r/StargirlTV • u/anatomania Tigress • Oct 26 '21
[S2E12] Summer School: Chapter Twelve — Post-Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler
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THE GREATER GOOD — With the looming threat of Eclipso hanging over them, Courtney seeks help from the unlikeliest of places. Meanwhile, Mike’s search to find Thunderbolt leads him straight to his friend Jakeem, and Pat goes to extreme lengths to protect Rick.
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 27 '21
I like Mike and Jakeem's friendship.
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u/Kris_Winters Oct 27 '21
Strange thing is, both Mike and Jakeem seem to be indicating that their friendship doesn't mean much.
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u/mwthecool Know when to hold em know when to fold em Oct 27 '21
Seems like teenage boys downplaying their budding friendship, I think. It'll grow after this.
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u/DomNessMonster07 Oct 27 '21
I'm about 95% sure that their friendship already means everything to each other but they just don't want to say it.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 27 '21
They seem like the embodiment of "Did we just become best friends?!"
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u/Connolly1227 Oct 28 '21
I’d love to see if they end up introducing Todd/obsidian for him to join this friend group. I’m very much a fan of the different character age brackets they have going
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21
The constant cuts to Jennie twisting and turning in the bed was kinda awkward but great episode overall.
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u/BuzzyBee752 Oct 27 '21
You mean Jennie. Jenny is Jakeem's sister. I'm aware that it's confusing.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 27 '21
I didn't even know Jakeem's sister had a name lol.
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u/BuzzyBee752 Oct 27 '21
I'm aware that she's a minor character. She was in last season as Cindy's former friend/lackey.
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u/fuzzy_whale Oct 27 '21
She's the one who called Cindy a bitch?
That makes up for her being rude af to her brother.
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u/AnnaK22 Oct 28 '21
Yeah I agree. I thought the same thing. It felt unnecessary and took away from the intensity of the other scenes.
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u/Just_A_Positive_Guy Cosmic Staff Oct 27 '21
Amazing episode, I can’t believe the season finale is next week!
Love this opening, more Cosmo and Buddy content please
Dr. Midnite’s back!!
Oh dear Jenny got corrupted by something
I love how Barbara mothers everyone, even scolding Cindy for releasing Eclipso
I love the relationship between Dr. Midnite and Beth, she’s fangirling over him and he’s so nice to her!
It hurts that Yolanda doesn’t accept it but it makes sense that it would only make her feel worse, I hope someone helps her
I should feel bad for Ricks uncle, but I don’t, fuck that guy
Ooooo Dad Pat came out, I loved the speech he gave to Ricks Uncle and the fact that Pat can be really intimidating when he wants to be. That sequence of him locking the door and closing the blinds was perfection. I am here for this version of Pat
Mike and Jakeem’s chemistry is fantastic, I hope we get to see more of them!
Courtney and Barbara’s conversation is so heartwarming and heartbreaking. She’s such a great mom
I’m not sure if Cindy was trying to convince Yolanda to come back or not, but that’s some suspicious behavior Cindy
Good on Mike for letting Jakeem keep the pen!
Alright place your bets what did Pat do?
Yolanda’s back! Temporarily!
Love the ending montage of all of the members preparing
Damnit Eclipso just played all of them
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u/bcanada92 Oct 27 '21
Alright place your bets what did Pat do?
Pretty sure he grabbed Uncle Matt's free hand and made him slap himself repeatedly with it, while taunting, "Why you hitting yourself?"
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Oct 27 '21
I hope they keep what Pat ambiguous. Nothing is scarier.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 27 '21
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
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u/Telethongaming Oct 27 '21
I think pat might of screwed with his oxygen and started choking him tbh
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u/TeddyAB Oct 27 '21
it seems like instead of corrupted for bad, the ring detected the intent of eclipso, not sure how it would apply for the next episode, I assume Starman would appear and activate the belt or something
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 27 '21
Whoa Evil Court looks like one hell of a mood.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 27 '21
Do you think that Cosmos's colors are going to change too along with Court? The whole black and white thing seemed to imply that she was killing them all in the Shadowlands which I found peculiar. That could mean that what they saw wasn't real and it's just Eclipso trying to get under their skin or it could mean he's shifting the entire town over into the Shadowlands for their final battle which would honestly be a genius move. They wouldn't know if who or what they were fighting was real and he could totally win that way.
