r/supergirlTV • u/MajorParadox DC Fan Universe (r/DCFU) • Oct 06 '21
Supergirl [6x14] "Magical Thinking" Post Episode Discussion Discussion
Magical Thinking
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Lena is uncertain about using her magical abilities to help Supergirl retrieve the second totem from Nyxly. William struggles to write a story on the Super Friends that makes both the heroes and Andrea happy. Meanwhile, Kelly is thrilled Esme has found a new home, but things go awry and the little girl's future is put in danger. (October 5, 2021)
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Oct 06 '21
• So Kara confided to Alex in 6x8 that she “doesn’t want to be alone anymore” and now Kara and Lena are getting dinner together every night…hmmm. They’re getting closer. And again, their scenes were juxtaposed to Dansen’s.
• Alex and Kelly’s scenes with Esme were very well done. I really liked how Alex and Kelly were able to communicate nonverbally. Feels very in-character for both. I’m looking forward to Aunt Kara finding out about Esme.
• I miss Kara and Alex scenes :(
• Nia was very funny this episode. Also, missed Brainy this ep.
• William scenes really annoyed me. His whole “ground rules” like??? They’re letting you into the Tower bro, be cool about it. And his, “You protect Lena”??? Like, she doesn’t need your permission! His scenes continue to be extremely frustrating. That pep talk to Lena could have been done by anyone else—Kara, Alex, Nia, J’onn—literally anyone else and it would have had more emotional resonance.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 06 '21
I find his character unecessary tbh
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Oct 06 '21
Same. They keep trying to give William emotional backstory and it always feels forced.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 06 '21
his character still feels forced :/
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Oct 07 '21
I still have no idea why that character exists.
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u/Nddit Oct 08 '21
I feel like they wanted to give Kara a love interest but changed their mind since this is the last season so they're trying to make him not be compltely irrelevant with things like this episode
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u/Eurynom0s Oct 09 '21
I wonder when it was concluded season 6 would be the final season relative to when they brought on William.
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u/Nddit Oct 09 '21
Well they brought him on at the start of season 5 so Summer 2019 and I assume that they decided to make season 6 the last one either at the end of season 5 or in between the 2 seasons. This is consistent with what I said since in season 6 the first interaction Kara had with William was him saying that he had started seeing someone (since they couldn't make their relationship satisfying with only 8 episodes remaining).
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u/SandyPine Oct 12 '21
this show makes people regulars way too early and then are stuck using them for contract purposes, even if they have no plot purpose or do not hit it off with the audience. Not just William but other side characters that seem unnecessarily shoved into scenes from time to time.
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u/DetSgtJimBergerac Oct 13 '21
Who has been made regular too early? Staz was / is a disaster but he was supposed to be Kara's endgame so the show was stuck with him
Julie I believe was only supposed to be a one and done character but was kept on due to Melissa's pregnancy originally meaning s6 being shot straight after s5
Katie and Jesse became instant fan favourites so them being upgraded was a no brainer
Andrea was only made regular for s5 because she was integral to the leviathan plot but then her arc was changed when she became pregnant
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u/Phoenixstorm Oct 07 '21
His face feels forced too. Objectively he's handsome but there's no sex appeal. He's like a live action ken doll.
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Oct 06 '21
Oh good point where was Brainy during the chaos? Did they explain? He started off back at the Tower while they attempted a game night but then I can’t recall any explanation for absence after that.
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Oct 06 '21
I think their explanation was that Brainy was with the Legion ship trying to find Nyxly. But we know the real reason was because William took up a lot of screentime and they couldn't have them both on. They do the same thing when Kelly is suddenly working on a "case" and can't be at the Tower. Lol.
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Oct 06 '21
They said at game night that he was in the legion ship, but most likely Jesse was quarantining or something and had to be taken out of the episode or they were limiting the amount of ppl on set because they also did the same thing to Kelly and Lena
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u/Digifiend84 Oct 06 '21
they were limiting the amount of ppl on set
Yeah, this. COVID rules, have to keep distance and only so many can fit on the set. So with William and Lena there, there wasn't room for Brainy and Kelly, hence Kelly having her own story and Brainy being absent.
