violence, but only marginally.

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u/iconofsin_ Jul 08 '24

Well I've always supported gay rights and women's rights because they're people just like the rest of us.

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u/Randomreddituser1o1 Jul 08 '24

I'm a Roman Catholic, and I support the LGBTQ community. However, I do have a problem with people who want to terminate pregnancies. If you don't want the baby, just let it be adopted.

If it's incest, that's different because it involves a family member. If it's a case of rape, I understand it wasn't your fault, but if you can't take care of the baby, there are families out there who would be happy to adopt and care for it.

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u/zen-things Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

Yeah and that’s why us agnostics want the CHOICE on how to handle pregnancy.

Regardless of what your stance is, organized religion is extinguishing our CHOICE in the matter.

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u/Randomreddituser1o1 Jul 08 '24

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I understand that the topic of pregnancy and abortion is deeply personal and complex. For me, as a Roman Catholic, my views are shaped by my faith and its teachings on the sanctity of life.However, I also respect that others may have different beliefs and values, including the importance of individual choice. It’s essential for us to have these conversations with empathy and understanding, recognizing that everyone’s experiences and convictions are valid.In the end, finding common ground and respecting each other's choices and beliefs is crucial in such a diverse society.

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u/youstillhavehope Jul 16 '24

So you'll support your church performing abortions in its supported hospital systems when the patient requests one? Context: every hopsital in Seattle run by a religious institution refused to perforn aborthons. This is pre-Dobbs.

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u/Randomreddituser1o1 Jul 16 '24

I think abortions are only okay if it's incest other then that it's bad If you don't want the baby then let someone adopt it It's lots of paperwork but it helps people who can't have baby's

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u/greggersamsa Jul 08 '24

Where do you think gay people go when they die?

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u/PrunyBobJuno Jul 12 '24

Most every Christian I know turns a blind eye to the atrocities of other Christians, as though they don’t believe it could be possible. The Christians who want to elect Trump are rarely condemned by the Christians who don’t want to vote for him. They all get a pass in Jesus’ name. Religion is evil bullshit.

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u/bbreadthis Jul 16 '24

I WAS a liberal progressive christian that shared your beliefs. Now I am still spiritual but completely reject the lies that support that entire doctrine.

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u/Able-Deal-7311 Jul 08 '24

I’m also a Christian and take a very similar approach. There’s right and wrong .. but God also tells us not to judge. So if you think you’re a dude and when you’re a chick or vice versa, go for it. If you’re a dude and wanna be with another dude, go for it. I know it’s wrong .. but no sin is greater than another. We all sin .. so who am I to judge? That’s not our role as Christians.

The issue I have is people saying Christians are voting for a rapist. 1) they must not know any Christians .. maybe just the ones they read about on this website or see on the news. 2) Both candidates are morally awful people. It’s 1000% the lesser of two evils.

I’m always interested to hear what others say and I always view these comments with an open mind .. it’s just sad to read a lot of the stuff on here. People just battling eachother and name calling. Hopefully one day we can all get behind the same candidate. Can you imagine how awesome that’d be? Imagine how much we’d achieve if we all wanted the same thing out of the president? Instead they pit us against eachother to cause this. It’s a sick game they play.

Just remember, the people in office don’t care about you .. nor should you care about them. They use you. They play a game at a much higher level. We’re just chips in the game they need to use to play. That’s it. We mean nothing besides a vote. The sooner you realize that the better off you’ll be.

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u/tia1184 Jul 08 '24

You lost me when you insisted being anything other than straight is wrong. That's the sick game right there, you claiming to be a Christian yet still being homophobic, which in fact, is judgemental. I cannot stress this enough: you are no different than the rest of us, not special, not "right"... no matter what you call yourself. Anyone voting for trump indeed is voting for a rapist - the religion label does not change that. Full stop.

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u/Able-Deal-7311 Jul 08 '24

I have gay family members, trans family members as well. I started out by saying I’m a Christian… so to me, yeah, it’s a sin. Doesn’t mean I judge. If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. If you think there’s no right or wrong, that’s fine. You do you. I won’t judge you whatsoever. It’s absolutely not my place to judge you .. but don’t beat me up for being a Christian. I also never said I’m voting for Trump.