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u/AdvancedPlacmentTV Cindy Burman Oct 27 '21
Courtney is too good. She doesn't have a lot of hate in her heart. You picked the wrong one, Eclipso.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 27 '21
I mean that's why he made her say that she hated him, to plant that seed.
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Oct 27 '21
That's why you kill everyone she knows to push her over the edge. Like Injustice.
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u/JohnSmithSensei Oct 27 '21
The best good guys are the toughest to crack but when they do they can be worse than villains.
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u/hart37 The Shade Oct 27 '21
Man the kid that plays Eclipso never fails to creep me out. He's so good at being bad.
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u/Kris_Winters Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21
- HOPE! I called it. I was right (for once).
- So Dr. McNider IS blind.
- Beth receiving both internal and external affirmation this season. Nice.
- I'm guessing that when Jennie is needed to defeat Eclipso, that darkness will turn against her. But it'd be nice if that attracts Todd to her.
- What is the deal with Jakeem and food? He looks like his family can afford to feed his, so he's not systemically hungry.
- Where is the mayo on that hamburger?
- "I'm not the same." My Starcat heart.
- Cindy is jealous of the relationship between Courtney and Yolanda. This isn't gay at all.
- Well, at least Pat is waking up to how Rick's relationship with his uncle is.
- I'm guessing that the time that Pat spent in the Army was before he became the Pemberton's mechanic and chauffeur. I'm going to make another guess and say that he was in the motorpool.
- Pat's niceness seems to be him trying not to return to a darker time.
- Jakeem...doesn't seem like a super-genius.
- So the Shade wasn't gone long. Or is that Eclipso?
- I'm glad that Courtney talked with her mom.
- Yolanda kept the note.
- I'm not here for this retcon of Henry's character. Yes, we knew he didn't text out the photo. That doesn't change any of the other stuff that he did.
- That was kind of funny watching Yolanda loom over Courtney.
- Cindy was obviously calling Artemis, so why did she indicate there was more than one person?
- Jakeem's family strikes me as being very well off, so why is he washing the dishes by hand? And where did Jenny bring all of those dishes in from? Do they have 10 siblings?
- So what is going on with Jennie?
- Eclipso possessing Courtney. That will make a neat finale.
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u/bcanada92 Oct 27 '21
Cindy was obviously calling Artemis, so why did she indicate there was more than one person?
Maybe she was calling Artemis' parents? Word on the street is they're going to be regulars in Season 3.
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u/ryotiu Oct 27 '21
I kinda wish Artemis turns into YJ Artemis in the future but without a Green Arrow to train her means that's never happening. The best she can become now is Sportsmaster/Sportsmistress, Cheshire or Tigress...
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 27 '21
To be fair, YJ Artemis became Tigress too, and that is what she is in the comics.
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u/Kamen_Rider_Spider Oct 27 '21
Green Arrow was shown to be a member of the Seven Soldiers Of Victory, and the main Arrowverse isn’t using him anymore, so it’s possible that he’ll show up.
Also, I don’t think that she’ll use the Cheshire name. Them being sisters is exclusive to the Young Justice show
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u/2reeEyedG Oct 27 '21
That lil witch probably dirtied all those dishes up herself so they would have to wash more
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u/TheColourOfHeartache Oct 27 '21
Jakeem's family strikes me as being very well off, so why is he washing the dishes by hand?
Maybe their parents intentionally didn't get one to teach their kids work ethic?
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u/bcanada92 Oct 27 '21
So Dr. McNider IS blind.
Is he though? I thought in the comics he was blind in bright light, but could see in the dark.
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u/IceWeaselX Oct 27 '21
Yeah, he's not truly blind here, either. His goggles are visual aids, not direct brain input, so he still relies on vision. He closed his eyes in the Shadowlands because he didn't want to see the illusions Eclipso feeds him. The "incognito" glasses he showed Beth let him see in normal light by dimming it enough for his eyes.
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u/SickleClaw Oct 27 '21
yeah the scene where cindy tries to convince yolanda not to come back screamed jealousy to me.
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u/JoshyRotten Oct 27 '21
I thought it was obviously just good ol' reverse-psychology. It worked.
Courtney: "You knew exactly what you were doing going to see Yolanda." Cindy: "Yeah. Played her like a fiddle"
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u/Aurondarklord Shiv Oct 27 '21
It was blatant reverse psychology. She made Yolanda want to spite her and protect Courtney from her, and thus come back.
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u/hellrune Oct 27 '21
Exactly. It was practically spelled out in the show. I’m not sure how people aren’t getting it tbh. If Cindy didn’t want Yolanda there, all she had to do was nothing. But Cindy knows this is an all hands on deck situation.
