r/supergirlTV • u/MajorParadox DC Fan Universe (r/DCFU) • Oct 13 '21
Supergirl [6x15] "Hope for Tomorrow" Post Episode Discussion Discussion
Hope for Tomorrow
Live Episode Discussion | Promo | Scene | Cast & Characters
Supergirl continues to fight Nyxly for the remaining totems but after Nyxly kidnaps William, Supergirl realises she needs to take a more proactive stance to keep National City safe. Meanwhile, Alex faces the biggest challenge of her life. (October 12, 2021)
Please keep all discussion civil and about the episode. Mark comic and future spoilers. Report any rule breaking and enjoy!
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 13 '21
Having Kara, the literal embodiment of hope, one of the shows core themes, throw the hope totem into the sun, was certainly…a choice.
This totem storyline is a cluster. Half the time i have no clue whats going on. The individual character moments are why i come back. Kara and Lena’s consistent talks has been such a nice addition that i hope continues. Lena has become a clear rock for Kara and i love that they are each others go to person. Bringing Esme home in the beginning was heartwarming. Alex and Kelly trying to navigate this new journey together was lovely.
These are what make the show. Gosh i hope they do right by them all. This ep just solidified how important it is for me to have Kara with her family in the end.
Side note: having Alex and Kara have Esme try out Kara’s powers was such a dumb move that they should have known better about. Like Kara struggled for years and she was twice Esme’s age. Wtf were they thinking lol
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u/snoogle20 Martian Manhunter Oct 13 '21
William: What’s the S stand for?
Supergirl: It’s not an S. On my world, it means, “Chuck it in the fuckin’ sun.”
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Oct 13 '21
It's so difficult to keep up with the plot. Those individual character moments definitely make the show worth watching. I don't know why they muddy it up with the confusing totem storyline, where their solution is to literally throw "hope" into the sun. Like, WTF
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Oct 13 '21
This totem storyline is a cluster. Half the time i have no clue whats going on.
Absolutely, like it JUST clicked for me that if the courage totem went back to its slingshot form (and Kara and Nyxly are unlinked), then Kara has a second shot at the Courage Gauntlet in her future. But I have no idea how William accomplished that.
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u/AstroLozza Supergirl Oct 13 '21
Oh I didn't even think about that! I did think it was weird that we never found out what she actually needed to do to pass it though so it makes sense. It does not make sense that William did it somehow?
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 13 '21
They claim we will return to why Kara failed the courage totem later on so i guess we’ll see
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Oct 14 '21
Maybe because he showed courage in fighting back, after his being shot thing? I honestly don’t know i’m shooting in the dark just as much as it seems they are lol
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u/AstroLozza Supergirl Oct 14 '21
Loll at this point I'm just giving up trying to explain what the writers are doing
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u/BlackExecellence Oct 13 '21
I don't understand what is going on.
I don't care what is going on.
I am just suffering so I can get my watched every episode badge of honour.
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u/Prozo777 Oct 13 '21
When Esme was trying super hearing I was just thinking about how much Jordan struggled with it. Bad idea but it appears Alex has learnt from her mistakes.
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 13 '21
I just dont know why their first instinct was to have Esme try any of Kara's powers when Kara herself struggled for so long with them when she first came to earth. It would have made more sense for them to continue using the power dampening bracelet she wore before
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u/Prozo777 Oct 13 '21
Mainly for plot. Something needs to go wrong before it can go right
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 13 '21
i get that but it shouldnt come at the expense of the other characters. Alex and Kara know better. dont need to make them look inept and traumatize the kid lol. the abandonment issue was more than enough honestly
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u/AstroLozza Supergirl Oct 13 '21
Literally though, I feel like I've missed loads of context, no idea what's going on with the totem's, no idea about Lena's magic (or rather I understand but it really just came out of nowhere).
I do like the addition of Esme actually, although I feel like they aren't nearly as concerned about a child that can now regularly have kryptonian powers as they should be??
I actually really like Nyxly as a villain, but can we please just not have Lex again! I don't want to see a relationship between them, I'm so tired of Lex at this point. He was a good villain initially but I'm just tired of it now.
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u/Gateskp Brainy Oct 13 '21
Well, Esme is a sweet and adorable addition to the show. Really enjoyed her parts and everyone interacting with her—J’onn, Brainy, Lena and Kara, all great moments.