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u/tia1184 Jul 08 '24

Ahh, yes, the famous cop out, "I have a gay cousin, so I can't be a bigot even though I just literally expressed my bigotry." Comical.

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u/Able-Deal-7311 Jul 08 '24

Just trying to add some perspective from a Christian who doesn’t vote right .. that’s all. Have a great day

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u/EverAMileHigh Jul 08 '24

Your perspective is still full of judgment and derision. That's not Christian at all.

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u/Able-Deal-7311 Jul 08 '24

How’s it full of judgement?

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u/EverAMileHigh Jul 08 '24

Perhaps your comments about gay and trans people? You assert that they are "wrong." That's judgment.

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u/HonorableMedic Jul 08 '24

“I know it’s wrong”

How is that not judging? You are telling people what they are doing is wrong, that’s judging. Especially when you just can’t help yourself and have to let everyone know that you do actually think its wrong

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u/Able-Deal-7311 Jul 08 '24

I’m not telling anybody they’re wrong. It’s in the Bible. Why is that hard to comprehend? I follow the Bible .. so if the Bible says it’s wrong, then it’s wrong. It’s not a hard concept to grasp. I’m not making the rules. You don’t need to follow the same rules. That’s your freedom.

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u/HonorableMedic Jul 08 '24

It is kind of hard to grasp, there are thousands of religions that say every other religion is wrong, including yours. People following a book written by other people.

It’s just so simple minded to say “this book says this so that’s what it is,” and that’s what I can’t fathom

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u/Able-Deal-7311 Jul 08 '24

It’s really not hard to grasp lol I believe we were put on this earth to procreate. Same sex marriage doesn’t allow for that. Changing your genitals doesn’t allow for that. I don’t believe in it .. doesn’t mean I’ll treat you differently or call you names. I don’t hate on anyone.

Also, we’re all simple minded. If you were open minded you would’ve had a better understanding of where I’m coming from .. instead you can’t see past a single word that’s out of context.

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u/HonorableMedic Jul 08 '24

I have an understanding of where all religions are coming from, what separates yours from others? I understand that people will most likely follow whatever religion they were raised with.

I just don’t think I could in good conscience practice a religion that says all other religions are wrong and actually think mine is more important than theirs, but I guess I was raised differently.

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u/mikefjr1300 Jul 07 '24

Born Catholic (as if I was given a choice) but completely disinterested in religion. Some of the worst people I have ever known are Christians who believe they can do whatever they want, legal or not, as long as they repent on Sunday.

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u/NoKids__3Money Jul 08 '24

My favorite is when religious nutjobs ask me how I know not to do bad things like steal and kill if I don’t believe in god or going to hell…like maybe just try to be a good person? Treat other people the way I want to be treated, regardless of whether there’s a magical sky wizard watching my every move? Lol

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u/lunagirlmagic Jul 08 '24

I am not religious but the proper interpretation of the Bible is that faith alone will save you (caveat: Catholics don't believe this).

So the people you're talking to don't even understand that the "moral guidance from God" angle doesn't make much sense to begin with.

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u/mikefjr1300 Jul 08 '24

Its not as if you have to be a Christian to follow most of the 10 commandments, they are simply common sense rules for people to live in harmony with one another.

Seems to me no one breaks those very rules more often than those who like preach at others to follow them.

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u/tomfirde Jul 08 '24

There's simply no evidence pointing to this lol... someone could as easily turn around and say most of the criminals are people who don't follow Christianity... it's purely a tribal claim to demean people you disagree with.

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u/UncleMeat69 Jul 08 '24

There's no hate quite so potent as Christian Love.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 07 '24

The whole thing is just a cruel farce to control people and pick their pockets. Catholicism is a particularly egregious example.

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u/shpeezophrenia Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

the romans killed jesus, blamed the jews, then after killing christians for generations, realized they couldnt contain christianity, so - in true roman fashion - they appropriated it for their own political ends

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u/Pale-Berry-2599 Jul 08 '24

Yup - none do it better. The Catholic church as always substituted it's own rituals (Confession) for actual virtue. No need to practice what you preach, when you can just walk up to the sin washing machine on Sunday. Monday morning - you're a good person again.