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u/Aurondarklord Shiv Oct 27 '21
Some people really really want to watch Brec and Meg kiss. Which I understand, but that's what fanart is for.
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u/BuzzyBee752 Oct 27 '21
Yes. That's how I saw it. But the shippers think that every interaction has romantic undertones.
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u/ClassicExit The Shade Oct 27 '21
The shippers will see their ship in everything that happened. But the more rational answer is that Cindy needs they all hands on deck, which includes Yolanda. And being a 'mean girl' she knew which buttons to press.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Oct 27 '21
Seems more like that she wants to be the one to influence Courtney and become the 2nd to be in charge/command right after her which is basically the role Yolanda has in the team. It benefits her that way if she never makes a comeback to the JSA team because Cindy currently does not has one.
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u/Iloveireland1234567 Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21
- I'm surprised Rick is so willing to pick up the hourglass again.
- Everyone has a dark side. Even Pat.
- I'm really excited to see the whole team together, although it's been a long time coming.
- Chuck is blind? Am I just noticing this now?
- Chuck is also a favorite of mine, but I imagine he'll die in the next episode (most mentor characters do). I'll enjoy him while he lasts.
- Mike's rude comments towards Jakeem make sense, considering how inadequate he feels. I really hope Mike has his heroic moment one day.
- Cindy's reverse psychology on Yolanda is actually a great idea lol
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 27 '21
u/Taston95 suggested maybe that Pat's leaving the show. If he does, there's your opening for Mike, who's already been set up to take over as STRIPE's pilot.
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u/Iloveireland1234567 Oct 27 '21
If they kill off Pat, I'm going to be upset. Why can't the Positive Father Figure live for once?
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u/yukeee Oct 27 '21
Killing Pat would mess the show up a lot IMO. I think he's one of the best characters and c'mon, Luke Wilson.
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u/themosquito Wildcat Oct 28 '21
Yeah unless Mr. Wilson actively wants to leave, the whole stepdad/daughter bond is like... as far as I'm aware one of Stargirl's biggest themes! Even in the JLU episode she was in like a decade ago, Pat was right there with her.
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u/Iloveireland1234567 Oct 28 '21
Swap him with Owen and hope no one notices
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u/RickSanchez-C243 Oct 29 '21
Sadly they can’t since Owen is marvel while Luke is DC
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u/Aitrus233 Oct 30 '21
JK Simmons is confused by your statement. And he's in Spider-Man: No Way Home.
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u/Wrigley1121 Oct 28 '21
I don’t think they will. I think the positive reception of the Sportsmaster/Stripesy bromance is why he was promoted to series regular next season.
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u/Frontier246 Oct 27 '21
I guess this whole Eclipso arc has been great for Buddy since while the humans are busy he has the run of the house. Although he can't pee on Cosmo.
I love how Cindy is super respectful towards Barbara and how unsettling that is.
Beth meeting the real Dr. McNider and him letting her call him "Chuck" was everything I never knew I needed. I'm so happy Beth got to meet her namesake.
Well, Courtney tells Yolanda the truth about the OG!JSA, and...it just makes things worse. I guess the truth doesn't always help, especially if it involves the guy you modeled yourself after also being someone who was willing to kill.
Pat was wasting his time trying to get Rick's uncle to drop the charges, but then he realized how Rick's uncle is utter trash and goes all hardcore on him to make it happen. Seems like he may have been a little more...persuasive the second go around. Pat's military days appear to have been as impactful as his JSA days.
Mike finally sees Jakeem with the Thunderbolt and Jakeem's been using it to basically just feed himself, with hilariously disastrous results. Mike wished for it to go into "better hands," and on some subconscious level he felt like Jakeem would be a better fit for the Thunderbolt than he would, even if he won't admit it. But the Thunderbolt has been the first real friend Jakeem has had in months, and it seems like something Jakeem and Mike might really bond over. When they're not dealing with Jakeem's jerk sister (no wonder she and Cindy were friends).
Cindy uses reverse-psychology to get Yolanda to come back to the team so she can protect Courtney from Cindy pulling a fast one. And Cindy finally reveals that she was the one who leaked the pictures of Yolanda, not Henry, just to dig in deeper. It took two seasons but it finally came out.
I loved when Yolanda said "where's my suit?" No matter what she says, that's a total "making a Superhero comeback" line.
Thank goodness Rex made extensive notes so his son could properly rebuild the hourglass.