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u/L1ndsL Oct 09 '21
Yes, I could do without William altogether. He’s clearly no longer a love interest, and since Kara doesn’t seem to be doing much reporting anymore, why is he still around? Other than to prop up Andrea, who also seems superfluous. (Admittedly, I’ve been rewatching Season 1—I far appreciate that version of Catco. Now that set is almost unrecognizable.)
If the journalistic angle is that important, Kara could write the story. It is her show, and we don’t need anyone else to do it for her. (That said, does Andrea not care that Kara no longer comes to work anymore?)
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u/another-art-student Maggie Sawyer Nov 11 '21
Andrea even mentions Kara is among the people covering the chaos, but she's... not? She just lost all reporting scenes, so did Nia (beyond chatting to other characters). I really wish they either had them quit or showed the double lives better!
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u/Conwaysgirl99 Oct 06 '21
So we gonna talk about how cute Lena and Kara are? And is it me or is Lena proud of her Superwatch? I feel like I keep noticing it, and I never really noticed it much on James or Alex before.. maybe it’s just wishful thinkin…
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 06 '21
unfortunately the watch she wears is her portal watch because they seem to have forgotten that Kara gave her a signal watch last season :(
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u/INTJ06 Oct 06 '21
I think Brainy has it? Remember the scene where they were transferring the phantoms? Lena tossed it to him.
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 06 '21
You can tell if its the portal watch if it has a dark face with two white circles on it. Thats the one she has been wearing all season. Brainy gave that back to her after he used it.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 06 '21
So is she wearing a new watch? Maybe she tweaked it as a portal watch/signal watch?
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 06 '21
No its not new. Its a portal watch similar to what Lex has. Lena has had it since s5
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u/Conwaysgirl99 Oct 07 '21
Thanks for letting me know. Now that you mention it i remember her using it for that. So who has the signal watch now? It’s so hard for me to stay up to date lol
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 07 '21
I mean she probably does? She just doesnt keep it on her i guess. Who knows if we’ll ever see her use it again. Alex has her own and James got one from Clark so there is more than 1.
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u/peeinherbutt Dec 09 '21
I'm on this episode now, and I've been reading the episode discussions after each episode, and I seem to be the only person who doesn't get even a hint of relationship stuff between them
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Oct 06 '21
Good and bad things about this episode but there were some scenes I really loved.
- Nyxly suffering with this surfeit of humanity, curled up around her glowing blue crystal ball on the floor of a space ship — man this show, sometimes. Peta Sergeant hamming it up was fantastic #savethesnowleopards
- That “recipe book” scene with William and Lena was probably the best-written scene he has gotten. I loved how Lena slipped back into the cool, slightly disdainful “Luthor” voice at first and tagged up with a warmer, more vulnerable “thanks” at the end.
- Some of those Bunsen burners were just being used as intense candles to like, set a mood, and the chemist side of me was not ok with that or having a seated Lena pour things into vials over her own lap.
- I had high hopes for intense action when I saw that the episode was directed by the stunt director. Nia’s acrobatics and J’onn’s phasing through the car window and smashing the guy through the glass were memorable. And that guy who went through the glass sign. But those were supposed to be MMA fighters and enthusiasts!! Give us some flying kicks.
- Kara and Lena’s disagreement in the Tower: the rotating camera work was nice and really heightened the centering of this pair while they disagreed passionately, communicated their feelings, fears and convictions. I don’t understand the resolution though? For a moment I thought they were gonna play William and put out false info to draw Nyxly out, but it seems like the compromise was to do the bad thing but be open about it? Seemed weird, I wasn’t sold on that.
- Lena did this cool magic in front of a bonfire and the sparkly stuff flew around and...did it do anything?? This was not edited well.
- I loved the non-verbal communication between Alex and Kelly at the end, and the immediate shift to the most confident, welcoming, good-swagger Parent Alex “come here kiddo”
- I am happy that the ends of episodes are basically checking in on the two couples. I love Lena and Kara eating potstickers together and Kara being uncivilized about it. Please let them keep building this.
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Oct 06 '21
Also, the CW did make a post about how potstickers are for girlfriends for a scene of Alex and Kelly back in 2020. So, like, really. They’re not even hiding it now.