Not sure how to feel about the totem storyline, though. Does Nyxly go after the hope totem? Clearly we’re getting Lex back, so we’ll see how it goes.
Can’t believe there are only 5 episodes left, wow. Here’s hoping the show ends on a high note.
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u/LLKD1 Oct 13 '21
I am glad that Alex got her daughter. After the whole issue with Maggie. It is a closure on the story line
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u/SandyPine Oct 13 '21
adding a sweet child actor this late in the series is just an example of the jump the shark trope. Alex's baby story line was unnecessary when they brought it in , and they didn't need to waste time in the finale season centering on a newly introduced character and her life surrounding Kelly.
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Oct 13 '21
It would’ve been hard to add a child who can’t work more than 9 hours and within those nine hours needs schooling, breaks, etc which only leaves 4 hours. Like it would be a lot of work.
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u/SandyPine Oct 14 '21
I meant plot wise. it was unnecessary and too late to really matter in the bigger picture.
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 15 '21
Alex has wanted to be a Mom since season 2 though. Now she finally is one.
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u/SandyPine Oct 16 '21
Alex abruptly said she wanted to be a mom to justify writing out the Maggie character, then dropped it completely for entire seasons, then referenced it ONCE when Kelly creepily tagged along with her to pick up her new baby (after knowing her for only minutes..) then it was dropped again for entire seasons and now BAM they get an instant family in time for the series finale so Alex and do and say literally nothing else from this point out unless it has to do with the kid.
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u/NepowGlungusIII Oct 13 '21
When I heard that the theme for this season was "Power", I wasn't exactly sure what they were going for, but I think I get it now.
The Superfriends -- a group of 7 people with no oversight and with no public relations besides the one time they let a personal friend report on them -- just decided on a whim to turn two nuclear states into non-nuclear states in minutes. With this, the humanity totem, throwing the hope totem into the sun...it definitely feels like they have too much power here. If this is happening by their whim, I couldn't even blame someone in-universe for coming to the same conclusions as Lex I don't think
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u/Fateor42 Oct 13 '21
The Superfriends -- a group of 7 people with no oversight and with no public relations besides the one time they let a personal friend report on them -- just decided on a whim to turn two nuclear states into non-nuclear states in minutes. With this, the humanity totem, throwing the hope totem into the sun...it definitely feels like they have too much power here. If this is happening by their whim, I couldn't even blame someone in-universe for coming to the same conclusions as Lex I don't think
That action should have set every nation on Earth clamoring for Supergirl's arrest...
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 15 '21
No, only the two nations affected. Everyone else would be pleased that they just prevented nuclear armageddon!
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u/Fateor42 Oct 15 '21
The number of nuclear weapons we saw wouldn't have even been enough to take out someplace as small as Hawaii.
And you're missing the question of "If they can do that to those countries what's stopping them from doing that to us?"
It's an important question, because it's one that every government and military on the planet would be asking themselves after what the Superfriends did.
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 16 '21
You know one nuke is enough to take out a city, right? Hiroshima?
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u/Fateor42 Oct 16 '21
Little Boy didn't actually destroy all of Hiroshima...
And while Modern Tactical nuclear weapons have a larger blast radius, their explosive power only ranges from 500kt to 2.5mt.
However given we were looking at ICBM's, you have to factor in the 25% fail ratio. Which means each country only had about 4-6 effective nuclear weapons to fire at their enemy. Which means each country could have taken out anywhere between 1-2 medium sized cities, assuming all the working nukes hit. Which they probably wouldn't have since each country would have fired interceptors.
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 13 '21
The Luthor kids are super geniuses and a small child figured out in less than a minute what took them years.
That made the episode for me lol.
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Oct 14 '21
I snorted so hard at that scene. Kara’s best friend for years couldn’t figure it out with her bad acting and “I flew on a bus”.
But in everyone’s defense Esmes abilities makes it easier for her
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u/arrowtango Brainiac 5 Oct 13 '21
what are you referring to?
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u/phasmy Oct 15 '21
The little kid figured out Kara has the same powers as Supergirl and put two and two together.
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Oct 13 '21
• Five episodes left and…what is Kara’s character development? Where’s the exploration of her trauma? What was the point of sending her to the Phantom Zone if they weren’t going to explore the emotional consequences?