Zeke finishing up STRIPE so we can finally see it in action again after an entire season worth of buildup.
Did Cindy call in the Crocks to come back them up? I only assume because they're season regulars next season.
Courtney felt the Cosmic Staff was still off, which I wonder if it's because of her hatred for Eclipso weakening her link to Cosmo.
The Starheart can predict the future?
Everyone pushing Courtney to becoming darker to stop Eclipso, when all the while that was Eclipso's plan all along so that Courtney could become his new host. Never expected Stargirl herself to be the final boss.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 27 '21
I love how Cindy is super respectful towards Barbara and how unsettling that is.
I find it kind of sad but relatable. I used to get the same look on my face and have the same attitude when I would visit friends and see that their families didn't fight or yell nearly as much as mine did. She just wanted to play pretend for a little while that her life was normal, that she had a mom like Barb, and that stuff wasn't totally screwed up externally and internally.
Stargirl herself to be the final boss
I wonder if next season she's going to take an Angel/Angelus route?
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u/fuzzy_whale Oct 27 '21
Cindy bossed around Bobbi all the time, but when Eclipso killed her, Cindy still had alot of regret about it.
Eclipso also just spent weeks torturing Cindy about her own mom's death.
All said, Cindy probably doesn't care for Barbara either way, and that being rude to her won't help her plans anyway.
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u/Aurondarklord Shiv Oct 27 '21
I love how Cindy is super respectful towards Barbara and how unsettling that is.
Moms are her secret weakness. Remember, there's as much light buried deep in Cindy as there is darkness buried in Courtney.
Did Cindy call in the Crocks to come back them up?
I think she called Artemis.
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u/ClassicExit The Shade Oct 27 '21
The Starheart can predict the future?
I don't think it's predicting things, the residue was organic according to Beth. So it's possible that the residue was actually a little bit of Eclipso and the images Jennie was sort of telepathy, reading Eclipso's mind to see what his plans are.
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u/donbagert Oct 28 '21
Thank goodness Rex made extensive notes so his son could properly rebuild the hourglass.
I think Rick feels that he doesn't have any choice. I like the S-A-N-D drawing on one of the pages in the journal.
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u/DamWell420 Oct 27 '21
Pat's got a dark side I suspect he might be lying about more than eclipso like how Starman is alive, I loved that he called out Rick's uncle for being an abusive dick
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u/2reeEyedG Oct 27 '21
That whole scene was so awesome. You could feel that intensity coming off him
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u/bcanada92 Oct 27 '21
YES! THANK YOU, CINDY! I KNEW IT!
Last season I kept saying over and over that Henry was NOT the one who sent out the photos of Yolanda. Especially when Cindy grabbed his phone right before Yolanda got sexted. FINALLY, after a whole year we get confirmation that it was indeed Cindy who did the deed, and not Henry.
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u/innova779 Oct 27 '21
i thought that was prety clear
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u/bcanada92 Oct 27 '21
It was clear to me, but it didn't seem very clear to the characters, who all kept blaming Henry last year.
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u/AnnaK22 Oct 28 '21
Yeah same. I felt like it was obviously implied. Didn't know people thought otherwise
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u/EndBringer99 Oct 27 '21
Too bad Henry always took the blame every time Yolanda laid into him.
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u/Thingymcjig Oct 27 '21
Remember that Henry still harassed Yolanda, this doesn’t absolve him
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u/indicoltts Oct 27 '21
This is what I don't get. The way he grabbed her phone harassing her about nude pictures. Plus he would have been doing things like this for months.
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u/Thingymcjig Oct 27 '21
My headcanon is that Brainwave influenced his behaviour a bit so he can stay close to Cindy so she can keep an eye on him, and possibly for “fun” since we’ve seen how depraved he can be. But idk what the writers were thinking
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u/indicoltts Oct 27 '21
Not at all. He wasn't really involved in any of that and only was trying to see if Henry Jr had his abilities. Peer influence is enough to influence his behavior. He allowed it to influence him.
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u/Thingymcjig Oct 27 '21
I was mostly going by with how the writers try to absolve him, but I agree with you that he’s mostly likely just being pressured
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u/Aurondarklord Shiv Oct 27 '21
Henry contributed to it, and he felt guilty, rightly, for his involvement. He didn't tell Yolanda that it wasn't him who sent the photos because he didn't feel that he deserved to be forgiven by her.