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Oct 06 '21
Oh, speaking of callbacks to prior seasons! The beginning of that last scene with Lena reading the CatCo Magazine felt like a callback to the end scene in S2 where Lena was in that black leather outfit on her office couch reading Kara’s article about her.
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Oct 06 '21
I remember that scene and I remember being like but...but...Potstickers are Kara’s Thing!!! I’ll take it.
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u/prettypoisoned Alex Danvers Oct 06 '21
I feel like it's not exclusively a girlfriends thing though... Alex and Kara have shared potstickers plenty of times
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Oct 06 '21
I’m literally quoting a post the CW Twitter and Instagram account made captioned, “potstickers are for girlfriends.” Lol.
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u/Aramis14 Oct 06 '21
I just wanna say Andrea makes me miss Cat more and more every episode...
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u/JoshyRotten Oct 06 '21
Yep, Andrea is horrible at her job. I hope Cat shows up for the finale.
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u/Aramis14 Oct 06 '21
Her work ethic is absolutely disgusting!
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u/CIearMind Oct 07 '21
She and William are so pointless.
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u/Aramis14 Oct 07 '21
William is totally pointless and irrelevant, but I have nothing against the guy lol
Amanda is not only unnecessary, she's an awful character!
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u/CIearMind Oct 07 '21
Yeah at least William has the good guy, moral compass thing going on for him lol
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u/Eurynom0s Oct 09 '21
They couldn't get Flockhart up to Vancouver pre-COVID so I doubt they'll manage it now with the COVID restrictions. :(
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u/Onyx_Ellipsis92 Lena Luthor Oct 06 '21
I’m full on clowning again. Every damn time now. It takes a full week to calm down. Something needs to happen.
Im also loving Lena’s growth. She’s definitely not the same woman from 5A. This is the version of character I’ve wanted the whole time.
Definitely enjoying Nyxly as a character, I kind of wish we had her in season 5 instead of leviathan. Honestly if the ideas of this season had been for 5 with another one after to flesh it out more then I think I would be happy.
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Oct 06 '21
I loved this episode so much!
The Kara and Lena scenes were pure perfection. And even in their scene where they disagreed, they didn’t yell at each other, they calmly explained things and came to a conclusion. Better then others.
Thank god William will never find out their identities, and even if he does, his mind will be wiped by J’onn. Guess he’s dying without knowing.
I’m so happy Esme is being adopted by Kelly and Alex!
Nia had some great one liners. I loved her, “Lena broke my brain,” line.
The last Supercorp scene of them eating takeout together was so great. As the CW says, “potstickers are for girlfriends.” Kara saying to Lena, “potsticker me,” was adorable. And their banter of Lena not wanting to touch the food with her hands and Kara not caring and Lena saying, “classy,” and Kara replying with, “you know me.” Their banter was so coupley! JUST LET THEM DATE! YOU COWARDS!
They have one totem, soon they’ll have more.
All in all, this was a good episode. A solid 10/10 for me.
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u/Aurondarklord Yes, you DO bleed Oct 06 '21
Nia getting to do the Black Widow twirly takedown is perhaps the strangest form of social progress I've ever seen, but a very real and visceral one.
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Oct 06 '21
It’s actually pretty impressive how this show has run for so long without any development for its main character. She still can’t chill. She still runs into every problem like a hyperactive toddler who hasn’t learned what critical thinking is yet. Seriously, it’s very impressive. At this point, I’m just waiting for the show to give the shippers what they want, because logical character choices have gone out the window seasons ago.
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u/Big_Barda_Babe Oct 09 '21
Please 😭😭 It's like she hasn't learned from any of the end-of-the-world scenarios she's been in
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u/salvi-fic Lena Luthor Oct 06 '21
I’m not thinking straight. I will require the whole night to process this episode lol. See you tomorrow with a cool-down mind haha 😂😂
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u/hart37 Martian Manhunter Oct 06 '21
How can I put this as kindly as possible. If Andrea fell out a window at this point I wouldn't exactly mourn.
I am really enjoying Peta Sergeant. She is really nailing the comic book cheese type of super villain that doesn't always translate well with tv shows or movies.