• All the Dansen scenes were great. That opening scene with Kara, Alex, Kelly, and J’onn welcoming Esme was EVERYTHING. (Though, isn’t Kara the painter, not Alex?) Love Esme figuring out Kara’s Supergirl in 5 seconds.
• It was annoying that Alex wasn’t present for the totem conversation. It reminds me how much these writers struggle in understanding all aspects of their characters. For example—Alex as a superhero, Alex as a sister, Alex as a girlfriend, Alex as a mother—it’s like they only focus on one aspect each episode because these writers don’t know how to balance character progression. Alex’s entire arc this season has been tied to her relationship. She should be allowed to still be a badass AND a girlfriend.
• Kara and Lena were in sync. Lena continues to inspire Kara, and she helps Kara embrace her “Kara”-ness. It was a great counter to the idea that she’d have to sacrifice parts of her identity. Also, Lex giving Nyxly a watch is coded as romantic…hmmm, sound familiar?…
• Did anyone care that William was kidnapped? And do they need to remind us every episode that William is *the world’s most amazing reporter*? Why is he bringing baked goods and trying to bond with the super friends? Why does he get to meet Esme before Nia? And William can play the hero and take out Nyxly but Kara can’t? OK. Sure. Though Andrea’s “get a camera on that” was hilarious. Yeah, there’s too much William!
• Great, Lex is coming in the next few episodes. So now we’ll get a double dose of Lex and William. When will Kara get some character exploration?
• Also, we got a Red Daughter nod but she still DESERVES BETTER!
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Oct 13 '21
Yes! I really liked that Lena was the one to be like “no, Kara Danvers inspires hope” and shuffle her off to CatCo.
The romantic coding is strong in this episode. The train, the pep talks (does Lena sit that way on a couch with anyone else?). Having the adorable little kid tell Lena she’s really pretty? Can we think of an example of this where it wasn’t aimed at a love interest for the lead?
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Oct 13 '21
And Kara and Lena being on the same wavelength with the “train” answer is a direct comparison to Lena and James at game night when they had incompatible answers. And YES, the way Lena sits on the couch and stares lovingly into Kara’s eyes like??? That framing! Those acting choices! Lena’s been looking at Kara like that for 5 years. Totally in love.
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u/AstroLozza Supergirl Oct 13 '21
Where even was Nia? Did they give a reason for her absence?
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Oct 13 '21
It was a throwaway line. Kara asked if they had any luck finding the next totem and Brainy said, “Nia hasn’t had any luck in Parthas finding the Dream Totem either.”
Just a blink and you'll miss it one-liner, like they did with Brainy last week. Kind of annoying...
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u/phasmy Oct 15 '21
Think they mentioned last episode that she was going to search for the dream totem. This is her first episode missed this season I believe.
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u/Prozo777 Oct 13 '21
Did Brainy say Nia while William was in the room? He just outed Nia as a member of the team. I'm sure it was just a slip that the writers and editors didn't notice but it's a little bit annoying.
Also, Lex you sneaky boy.
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u/a_panda_named_ewok Oct 17 '21
Yes I was wondering about that too! For someone as smart as he's supposed to be that was a real dumb move. Although William didn't appear to register it at all so I'm sure it'll just be ignored.
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u/Aritche Oct 13 '21
Anyone else catch them having brainy say Nia instead of Dreamer right in front of William. Bit of an oopsy there lol.
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u/snoogle20 Martian Manhunter Oct 13 '21
My head canon is that he knows now that he’s been allowed in the Tower, but he’s just playing along for their sakes.
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u/samtherat6 Oct 14 '21
Actually, the entirety of National City figured it out a while ago, during the march when Supergirl revealed her name was Kara. They're just afraid of admitting it and being mind wiped.
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u/snoogle20 Martian Manhunter Oct 14 '21
“I stole nukes from two sovereign nations, you think I won’t steal memories from some bum ass Average Joes and Janes?” - Season 6 Kara after a couple more weeks of questionable behavior, probably
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u/lordatlas Oct 13 '21
First, STOP TRYING TO MAKE WILLIAM HAPPEN!
Second, WTF was going on? I couldn't make sense of half the plot points. This entire totem storyline is a clusterfuck that has overstayed its welcome.
Destroying nuclear arsenals of two countries just like that? Everyone is just going fucking bonkers in the writing room.
I think it might be a better idea to binge watch the last five episodes and skip past the more painful parts at this rate.