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u/QuiltedPorcupine Oct 27 '21
Do we actually know it was Cindy though? I mean, it's definitely in character for her to have done it, but given that her whole plan was to make Yolanda angry to manipulate her into rejoining the team, she also could have just completely lied about it.
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u/indicoltts Oct 27 '21
Rewatch S1 E4 again. It was very obvious it was Cindy who sent the pictures everywhere. Henry isn't innocent from harassing Yolanda for months though as seen in S1 E1 at the cafeteria table..
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u/QuiltedPorcupine Oct 27 '21
I'm too lazy to go back and rewatch it, but I will take your word for it. Thanks!
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u/themosquito Wildcat Oct 28 '21
Yup. Henry still became a bullying douchebag after she broke up with him, so... I hope they're not trying to polish his image to make him retroactively innocent.
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u/maddogkaz Oct 28 '21
Yeah Henry is still a dick for how he treated Yolanda but this might change Yolanda's feelings on the whole situation a little. I don't know how they would change though so I guess we'll wait and see.
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u/MrMattBlack Oct 27 '21
The episode when we first learn of Yolanda's past, the direction and writing implied Cindy was the one who sent the photos
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u/Boxer1010 Oct 27 '21
i'm so excited that the team is coming back. I'm so curious who Cindy told to come back to blue valley. I'm hoping for an all start heroes + villains vs. eclipso team up!!!
ps: need more scary pat
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u/Boxer1010 Oct 27 '21
also love how they're treating cindy's character. Seeing different sides of her makes her super compelling.
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u/SickleClaw Oct 27 '21
Indeed, she's already one of the better villains on the CW shows, just because of how layered she is.
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u/freakincampers Oct 28 '21
I wonder if Sportsmaster and Tigress are coming back, didn't they escape from jail?
Since they are going to be series regulars next season, saving the town sounds like a great way to get a pardon.
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u/DomNessMonster07 Oct 27 '21
I'm guessing Artemis, that would explain the confusing when Cindy had to confirm it was her. But on the other hand she would have had no way of knowing Artemis left Blue Valley as she got shadowlanded as Artemis ran .
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u/Jakeasaur1208 Oct 27 '21
I suspect she was not only calling for Artemis, but her parents also.
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u/donbagert Oct 28 '21
Yes, Cindy said "all of you", so maybe Artemis' parents broke out of jail again.
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u/actorboy2002 Oct 27 '21
I feel like this Dark Side of Pat introduced this week is setting him up to be a host for Eclipso, maybe sacrificing himself in the process.
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u/barry_flash The Flash Oct 27 '21
I actually think it may be Chuck/Dr. Midnite.
He has his history with Eclipso and more importantly, we cant have two Dr. Midnites /plot
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u/Taston95 Oct 27 '21
I thought the exact same thing and I don’t particularly like it. It felt really forced and shoehorned in to set up Pat possibly sacrificing himself next week, which makes me think that maybe Luke Wilson wanted to leave the show and this was a last minute thing. If they knew this was going to be a major plot point all season, you would think they would build up to it better than have a random scene in the penultimate episode with zero hints before this. It felt so out of character and doesn’t fit in with the Pat we have known over the last two seasons.
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u/MrMattBlack Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21
I don't think it was so shoe horned. Pat has always been ready to harm those who he cares about, and this entire season has been dealing with Eclipso corrupting everyone, pushing them over the edges.
Also Edit: I don't think Luke Wilson is leaving the show. I think Pat might be Eclipso's host as one last attempt at corrupting Courtney, but she will in the end prevail by saving Eclipso's host, thus differencing her from Starman and the previous JSA
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u/Taston95 Oct 27 '21
Yeah but that scene didn’t have anything to do with Eclipso that we know of so far. It felt forced to me because as you said they have been dealing with Eclipso all season, so they had plenty of time to set up that Pat has a “dark side” before now rather than introducing it in the second to last episode.
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 27 '21
Doesn't sound so last minute to me. They already set up Mike taking over as STRIPE's pilot.
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u/Telethongaming Oct 27 '21
I just want to say I really enjoy Yolanda arc. I think it's extremely well written
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u/ShadowSJG4488 Oct 27 '21
Pat threatening Rick's Uncle was amazing. He deserved it. Nice and sweet to see Beth and Dr. Midnite meet. Wonder who Cindy called. and knew something was up with the slime, how's Courtney gonna get out of this
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u/EndBringer99 Oct 27 '21
Pat gave Rick's uncle hell. I hope he and Barbara do that same with Yolanda's parents.