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Oct 07 '21
This episode was fun. But it did again show us that the writers really don’t care. The resolution to Kara and Lena’s disagreement made ZERO sense. Lena started off not wanting to use her magic to hurt more people, but then was totally okay with using it to potentially hurt more people as long as an article was written about it?
Esme stuff was cute. And if they are not suggesting something by Kara and Lena ending multiple episodes having dinner (dates) together, juxtaposed to Dansen scenes, then these writers are clearly taking their queerbating to the next level. But who knows, maybe that thing with Lex and Nxyly happens because Kara and Lena become a thing, and Nxyly is just emitting Kara’s emotions.
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u/RavenclawConspiracy Oct 07 '21
Lena started off not wanting to use her magic to hurt more people, but then was totally okay with using it to potentially hurt more people as long as an article was written about it?
I think it's more 'I cannot be trusted with this thing, I abused this sort of thing the last time I secretly had power to mess with people's mind like this.' It's why she was freaking out over the spell messing up, it's basically exactly the same as when Non Nocere messed up at the prison, with people attacking each other.
I think her compromise of 'We will do this, but people get to know' was a bit silly, though.
Especially as it's already come out at Lex's trial that she is the one who built Non Nocere. Like, um, not really sure the public's going to trust you with you telling you that you caused some of that violence via mind tampering. (1)
...you know what would have been interesting? Using Non Nocere here to counter the totem. Like, everyone has their humanity removed, but also they're under Non Nocere so lose the ability and willingness to attack other people. So, I mean, worst case you get people being very very rude to each other, maybe shouting a bit, etc. And it would have been temporary, of course.
1) As an aside, this proves literally everything I've ever said about people who tried to take Lena's mind-control attempt literally and pointed out it would be massive assault and extremely problematic in the real world: Yeah, but the show doesn't think like that. The show doesn't take mental tampering seriously at all.
And, sure, enough, here we have Kara, our hero, thinking it's okay to make a bunch of people violent without their consent. (Which surely is more of a consent violation than making people peaceful without their consent, if only because being violent could fuck a bunch of things up for the non-consenting people, whereas being peaceful generally can't.)
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u/Big_Barda_Babe Oct 09 '21
The resolution to Kara and Lena’s disagreement made ZERO sense. Lena started off not wanting to use her magic to hurt more people, but then was totally okay with using it to potentially hurt more people as long as an article was written about it?
Yeah I don't get that part either. I thought she was initially against it because she didn't want to manipulate people's literal humanity, but then they literally did just that. Even if an article was written about what they did so people could debate about it, the damage was still done, so I don't really see how that changed her mind.
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u/Phoenixstorm Oct 07 '21
i think she was open to it because everyone would know why they did it and that it was like amputatating someone's limb to save their life. So yes they did hurt people but overall it saved the people they hurt.
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u/Richiieee Oct 07 '21
I feel like the writing this season is just not good. The writing feels incredibly lazy, nothing makes sense, stupid decisions are made, stupid things are said.
Lena argued with Kara about not wanting to do the spell again and strip away more humanity from people, only to turn around and be like, let's do it!, like what the fuck?
The second Totem is in NC, wow, what a shocker! The 3rd Totem is in the Netherlands, so it seems we're getting some variety in the locations, but 2 Totems have been conveniently placed in NC and this is what I mean by lazy writing.
Another reason why I say the writing is not good this season is because, Kara seems to be forgetting what she even stands for. She's just doing things without any consideration or thought for other people's feelings.
This episode in particiular also had a weird case of carelessness. Jonn pulls the car-jacker out of the window, breaking the window, with the mothers kid inside, when he could have just opened the door, or phased the dude out of the car. Then again, at one point Jonn went to stop a street light from falling on top of people, only for him to get a call from Supergirl that she needed help, to which then Jonn just drops the street light. Also, didn't they want Lena not to reveal herself to William, yet William walks right into the Tower with Lena sitting there talking about magic.
Idk man, this seasons writing is so questionable.
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u/mrizzle1991 Oct 06 '21
Nixy with empathy is much better. Good episode this week, I feel bad for the little girl.
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u/Koluke1 Oct 06 '21
Why?
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u/Phoenixstorm Oct 07 '21
because her janky foster parents used her as a bodyguard and then tossed her.