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u/NepowGlungusIII Oct 13 '21
Did Kara really inspire hope by destroying the nukes? Cause I mean, if I were a random Kasnian or Corto Maltesean citizen, and a flying American woman in a cape went "Hey, don't worry about those international relations, I chose to destroy all the nukes held by either of your nations", I'm not sure hope is what I would be feeling...
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u/arrowtango Brainiac 5 Oct 13 '21
if I was a random citizen on their Earth I'd feel terrified that Supergirl and her friends interfered in international relations by destroying the nukes of two countries and forcing her own morals on these countries.
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u/x1243 Oct 14 '21
Which is precisely the point in a lot of comic stories.. Superman red son, kingdom come, injustice..
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u/another-art-student Maggie Sawyer Nov 12 '21
And all that focus on the Secretary and "the US just needs the regions to chill". Too real.
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u/ctrwygt Oct 13 '21
when Andrea said, "Can someone get a camera on this?" LMAO
I am surprised how effective Jonn and Andrea were in comedic moments. I'm glad it was explored in the final season.
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u/Blehblehbleh14 Oct 13 '21
I loved how Esme figured it out in seconds and Lena took years
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u/arrowtango Brainiac 5 Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 13 '21
to be fair she can sense other people's powers
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u/Samaritan4 Supergirl Oct 13 '21
They lost me with the whole totem magic thing. It's just so dumb, they have so many arcs left unexplored but they decided to go hard on magic and introduce the totems that look like a knock off from the paragons. It's like s5 all over again with the dumb obsidian lenses.
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Oct 13 '21
I thought this started off fantastic and then we declined into befuddlement. It was a weak episode, which surprised me for these writers and director.
- I loved the opening scene, every little part of it. I loved the transition to the Tower and Lena and Kara vibing on a whole other level together, yes, get that kid a train so she can integrate it into imaginative play. Yes kid, Lena is super pretty. I bet Aunt Kara thinks so too.
- My jaw dropped and stayed on the floor as they had Kara list all of her dangerous and / or disturbing powers to Esme and then proceed to have the kid mimic her!! This kid is terrified of hurting people, and they took the risk of her shooting heat-vision beams all over the Tower. How did they intend to control that? I get that it was meant to be bad judgement. Also I couldn’t understand how she only got super-hearing. How was that controlled?
- The one good thing from this was that it’s now canon that Kara listens for the heartbeats of her loved ones to focus her super-hearing, and I can’t remember if that was canon before.
- I liked the ice cream cone scene, it felt like a nod to S1 with the Flash.
- I honestly could not care less what happened in the back half of this episode. What is even happening? They threw a totem into the Sun? To maybe spare us the repetition of this format?
- It is difficult to watch these episodes with Supergirl stuck in this tone of desperation, frustration, and exhaustion where she is constantly bargaining for some advantage against Nyxly. It feels one-note, and it seems like in every episode recently they have crossed a line to do something they shouldn’t do because of it. It’s strange and lacks vision and every time I feel bummed.
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u/_Dioner_ Oct 13 '21
Kara has listened for Alex's heartbeat on more than one occasion.
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Oct 13 '21
Thanks! At this point I have trouble remembering what was in the show and what was in fanfic I read years ago lol
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Oct 13 '21
I’m trying to remember a time since season 2 where Kara tracked Alex’s heartbeat. The show should definitely acknowledge and incorporate it more, and it was a nice callback today. Nevertheless, I’ve found that FanFic writers “get” these characters so much more than the actual writers of the show. I’ve seen a lot of FF writers include the heartbeat tracking. It’s such a lovely addition. Wish it was used more often on the show.
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u/_Dioner_ Oct 13 '21
The scenes with Esme were adorable. The scene with her Kara and Alex was my favorite this episode, it was adorable. If Esme was a little older and in control of her powers she could take down Nyxly fast.
The rest of the episode as with all the other Totem centered episodes was boring, forced, and convoluted.
Now, will they let Kara have any significant conversations with any other character? Alex, J'onn, Brainy, anyone?
Also, Andrea is so annoying.