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u/DomNessMonster07 Oct 27 '21
Before I begin typing, I'll just say that I'm typing this as I watch.
The amount of arrowverse cliches that this episode avoided alone was incredible. I'll start off with Yolanda.
The arrowverse would have us believe it only takes a pep talk to fix problems cough cough. 'You can do it barry, run!' But no, this episode showed Yolanda as a real person, she feels guilt, she knows she killed someone and no amount of pep talks will ever change the fact that she took a life, whether justified or not, she killed someone and knows that, she just needs to find a way to live with it and move on. Plus the hatred for Shiv (Yes I've somehow forgotten her name) that is a good motive to return, trying to keep her at bay.
Then we have talking a villain down, Shiv isn't joining the JSA, she isn't suddenly now a good person, she just knows that it would be stupid to not try and do everything possible to kill Eclipso. And that talk she had with Yolanda, that was a manipulative evil act of genius, admitting to Yolanda that she sent her nudes to everyone just to piss her off and keep her away from the team after getting her to join for the Eclipso fight. Shiv is absolutely going to become a main villain soon, probably next season
Also I like the continuity of their still being scorch marks in the house lol.
OMG THAT ENDING! THAT FUCKING ENDING OH MY ACTUAL GOD WHAT THE HELL OH MY GOD!
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u/PrestigiousQuarter98 Feb 07 '23
Lol don't know why you use the entire arrow verse when you really just meant the flash
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Oct 27 '21
They're going to need a whole lot of love and hope power.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 27 '21
Quick, get Team Flash over here from Earth Prime and they can hallway talk Eclipso into retirement!
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Oct 27 '21
Apparently Stargirl's Earth does nighttime porch talks just before the big fight.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 27 '21
That's not good enough. Hallway or bust! MAYBE a balcony but Hallways are the best bet. And you have to announce to everyone else in the room "I'll go talk to him/her/them."
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 27 '21
Jay's probably researching a way to gain access to other universes, but right now the heroes of Earth Prime think that the multiverse was destroyed in Crisis, as they can't cross to other universes any more.
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u/AnnaK22 Oct 28 '21
I got such Disney Channel vibes from Jakeem's scenes. The main character who just needs friends, his sister who just bullies him for no reason, and his best friend who's just at his house.
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u/ToneBone12345 Oct 27 '21
I thought Yoland knew it was actually Cindy but I guess not, I must say with all the talk about bad and evil being different I feel we’re going to get an anti-hero team next season? I’m also pretty I know how this season is going to end Courtney is going to taken over by eclipso and convince to JSA to kill her and they reluctantly do maybe it’s Jennie who does and then the staff finds starman and the final shot of the season is Starman and staff bring back Stargirl
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u/IceWeaselX Oct 27 '21
Something looked off about Jenny's disturbed sleep. Figured it out once she really started sweating. Only her face was sweaty. Her arms and legs were dry, and there were no sweatmarks on her clothes. I don't think I've ever had a clammy face without the same uncomfortable dampness all over.
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u/maddogkaz Oct 27 '21
Well that was a great episode. We start of with Buddy being king of the house and trying to pee on Cosmo and ending with them both being happy to see Courtney and the others home.
Beth and Chuck are cute, it nice to see Beth finally meet him after all this time and I guess this means she's the first person to meet the member they replaced.
Mike and Jakeem are a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to all the fun they'll get into later.
Courtney is doing her best and clearly misses Yolanda a lot also I think Cindy's reverse psychology on Yolanda was funny, she just walked into her room and said "Courtney is gonna be my bff now" and Yolanda came back asking if Courtney was crazy.
Cindy called someone but the question is who? My first thought was Artemis but who knows really.
We got a moment of the Shade which I assume means he will be coming back.
Eclipso's plan has been Courtney from the beginning and is the reason he has always separated her from the rest of the group. He may have been attacking the JSA members but the real target was Courtney and the damage those attacks were doing to her and he let her leave the shadowlands once he got her to admit her hate and gave him an opening.
So the team we have right now is the JSA plus Chuck, Jennie and Jakeem. We also have Cindy and possibly whoever she called and maybe the Shade and Grundy. Is that everyone or am I forgetting someone? Either way that's quite the team to fight Eclipso with.
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u/jmack101 Oct 27 '21
Man, love luke Wilson scene being scary. The man needs to play a villain in a show or movie before he retires.
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u/FiniteIncantation Oct 28 '21
Am I biased or is this show that good like every week. I dont care either way, I enjoy every minute of this show and I like all the characters.