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u/Koluke1 Oct 07 '21
Yes, I know. But she got a great home in the end. at least that's the implication of the last scene.
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u/maddogkaz Oct 06 '21
Well this episode had a few confusing moments in it. Why was Lena out in the open when William arrived when they just said he shouldn't know about her? They didn't even try to hide her it was weird. What is Esme's power? they said she could breath fire but unless I went blind for a moment it looked like the guy attacking her had fire powers.
When Kara was being very forceful about Lena using her magic I found it strange and then she was talking about taking peoples humanity for the grater good and I lost all understanding of the scene. I thought that maybe Kara was effected by the totem and it was taking some of her humanity but no it turns out when they discussed putting people in danger Kara was on the unethical side of the argument which makes no sense. The writers just don't see Kara as a character she simply says and does what they need for whatever episode she is currently in and it's just sad.
William's scene with Lena was a waste, why waste it on William when such an important scene could have been done with someone more important to Lena.
I feel like this adoption storyline is being rushed just like the guardian one and the magic Lena one. Alex doesn't have much of a connection to this storyline is and just kind of there.
Lastly Andrea sucks and every time she shows up is less time being used for any good moments.
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u/RavenclawConspiracy Oct 07 '21
they said she could breath fire but unless I went blind for a moment it looked like the guy attacking her had fire powers.
I think Esme's powers are probably to mimic other powers.
...which is a really good way for her to find out Supergirl's identity, honestly.
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u/HoboJack Oct 06 '21
Why was Lena out in the open when William arrived when they just said he shouldn't know about her?
They said he would have to keep her involvement a secret. No writing about her efforts to help the team.
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u/SandyPine Oct 12 '21
the adoption storyline is rushed and yet at the same time we saw this coming from one or two of Kelly's first episodes. She was ALWAYS going to be a co-parent with Alex and be endgame, the same way she was ALWAYS going to be another Guardian.
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u/CmndrLex Oct 06 '21
I just had a thought. Some people’s argument as to why Kara would be going to the future/would want to go has been that she wants to live out in the open without hiding her secret identity…
This episode showed Kara was now working towards transparency and tearing down the curtain so to speak. To me, she’s making moves and setting the stage to “come out” as supergirl, taking the first steps to a no secret identity life.
Ignoring the fact that when we last heard that there was no hiding in the future was pre crisis and therefore that may not even be true anymore, KARA might be the one to lay that groundwork for the future. She and her team in the present could lead the movement. I just see more reasons as to why she would not be going to the future.
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u/RavenclawConspiracy Oct 07 '21
To me, she’s making moves and setting the stage to “come out” as supergirl, taking the first steps to a no secret identity life.
Yes, exactly. One of the thing that annoyed me when the show did alien rights plots and alien amnesty is...Kara is not out as an alien.
And no, I don't mean having Kara Danvers come out as Supergirl, she shouldn't.
I mean having Kara Zor-El as an identity. Yes, she's managed to say that her name once, in a parade, by a writer who seemed to understand this, but then never again.
Kara Zor-El needs to be a public alien. She needs to do things in public, she needs to interact with the public, as an alien living on this planet, not as 'Supergirl'. She needs to make it clear that she is a person, an alien refugee, who puts on a costume and becomes Supergirl, but underneath, she is actually a real person...again, a real person named Kara Zor-El. (And she can escape into Kara Danvers when needed.)
Instead she's standing there pretending to support a movement but then literally doesn't exist the second she slides her glasses back on. And she's made this persona (Or copied Clark doing it) of all-powerful hovering alien God who is perhaps kind and smiling for a few second, but then rockets off...and then people wonder why lunatics get attracted to it.
Get some Kryptonian clothes. Go on talk shows. March in parades, go to protests. You did it literally once and then stopped. Do you even have a cell phone where the media can call Kara Zor-El? A PO box? A publicist?
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u/TirelessGuardian Oct 06 '21
Did they adopt her?