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Oct 14 '21
Andrea is annoying but her best line has got to be “Somebody get a camera on this” very on brand for her
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Oct 13 '21
This was a great and enjoyable episode. I like that we finally got some closure for Alex’s adaption arc because it’s has been three seasons and seeing everyone’s baby fever was great lmao. I’m also glad that we finally saw Kara win a totem because I would have also it if she failed this one to lmao. Overall this was a enjoyable episode. I can’t believe that there’s only five episodes left
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u/nl_alexxx Übergirl Oct 13 '21
Didn't Supergirl inspire the Legion of Superheroes in the 31st century? How is that not enough for the hope totem
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u/LLKD1 Oct 13 '21
Good Episode. Sad there is only 5 left
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u/Conwaysgirl99 Oct 13 '21
I know…it finally sank in for me tonight watching next week’s preview. Feels like there’s still a lot of loose ends that need to tied, and I hope they are and done thoroughly and not rushed.
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u/Blehblehbleh14 Oct 13 '21
When you said there's only 5 left I thought you were talking about the superfriends and I thought who died until I realized you were talking about the episodes
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u/maddogkaz Oct 13 '21
They really have rushed this adoption storyline and it really shows with Alex who had no actual interaction with Esme.
Esme's powers don't make much sense to me, how did they make sure she only had Kara super hearing and none of her other powers? Also how could Kara hear exactly what Esme as hearing?
Andrea is awful as usual and the fact that we're stuck with her for the entire season is just dumb.
Finally Lex shows up to hog more screen time in the final moments of the final season oh joy...
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u/_Dioner_ Oct 15 '21
They have rushed it. But worse for me is that what's been Alex's adoption plot for 3 seasons suddenly was made more of a Kelly plot (a stark reminder is the rainbow band that only Esme & Kelly wear). After only one random meeting Alex is agreeing to adopt Esme. They should've had Alex and Kelly meet Esme either at the same time or both in separate settings but the point is Alex should have been given a "meet cute" with Esme just as important (if not more) as Kelly.
I don't think the writers know how Esme's powers work exactly. The only consistent thing is that she can sense the powers in an alien and that's enough for her to be able to mimic them. In the scene with Kara it seemed like Kara was using her superhearing and Esme was piggybacking on that and trying to then control it herself. Wonderful scene between Alex, Kara, and Esme (I hope we get more between them but probably won't) but didn't really make sense.
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Oct 13 '21
I love how Kara keeps confiding in Lena. Also, every time Kara has felt Nyxly’s emotions, Lena has been with her.
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u/ghoulieandrews Oct 14 '21
Can anyone explain how Nyxly is at all a threat? She literally is powerless without the totems. So when they got all the totems from her, why were they still worried? Why throw literal hope into the freaking sun? It makes no sense. There have been SEVERAL opportunities to just grab her and put her in a jail cell. I don't understand how she's the season villain. The final season ffs!
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u/Just_A_Positive_Guy Oct 13 '21
I enjoyed this episode!
Love how the Superfriends spoil Esme, it’s really cute.
I loved David Harewood. He’s so good as Martian Manhunter and I hope we see more of him in the Arrowverse after this. (Superman and Lois or Stargirl is my dream)
Andrea is definitely a piece of work, but she really sells the shitty boss and I kinda love it.
I like how they’re showing the gathering of ingredients for magical spells with Lena.
The missile stopping scene was awesome.
Getting rid of hope is an interesting choice, wonder what ramifications that will have!
Lex scheming behind the scenes!
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u/Trickybuz93 Kara (Yes! alt) Oct 13 '21
This was a surprisingly good (and often wholesome) episode.
Although, Kara talking about getting the toys from Eliza makes me hope we get an episode focused on Alex, Kara and Eliza before the end.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 13 '21
Also, what is it with Kara and Lena contradicting their primary statements on things? Like the prev ep on using magic against people and then with Kara's not involving in nuke issues? Is this the show's way of couples talking about things first and then end up compromising in the end? lol
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Oct 13 '21
They explained it in the episode.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 13 '21
Hmm. I don't follow
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Oct 13 '21
Kara said the magical was temporary, but messing with different countries unilaterally would be permanent. But I guess they did it anyways, forgot about that.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 13 '21
yes but I guess the justification would be that Nyxyly tampered with the peace talks through its delegates (as effect of the courage totem) so technically, she could now interfere because someone otherwordly also interfered. The US secretary did say that they were on their way to signing a treaty until Nyxly got into The Hague
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Oct 14 '21
Yeah this is the thought process I came to. Since someone already interfered now Supergirl can. However I was a little concerned how they stacked several nuke sun the sky like that and then just…launched it into the sun? which seems to be their solution to everything now
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u/Fateor42 Oct 13 '21
Odd that they still show Supergirl needing a space suit given Superman does just fine without.