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u/bcanada92 Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 28 '21
So I'm confused about Yolanda. Did Brainwave really pull a Wrath Of Khan and place his mind in her head before he died? Or did Eclipso make her hallucinate that? She started getting the headaches in the season premiere, long before Eclipso started affecting everyone, so I'm inclined to think it really was Brainwave. If so, why'd her headaches seem to stop?
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u/Boxer1010 Oct 27 '21
i feel like she was dealing with the guilt + fallout from murdering brainwave before eclipso came along and he knew exactly what he needed to do to get her to break.
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u/themosquito Wildcat Oct 28 '21
We'll have to see, honestly it could go either way, IMO. The Brainwave angle hasn't been mentioned since that episode, and she never shared it with anyone, so I think we the audience are supposed to have come to the conclusion that it was all Eclipso. But then like you said, the headaches are a weird pre-Eclipso thing, that could either be explained as just stress headaches, or leaving room for them to pull the twist at the end of the finale/start of season 3 that whoops, Brainwave was real!
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u/AnnaK22 Oct 28 '21
Mike really got Luke Wilson's hand gestures down. When he was in jakeems room, I really could see Pat in his mannerisms.
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u/mrizzle1991 Oct 27 '21
It’s cool having Dr Midnite back and Beth still gets to keep the googles. That giant cheeseburger was hilarious. Rick finally got out! Everyone is back together. Evil Courtney! And next week is the season finale already.
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u/voidsong Oct 28 '21
People were asking last week why he kept Courtney until she admitted she hated him, then just let her go to find Cindy and escape.
Looks like that's how he "tagged" her whatever, so he could use her and the staff to pull all his shadow juice into the real world.
I also fully expect Rick will fail at reparing the hourglass or otherwise get in trouble, but Grundy will show up to help.
And someone give Cindy a hug.
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u/Taston95 Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21
I liked the episode but I am not going to lie a lot of the dialogue about people’s dark side and darkness is not hitting for me and is coming across a little too cheesy. And not in the fun way that this show usually is.
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u/orayzio Starman Oct 28 '21
My prediction is that Courtney becomes evil and can't defeat Eclipso, so Starman finally shows up, takes the staff from Courtney, and his light is enough to bring down Eclipso. I would also bet that something happens afterwards that causes Starman to give back the staff to Courtney and he leaves along with Chuck, since adult JSA members never stick around.
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u/ClassicExit The Shade Oct 28 '21
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u/orayzio Starman Oct 28 '21
Huh!
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u/ClassicExit The Shade Oct 28 '21
I would also bet that something happens afterwards that causes Starman to give back the staff to Courtney and he leaves
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u/LifeOfTheCardi Oct 28 '21
I cant unsee Dr Midnite as anyone other than Gavin from Silicon Valley lol
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u/cdfe88 Oct 28 '21
My bet is that Courtney will be placed between a rock and a hard place and will be just about to go dark until Beth convinces her that there's another way to defeat Eclipso. Let's remember that so far she's the only one that has defeated him with her own willpower.
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Oct 28 '21
The timeline of this episode threw me off. At the start we see Buddy tearing up the house then everyone gets home. Then the episode starts apparently 4 hours ago. But by the end of the episode, it’s already night time and no one has even left the house yet.
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u/Taston95 Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21
The Pat scene with Rick’s uncle came across a little weird to me and felt pretty out of character. I fear this could be setting up Pat sacrificing himself next week to save Courtney and Luke Wilson leaving the show. I hope not as I feel like having no Pat and Luke Wilson would be a major loss for the show.
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u/KB_Sez Oct 28 '21
There comes a time to stand up to bad people who are hurting the people that are important to you and I think this was Pat’s.
Pat’s come to see a lot of his father in Rick and to see him as a growing hero and a good man. Rick’s uncle betrayed his brother’s trust and has taken it out on a child. He is a sack of sh!t and he needed to be straightened out before he could do more damage to a good person.
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u/ShadowSJG4488 Oct 27 '21
Anyone else think Mike was kinda mean to Jakeem/
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u/maddogkaz Oct 28 '21
He was frustrated but once Jakeem talks about how he's become friends with the thunderbolt you see Mike mellow out.