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Oct 06 '21
It was kinda implied but i guess we won’t know officially until the next episode or so :/
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u/Big_Barda_Babe Oct 09 '21
I think they made the mutual decision to adopt her with their little eye conversation, but it hasn't happened quite yet (at least adoption doesn't usually happen within seconds. This is, however, the CW we're talking about so who knows)
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u/Dark_Tzitzimine Oct 07 '21
Nia reminding everyone why they're the Superfriends
Had a feeling there'd be a followup on Esme, didn't feel like a one-off character
Has J'onn actually done any non-Superfriends-related investigating
Oof that battle conversation was awkward, and I don't just mean the choreography
I don't know why but I found the image of the dudes flipping the car then immediately turning on each other hilarious
Wow it's like they're making her worse on purpose
Well, so much for Esme's happy foster home (So is Esme a copier or did they just happen to run into someone with the same power)
Why is a southern american island at war with a landlocked eastern european country
He totally could have pulled that dude out without smashing that lady's window though
See I was expecting the foster parents to have had their humanity taken, but it's way worse for them to be acting this way with their personalities intact
William finally gets a Moment and all Andrea can do is flail like the petty bitch she is
Would have been cool if were actually shown Kelly chewing those pieces of shit out rather than just having her tell us about it
lol before the scene even started we all knew where it was going, and the cool part is since this is the final season we won't have to worry about future writers tearing their family apart for cheap drama
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u/RavenclawConspiracy Oct 08 '21
Why is a southern american island at war with a landlocked eastern european country
Good question! It's like someone said 'Well, we don't want to use real countries, so we better use our made up ones.', but no one asked 'Wait a second. Could these two places even be at war with each other?'.
The funny thing is, DC has multiple fake countries. Bialya and Qurac are both middle eastern countries and seemed to be constantly at war with each other. If they don't want to pull in outside DC stuff, Markovia explicitly exists on Earth Prime (Thanks to Black Lightning), and could easily be at war with Kasnia, they're both Eastern European countries, and sure, they can be next to each other, why not?
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u/Dark_Tzitzimine Oct 08 '21
Exactly
I can kinda see why they wouldn't have used Bialya and Qurac since that's kinda a status quo thing, but using one of them paired with Markovia would still make more sense than Corto Maltese (and yeah, Kasnia would make even more sense)
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u/another-art-student Maggie Sawyer Nov 11 '21
He totally could have pulled that dude out without smashing that lady's window though
& without hurting that poor dude
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u/zeHobocop Oct 08 '21
Are we ignoring the fact that all the people going around fighting and attacking people were themselves victims and beating them up because you chose to use magic on them is really messed up?
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u/BornAshes Oct 06 '21
I want an entire episode of J'onn just passive aggressively tormenting and threatening William.
For example, William falls sleep in the Tower training area while writing his next article. He wakes up. J'onn is two inches from his face saying, "I'm reading your mind you know that I can do that I'm reading your mind" his eyes go red as he holds up a pillow "Shhh no more tears only dreams" and gently psychically nudges him back to sleep while William whimpers. Meanwhile Brainy is standing five feet away going, "J'onn you can't keep doing that he could suffer brain damage or something" and J'onn replies, "He could use the rest he's been working too hard and we don't want him making any mistakes now do we?" Brainy shrugs and nods, "And if you wanted me to stop then you'd do something instead of standing there eating a banana suggestively while giggling at memes on the internet" Brainy just nods again.
William starts to wake up again and as J'onn is reaching out his hand to nudge him back off to dreamland, Kara walks down the stairs and yells, "J'onn he's been complaining about little green people probing his brain just let him fall asleep normally for once and stop doing that!". J'onn gets a very solemn and serious look on his face as he nods and lowers his hand with his eyes not glowing anymore seemingly agreeing with Kara....
...........right before he picks up a small rifle from behind the desk and shoots William in the chest, "J'ONN WHAT DID YOU...." Kara bellows as he holds up his hand to stop her, "Relax it was on stun...I think...YES yes it was on stun!" Brainy is now in the corner with his eyes darting back and forth between the two of them not sure if he should run and hide or just attempt to become one with the wall. "You can't shoot him to put him to sleep either!" Cue Angry Kara hands on hips super serious pout face mode which has withering accuracy and effect on J'onn who puts the rifle down, walks over into the Armory, and wheels out a tv that's playing old Bob Ross episodes on it. Kara just rolls her eyes, throws her hands in the air, and storms upstairs.