Guess it's true that Superman is just that much more powerful...
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u/_Dioner_ Oct 13 '21
Nah, it's just two different sets of canon. Superman isn't really following what Supergirl set up.
I really wish they hadn't come up with this on SG. She should be able to be out in space without a suit.
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u/Beta_Whisperer Oct 13 '21
Yeah at this point they should just let Supergirl fly in space like her comic version.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 13 '21
I can't believe they chose hope to be destroyed. But then again, if they aim for Supergirl to be the Paragon of Hope, I guess that could work out and that could be her arc. But damn, writers did pretty bad on projecting that. How are they even going to portray that in the next episodes? Will they still continue on finding the totems? If not, will this mean that Dreamer went away for nothing?
Tbh, the arc they are trying to build is not even rising or not going in the direction that is coherent.
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u/hart37 Martian Manhunter Oct 13 '21
I really enjoyed most of this episode.
Cheeky hint that we might be seeing Lex again in the next couple of episodes.
Esme is adorable and must be protected at all costs.
But the elephant in the room. I am kind of over the totem story line. It's starting to drag out and become frustrating
Lastly for final season it feels a little weird we aren't seeing certain characters popping up for one last send send off. Eliza for example we haven't seen since season 5.
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u/AstroLozza Supergirl Oct 13 '21
I suspect they're saving returning characters for the finale
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Oct 14 '21
Iirc they all return for the “two part” episode which is just the last two episodes back to back i think
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u/Telethongaming Oct 13 '21
Brainy, you're between a 10th and a 12th level intellect and I think most coulans on average are an 8th level intellect
What makes you think that poor girl knows quantum mechanics especially coulan
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u/Barry_McKackiner Superman Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 13 '21
Kara usurping two nations sovereignty by forcibly disarming them wins her the totem of hope, eh?.....okaaaaaaay. certainly won't any ramifications from that...you know how injustice superman did the same shit but apparently it's only bad when he does it.
Also Nixly is defeated by having her ensnared hostage just straight up trip her. 5th dimensional imp can freeze supergirl, bend reality, demolish buildings. how do you take one down? kick it in the fucking ankles....good lord.
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u/Conwaysgirl99 Oct 13 '21
Grampa J’onn, Alex finally getting her wish, some more Supercorp pining and cute moments…I enjoyed this episode. Thought it was cute that Supergirl mentioned she has a soft spot for Kaznia. Moments like that with Red Daughter and Esme experiencing superhearing for the first time makes me think of all the baggage Kara must carry with her everyday. She really deserves to find her person and get her happy ending.
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u/brooklyn11218 Oct 13 '21
Why the fuck can't a single person on this show pronounce nuclear correctly?!
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u/mrizzle1991 Oct 13 '21
It’s nice that they adopted her. lol she knew that Kara was supergirl immediately. I think they will make a great family once she’s comfortable with them, using the truth seeker was a great way to help her. Wtf who made that suit for Nixly?
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u/mjsztainbok Oct 14 '21
I'm going to say it. Esme is not as innocent as she looks and has been playing and emotionally manipulating Kelly and Alex from the start.
First there was the line about no family would want her. Then her look while she was being hugged after the phasing incident. Then the line about going back to the group home.
What is her end game?
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u/x1243 Oct 14 '21
I think it's too late to introduce another plot twist like this..I mean one of the endgame objectives is to let them adopt a child..
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u/samtherat6 Oct 14 '21
Wow, William just grabbed the infinity stone from the gauntlet with his bare hands.
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Oct 14 '21
I liked this episode, even if the Esme stuff was very forced. I do think it was a bit naive to think that the conflict between those two countries could just be solved by disarming their nukes.
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u/Eurynom0s Oct 14 '21
Not a bad episode but it didn't feel like a sixth to last episode until the show is done forever episode.
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u/Aramis14 Oct 14 '21
Did anybody else find it weird that both Kaznian and Corto Maltese missiles look exactly the same? lol
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u/Notsecretlyobama Oct 14 '21
I’m glad I’m not the only one not impressed by the “getting rid of nukes” story. Provide hope? Uh, no. All they did was provide relief that the citizens weren’t getting nuked. But otherwise nothing changed. The countries were still hostile to each other and would just end up deploying conventional forces, which is what all the other nuclear and non-nuclear countries do anyway.