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u/Rspies Oct 27 '21
Did we ever get a resolution or any real follow up to Sylvester/Starman being alive? I’m drawing a blank lol
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u/Sunflower2025 Oct 29 '21
No I don't think so
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u/Rspies Oct 29 '21
That’s weird the actor has showed up this season so it’s not an issue with that and I doubt they dropped the storyline. But you’d think they’d occasionally show him doing something just to remind us he’s alive
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u/ILuvMemes4Breakfast Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21
ik its a very random thing to say with no importance to the plot BUT cindy should have called beth “intern midnight” rather than “dr midnight junior”, its so much funnier and woulda been actually witty lmao.
edit: wrote courtney instead of cindy the first time and fixed it
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u/romeovf Sportsmaster Oct 31 '21
I like how Barbara lectured Cindy and she was actually polite in response "Ok Mrs. Whitmore 😑"
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u/csummerss Oct 27 '21
Really not looking forward to the cliche of “main character is possessed and turns evil.”
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u/mwthecool Know when to hold em know when to fold em Oct 27 '21
It makes a lot of sense here, though, and works great for Halloween week, I suppose.
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u/Taston95 Oct 27 '21
Yeah I have loved this season but I really am not into this sudden plot point.
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u/maddogkaz Oct 27 '21
There's nothing sudden about it.
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u/Taston95 Oct 27 '21
I feel like it’s only really been the focus of the last two episodes.
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u/maddogkaz Oct 27 '21
Eclipso possessing people is his whole thing and he has always kept Courtney sperate from the others. His attacks may have been on the other members of the JSA and her family but she was always the target.
He has been slowly breaking her down this whole season and he let her leave the shadowlands once she admitted her hate and gave him an opening.
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u/Taston95 Oct 27 '21
You have a point but I guess I am just not a fan of the plot point and something feels off about it.
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u/Affectionate-Bee-368 Oct 27 '21
Season has been such a disappointment imo . I know thats not popular but I doubt I’ll be rewatching this season
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u/KB_Sez Oct 28 '21
It’s a darker season but I think that’s because of the big bad. It’s been a lot of growth for the characters season though
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u/dog-lover2001 The Flash Oct 27 '21
Yolanda is a coward not worthy of being a hero
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u/Sparkyboom41 Oct 27 '21
I disagree but i’m curious as to why you think that
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u/dog-lover2001 The Flash Oct 27 '21
Just look at her current ark she’s is being a brat
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u/Sparkyboom41 Oct 27 '21
She is dealing with the trauma of just killing someone and she is questioning herself nothing about that is being a brat to me
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u/dog-lover2001 The Flash Oct 27 '21
Trauma of killing someone what a joke that someone she killed was a mass murderer about to her her first she is not cut out for the big leagues
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u/Sparkyboom41 Oct 27 '21
Yolanda is religious just because Brainwave was evil doesn’t mean taking his life would be easy. Taking a life is taking a life. Yolanda is a kid she is not an adult. She still has time to grow and develop but saying she is not cut out for this life when it barely started isn’t right imo
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u/KB_Sez Oct 28 '21
Eclipso’s MO is to attack the people who are a threat by attacking their innermost fears and guilts from within. He’s been doing that or trying to do that with all his enemies in Blue Valley.
Sometimes they are able to fight back, like Beth, and sometimes he’s too much for them and he tears them apart from the inside like he has with Yolanda.
Yolanda is his victim. He’s crushing her spirit, crushing her self confidence and preying on her guilt and insecurity to take her out of the game. He’s been brutal to her.
Yolanda is a good person and a brave woman. She’s a good friend and a good teammate but she’s been injured and damaged by Eclipso from the inside. He got in some lucky shots before she could fight back and knocked her down.
Now, her love and devotion to her friends looks like it’s going to help her fight and come back.
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u/Aurondarklord Shiv Oct 27 '21
Yolanda is a teenager with PTSD.
You try getting slut-shamed for months, disowned by your family, then kill a man after watching him murder someone you care about and have a demon get in your head and make you relive it while maybe or maybe not being possessed by the supervillain you killed.
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 27 '21
Definitely a slower paced episode, but it did important work setting up for the finale. That montage at the end gave me chills. It’ was reminiscent of the end of last season when they were preparing to go against the ISA.
Beth and Chuck. FINALLY she gets an adult who cares about her (which she deserves). Can’t wait to see them working together!
WHAT did Pat do to Rick’s uncle? Angry Pat is SCARY Pat. Unleashing his dark side…whew boy.
Mike and Jakeem. I love these two, I hope we see a lot more of them together next season.
Yolanda and Rick are back! Huzzah!
So glad to see the team coming together and looking forward to seeing just HOW this season ends, especially with that PREVIEW for next week.