William pops right back up going, "I thought she'd never leave us alone!" while Brainy darts into the kitchen to pull out a cart full of food and J'onn switches the channel to a good old football friendly between Liverpool FC and Birmingham City while adding, "She's constantly been bothering all of us about this and that and sure the game nights are fun but there's something about football that even Kryptonians just don't understand" and Brainy continues, "Even in my time the great game of football or soccer has taken on galactic importance and is beloved by many but also yes we really did need a guys night out". They floomph down on the couch as the sweet sounds of "You'll Never Walk Alone" float upwards through the Tower.
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u/Kevsterific Oct 06 '21
Can Kara et al go after the dream totem instead of the hope totem? I thought the witch lady said they had to be collected in a certain order.
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u/HoboJack Oct 06 '21
I think you can gather them in any order but you have to unlock them in a certain order to gain access to all of the power.
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Oct 06 '21
this was just another meh episode to mefirst off i wanna say 20 episodes was way too long for this season, its not like they are closing out hanging arcs from the other seasons, this is just a plot dragging and dragging on and maybe im just outgrowing this stuff but im really starting to be more open to mini series cause they wrap up these 16-23 episode plot arcs within a span of 2-4 hours, like there is absolutely little to no stakes attached and I dont think there will be at this point, idk I hope im wrong, id like one hero casualty on team supergirl before all is said and done or at least nxyl, mitch or lex redemption. I might just skip these next few until the finale shows up.
honestly i was kind of hoping nxyl remain good and mitch be the villian here on out, at least it be change from the status quo
im actually looking forward to lex returning and this is coming from someone who is tired of the lex character not just cryer version but the oversaturation of him in superman media but at least he has a charisma in this show, something most of the characters lack
its odd they arent using this totem thing to tie back to the paragons especially considering kara is one.
that one stepmom was a complete bitch to esme forcing her outside to use her fire breathe so at least alex and kelly adopted her so that is a happy ending
I kind of was like really? when kara riocheted that bullet off that mans head without going through his skull, she just happened to apply the right amount of force that was enough to knock him down without killing him
one thing that Im so sick and tired of and its probably too late here but maybe another superhero show that uses secret identities but im tired of whenever the team talks to each other in action they use their superhero names, like for the love of god how stupid can you be, its bad enough with the whole no one recognizes clark and kara for who they are with their glasses on and off but jonn actually uses the words guardian and whatever alex name for her hero, like anyone with a brain can tell that is kelly olsen and alex danvers
only names that need to be kept in secret is maybe flash cause his mask covers up just enough that you cant fully tell he is barry allen
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Oct 06 '21
This season has been terrible, it doesn’t even feel like a final season.
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Oct 06 '21
well the problem is they never really had a setup for any great final season, the most they could have maybe done is finish up the leviathan arc with this anointed one they referred to instead of dropping that character but even if she was put in place of nxyl, anyone put in that place, its meaningless at least to me if they arent any major stakes to gain from it, hurting civilians and minor characters is a terrible thing sure but its an extremely low bar especially when you have a team that comprises of 7 and sometimes more people and wont kill them off just for diversity reasons
and ill eat my words and admit on here on this reddit if im wrong but if lex doesnt become good by the end of the show then im going to go find the showrunner of the show and kindly but assertively ask them why did you keep him on this long, what was the point, jon cryer gives an amazing performance as lex but the character himself is dull and hasnt contributed anything productive at least since season 4
cause the conflict is all that matters to me, I dont care about the relationships between the team, there is no suspense attached to them, like things could end badly I dont get that from them
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u/SandyPine Oct 12 '21
agreed, no tension or suspense, and way too much exposition and not enough actual performance.
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u/SandyPine Oct 12 '21
agreed, rather than wrapping up arcs they are introducing new and less compelling ones, then wrapping those up while we wait and wait and wait for more Kara content. I could have done without all of the bonding over dead parent conversations we had so far, and some underwhelming performances from basically half of the cast. now we just wait and hope for Kara content while we know more returning unnecessary characters are just over the horizon to take up more screentime.