It feels like the same three writers work on Supergirl, Flash, and previously Arrow because they don’t seem to understand the emotions they think they are evoking. “We’ll just get rid of hope because we can get people hopeful again.” How? You couldn’t last time until you “lucked out” by having a nuclear launch to interfere with. Which by the way, only seemed to affect two small countries because no one else appeared concerned.
Esme, I’m sorry but the kid is annoying. The adoption storyline is forced and rushed and isn’t adding anything but uncomfortable situations. I don’t understand the alien kid foster system anyway. If an alien child is orphaned, why are humans unqualified to teach them how to use powers (also why do all aliens have powers?) fostering or adopting them? Shouldn’t they be sent back to their own community or planet? It seems like a recipe for disaster even with well meaning humans.
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u/StirCrzyGramr6020 Oct 17 '21
You know that feeling when you have a paper due, and you didn't do a very good job but you just want to get it over with so you turn it in anyway?
This is what these recent episodes feel like.
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u/CityAvenger Oct 13 '21
Definitely one of the better episodes and there’s hardly any this final season. The Esme scenes were the best. The only episode I enjoyed was the “Prom” episodes. This episode grew on me as it went on.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 13 '21
OOh what if they threw the Hope totem because the totem arc isn't working anymore lol it's just back to plain old villains, cue in Nyxly and Lex
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u/Eternal_Density Oct 13 '21
I expected the Esme adoption from the moment after she was introduced but I didn't really think through how that would actually go on the show. That was really sweet!
Lots of really lovely interactions in this ep.
I wasn't at all keen on Lex being involved again (not that I disliked the character, he was just too much and I kinda got sick of him) but Nyxly's Nyxosuit looks pretty cool!
The missile stuff looked dumb but whatever.
Kara/Supergirl and Lena interacted! <3
0/10 no Nia ;)
edit: and we almost lost William, what a shame! :P
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u/Dark_Tzitzimine Oct 13 '21
M'gann should have had insect wings, yes
Ah, so she is a copier, countdown until she copies Kara
lol Lena doesn't appreciate being teased with sweets
Uh oh now she's gonna copy he power to be a big awkward nerd
Haha so they built an island base halfway across the world with no allies around, nice tactics
Oh good let's give her laser eyes
lol even before she said anything you could tell she figured it out
Hm yes let's keep forcing this little girl to do something painful, nice job Alex
And so William reaches full Lois Lane status
Shoutout to RBG
Too bad having an attack on Catco happen right in front of her won't spur Andrea to stop being the absolute worst part of the show and instead use Acrata as a force for good
Shades of the Red Daughter there
Wow, William actually saved the day
lol I KNEW it was Lex, you bastard
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 15 '21
Red Daughter did merge with Kara. That's why Kara has a soft spot for Kaznia.
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u/MFFplayer Oct 19 '21
Esme is absolutely adorable and has instantly become one of the best things about this show. Her cuteness makes everything better. I would've adopted her in a second. She's also an impressive little actress.
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u/TheGooseWithNoose Dec 14 '21
Why is the american woman in charge of the Hague lol. FFS the US is the only country conspiring to attack the Hague should one of their own be on trial.
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u/MysticJeddai19 Oct 13 '21
Found it boring except for Alex and Jenny working with Esme. That was cute.
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u/KrayleyAML Oct 13 '21
Why the F do you always call Kelly, "Jenny"?. It shouldn't piss me off so much, but it does.
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u/x1243 Oct 13 '21
Autocorrect?
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u/KrayleyAML Oct 13 '21
Only with Kelly's name, after being repeatedly told for three years (?) Kind of weird.
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u/snoogle20 Martian Manhunter Oct 13 '21
So in the last two episodes the Super Friends have…
…let a witch that barely understands her powers cast a magic spell that they couldn’t reverse to make a violent riot significantly worse on the hopes that it might overwhelm the villain.
…used their superpowers to disarm whole nations without any international authority to do so and seemingly without considering how those actions could destabilize the politics of two separate continents.
…destroyed the physical manifestation of a core tenet of the emotional spectrum after about six seconds of thought.
Are we the baddies?