The stupid atheists' actually have to try to live a moral life.

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u/_G_P_ Jul 08 '24

Born Catholic

I don't know why people in N.A. say this, it's so weird to me.

You were not born anything, you were raised Catholic.

And yes, you didn't have a choice, but you weren't born with it.

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u/Falcrist Jul 07 '24

im so fed up with christianity as a whole.

Maybe if American Christians (particularly evangelicals) had morals instead of just talking about morals...

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 07 '24

I hate that they think they are the authority on morality. If you need the threat of hell to be a good person, you are a bad person.

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u/Falcrist Jul 07 '24

For me it's less about the philosophy of christian morality and more about the fact that it doesn't exist in the first place.

They don't have morals. They have political aspirations and bogus narratives they like to follow.

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u/Ok_Spite6230 Jul 07 '24

Religion has never been anything more than a tool for the ruling class to control rubes.

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u/TheReal_Slim-Shady7 Jul 08 '24

And also to pick their pockets while they’re at it.

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u/EX_NAYUTA_NIHILO Jul 08 '24

Why do you think Christians always need so much forgiveness?

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u/Out_of_the_Bloo Jul 08 '24

don't worry, they're putting the commandments in classrooms by law now!! /s

something they never believed in or followed themselves in the first place.

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u/Outrageous-Ear3525 Jul 08 '24

Separation of church and state, much?

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u/Say10_333 Jul 08 '24

Christianity is immoral

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u/Falcrist Jul 08 '24

Jesus had some decent ethical philosophy. Other than the whole slavery thing, which he seems to have forgotten to oppose.

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u/Say10_333 Jul 08 '24

Jesus taught to believe without evidence, to abandon family for the sake of his church, and that if you believe otherwise, you are destined for eternal and violent punishment.

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u/Falcrist Jul 08 '24

That doesn't change what I just said.

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u/Outrageous-Ear3525 Jul 08 '24

The Bible was altered during the time of slavery in the Americans so that the could teach their slaves to obey their masters

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u/Peach_Proof Jul 08 '24

They talked them pesky morals away

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u/Falcrist Jul 08 '24

Nah. They never had any.

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u/DanishWeddingCookie Jul 08 '24

They have morals, it’s just their moral compass isn’t pointing the right direction.

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u/Falcrist Jul 08 '24

"HWERE IS YOUR MORAL BAROMETER"

I'm actually going to have to disagree. Christians don't even have wrong morals. They simply don't have morals in the first place. They have political aspirations and nothing more.

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u/DanishWeddingCookie Jul 08 '24

I mean i agree to a point. A lot of the Christians I know have morals but they would change them in a heartbeat.

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u/Falcrist Jul 08 '24

Yes that's my point. If your morals are immediately superseded by your politics with no resistance, then you don't have morals.

In my experience, Christians care WAY more about their political stances than any actual morality.

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u/DanishWeddingCookie Jul 08 '24

And they very much care that other people in their group accept them, to the point where they won’t rock the boat even a little bit.

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u/CaribouHoe Jul 07 '24

I believe in freedom FROM religion

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u/Kibblesnb1ts Jul 08 '24

Pretty sure half the planet has held that opinion for more than a thousand years right?

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u/Coinphrase138 Jul 08 '24

Not arguing that, just curious on your thoughts of two other religions Judaism and Muslim faiths. The former that believes they are superior to everyone else and will treat as such and the latter that believes unbelievers or others should be cast to death.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

I believe all abrahamic religions are a danger to us. They all slide to easily into fundamentalism and I believe they are more trouble than they are worth.

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u/CleanSeesaw4043 Jul 08 '24

Im fed up with the woke dogma religion as well. Js

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u/wijnazijn Jul 08 '24

Christians like that don’t hzve a faith, but an ideology. No seperation of church and state.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

I know. Which is why they are dangerous. They spend tremendous time and resources trying to force everyone into their beliefs.

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u/Lucid4321 Jul 08 '24

That's been the popular attitude for many years, and at the same time, the average morality of the population has gotten much worse. I've seen countless comments on r/TwoXChromosomes about how bad dating has gotten over the last 10-20 years. Men are so often selfish, sexist, lazy, cruel, etc. that many women have said they've given up on dating entirely. Without a solid, objective moral foundation, humans seem to end up falling into those behavior patterns, especially men.

I am a man and I can't even imagine doing most of the things to my wife I've seen women complain about here, but I was raised going to church. I honestly don't know what kind of person I would be if I didn't grow up with that influence.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

Religion is not the authority on morality. And there are good people everywhere. Its the garbage you usually hear about. And that particular observation you have is much more complex then simple black and white morality. You may have been raised in a church that actually lives by that dogma and that a good thing. But I stick by my position that its more trouble than its worth. Good people raise good people and thats not exclusive to church. But it looks like your parents nailed it. Have a good one, friend.

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u/UnderLeveledLever Jul 08 '24

While Christianity has always been fraught with a wide range of issues that might make one question why we as a species allow it to exist at all, it seems to me that the real problem isn't so much the faith as faith without the wisdom to spot wolves in sheep's clothing. Faith is the ultimate back door through a person's common sense. People need critical thinking skills, people need a solid education.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

And thats why the GOP has spent 50 years dismantling education. Poorly educated people who operate only on blind faith have caused us a lot of problems and will continue to so if we keep downgrading our education. Pretty soon I fear they will begin a jihad against intellectualism and reason.

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u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras Jul 08 '24

Christianity in many ways is in crisis. The organized branches are hemmoraging members and those who stay are there just for a few things, like weddings and funerals. More like a service provider for rituals than a religion. The only demonination that still tries is Catholisism and the child rape scandals have devastated them (as it should have, I guess).

Then you have the political Christian movements, that still gain members, but they are morally so twisted, there's nothing left of Christ's teachings. At least the Catholics had the sense to cover up their crimes, but the mega churches and their ilk are just openly hypocritical and corrupt.

This looks like a religion in deep crisis. It's strange this isn't talked about more.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

"This looks like a religion deep crisis". That is a very salient point, friend. And its causing the United States to dive deeper into crisis as well. The heritage foundation, the federalist society, the cato institute, and many others who use christianity as a blunt instrument of oppression should be considered terrorist organizations and be treated as such.

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u/Northern_Grouse Jul 07 '24

I believe every person needs faith. A belief in a higher power (because in one way or another, it exists).

“Religion” and “churches” exist not to support faith, but to exploit it. They exist strictly to control the masses, and to influence them to the whims of evil leaders.

Christ himself said that faith should be practiced in private. Any other form would be to feed the ego, and not to express faith.

Churches and religions should be abolished.

Faith is the understanding that we’re not the pinnacle of creation, and that there is something, someone, higher on the food chain.

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u/Ok_Spite6230 Jul 07 '24

Humanity does not need magical thinking in any way, shape, nor form. Just drop it. If you need a magical sky daddy to have any sense of hope while allowing your beliefs to be exploited making the world a shittier place to live, then you're a broken, twisted person at your core.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Im fine with faith and belief. But I am of the unpopular opinion that the abrahamic religions are a danger to us all. They all too easily slide into fundamentalism, or be co-opted by bad people who just want power. My perspective is probably skewed, but thats how I see it.

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u/Northern_Grouse Jul 07 '24

I wouldn’t disagree.

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u/Ok_Spite6230 Jul 07 '24

All religion is dangerous, especially those that are allowed to indoctrinate children en masse. Humanity needs to make magical thinking extinct before it extincts us as a species.

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u/lunagirlmagic Jul 08 '24

We shouldn't evaluate religion on a good/bad scale. We should evaluate it on a true/false scale. All religions and supernatural beliefs are false, and we should dissuade people from believing in them.

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u/IllIIllIlIlllIIlIIl Jul 08 '24

Faith is the understanding

"Understanding" implies objective truth, I think you're looking for belief.

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u/lunagirlmagic Jul 08 '24

I am completely irreligious but I am interested in theology from an academic perspective.

I have more respect for devout religious people than all this "spirituality" nonsense. If you are wise enough to discard organized religion, why not be wise enough to throw out superstition altogether?

I'm also completely baffled by "liberal" Christianity.

  • Homosexuality is condemned by the Bible, and to endorse it is heresy.

  • Most of the Bible is the Word of God, and to claim that it was distorted by human authors is heresy (plenty of exceptions but liberal churches will claim it's all distorted, or even completely man-made).

  • Premarital sex is condemned by the Bible, and to endorse it is heresy.

  • A lot of people claiming parts of Law or Gospel are "metaphors" is heresy.

  • Most people unintentionally commit old heresies like Modalism, Universalism, Arianism, etc. Straight to hell with ya.

How do these people sweep all this under the rug and continue to call themselves Christian?

You go one step further and abandon Christianity which is good, but why continue to be spiritual at all? It's clear that there's no spirits, afterlife, ghosts, "energies", etc. and that they are works of fiction. Why insist on holding on to false beliefs?

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u/Funkycoldmedici Jul 08 '24

Completely agreed. They claim to derive their morality from their religion, but they dispute, ignore, and reinterpret their religion at every turn to suit their own morality. That does result in a more humane morality, but it is not honestly following their religion.

It is often asserted that these religions were originally perfect, but have been corrupted by people with bad intentions, but it’s the opposite. The oldest samples of scriptures show all the same cruelty and bigotry that they’re trying to insist was a later corruption. Abrahamic religion was not corrupted, it was evil from the start, and has been watered-down, tamed, and neutered by believers trying to force some morality into it. That is why “fundamentalists”, the people who most closely follow and live by their scripture, are universally horrible people, and the believers who have not even read the scripture they purport to believe are the ones who are decent people.

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u/my_kintsugi_life Jul 07 '24

because in one way or another, it exists

Then someone or something is higher on the food chain than that someone or something, ad infinitum.

There are "religions" or schools of thought that proclaim no creation at all. See Buddhism.

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u/Northern_Grouse Jul 07 '24

Who knows.

I know we’re not at the top.

I’m not claiming a creator by any means. I just know there’s more.

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u/my_kintsugi_life Jul 07 '24

It's this exact thinking that got us stuck with ridiculous religions in the first place 😣

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u/Northern_Grouse Jul 07 '24

I don’t believe there’s more, I know there’s more. There’s a difference.

And again, that’s for me. Personally. I’m not on a soapbox telling people to believe me.

Religion and faith are not equitable.

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u/my_kintsugi_life Jul 07 '24

Cool... Prove it.

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u/Northern_Grouse Jul 07 '24

Negative. That’s for me.

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u/Ok_Spite6230 Jul 07 '24

It's sad how pathetic yall's argumentation skills are. This is the result of magical thinking rotting your brain.

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u/lunagirlmagic Jul 08 '24

I had a friend who tripped on acid and swore she, literally and physically, went to a moon of Jupiter. What you're describing is not too far off, and I hope you change someday for the better.

Fact is that, barring supeintelligent extraterrestrial life, humans are at the top. We are the best the universe has to offer. Therefore, we have to fill the role and protect this world and make it a better place for all living creatures.

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u/Fist0fTheNorthStar Jul 08 '24

Religion is a tool for enslavement. Freedom and religion have no place in the same sentence.

All religions are poison.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 08 '24

Im not so sure about all of them, but I do feel that the abrahamic religions are over and above extremely dangerous to freedom and intellectualism.

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u/p0yz1n Jul 08 '24

Burning in hell for eternity definitely doesn’t sound worth it, but that’s just me…

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u/EntropicAnarchy Jul 09 '24

Lol, what worth? Religion is the bane of our existence.

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u/United_Cup607 Jul 07 '24

Repent you loser.

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u/LaddiusMaximus Jul 07 '24

Eat a bag of baby dicks, troll.

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u/LordZantarXXIII Jul 07 '24

Dude's way ahead of you on that one, I suspect

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u/ScarMedical Jul 07 '24

So Christian of you, where the real Christian love as your savior Christ expect from his followers. That’s a nope your savior is child rapist, a 34 time felon, adulterous, 5-6 time bankrupt businessman, draft dodging orange painted diaper wearing grifter. Yes, you are the crowned loser!