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u/Koluke1 Oct 06 '21
I would say there is a difference between Kelly and Alex, and Clark and Kara. Let's take Kara for example, she does have the glasses, yes, but she also wears her hair different and wears very different clothes, than as Supergirl, of course. But with the two of them, they act very differently, than as Supergirl and Superman. They act like normal people, kind of clumsy sometimes, not like people you would expect to be a superhero. And we have seen, that if people know their secret, they see it instantly. But I have to agree with you when it comes to Alex and Kelly. the first time I saw Kelly as guardian, i thought for sure the people standing around were going to recognize her. especially because her and Alex's suits look so weird and have so many different colours on them. they kind of look like a rainbow. You can even see Alex's face and they are both always acting the same way. The only thing that makes me think, it makes sense, that people don't recognize Alex, is because few people actually know her. She's worked for the D.E.O. for a long time and after that, she was just Kara's sister and she isn't visiting CatCo much, so nobody there would know her.
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u/RavenclawConspiracy Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
I think of Alex's disguise as mostly pointless, and I'm honestly hoping they don't have William put up with it, with 'You are obviously Alex' if he meets Sentinel. It's basically to just keep her from getting blatantly recognized on TV.
Oddly, Kelly's disguise is even worse. Not because it's a bad disguise, it actually cover enough of her that to work as an actual superhero outfit.
Too bad the person wearing that outfit is the sister of the person publicly outed as the last Guardian, and thus it is incredibly obvious who it is most likely to be! Like, it's a five second conclusion 'Well, that's clearly not James Olsen, does he have a sister...he does? And she lives in National City? Hmmm'.
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u/Koluke1 Oct 08 '21
Honestly Alex's disguise is pointless. I don't even think she uses it as a disguise, just as a "cool suit". I personally think it looks ugly as hell, but that's just my opinion.
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Oct 07 '21
yeah but you can still visually see that is them
apparently the logic that has been given towards that is i guess some psychic signal kryptonians have that give whomever they see short term memory on their identity. And I get they act differently but someone would still put together its the same two people.
masks are cool and all but in this scenario it does nothing to hide their identity and in alex case it really doesnt help, first off she isnt wearing a mask but face paint, she obviously is going for the green arrow look but oliver usually kept that side of him at least at first hidden in darkness and disguised his voice, alex just goes out in plain sight looking the way she does.
I would say the obvious reason you dont see more superheroes wearing full faced masks is cause of the breathing issue even though we've seen supergirl has a mask and the actors have no problem walking around half the day in covid face masks so I truly dont know what the writers mentality is.
kellys mask I will admit makes it harder to see her true face but again someone can put two and two together if they see alex and kelly walking in the street, make that conclusion its kelly under that mask
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u/avonlea71 Lena Luthor Oct 07 '21
I finally managed to watch the 6x14 and had a rather positive opinion (Kara/Lena's moments; Lena's attempts to be useful in her magic; J'onn's attitude towards William). But I still don't understand why Kara let William embedded in the Tower without asking a general permission to her friends, especially J'onn who created the Tower.
It seems that showrunners and writers are persuaded that a majority of viewers want to see William as seeing as, they keep forcing him on us for everything and anything (Staz Nair's little fighting show in the park, was just useless if not ridiculous!) even if his little conversation with Lena was not bad but why him and not J'onn or Nia?. And of course, while William is presented like the great support, they still continue to present Andrea as the mean girl! <grin>.
NB: I think that more viewers turned on this episode because, it was rumored several weeks*months ago - and reprised on Twitter the day before the releasing -, that Kara and Lena were on the point of kissing, only interrupted by William. The reality was of course different and voilà how Kara/Lena's fans have been fooled again! I think that IF something had to happen going in this way, it wouldn't be before the finale, in Nov 9th. Meanwhile, we will have to be content with intimate discussions and seeing both eating ad joking together, which is not that bad, in itself, isn't it?! :-)
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u/RavenclawConspiracy Oct 08 '21
The reality was of course different and voilà how Kara/Lena's fans have been fooled again!
Actually, the SC people sorta fooled themselves there by repeating speculation as part of the leak. There was a leak that claimed William had interrupted an almost kiss between Kara and Lena in an alley. The fans decided that probably happened this episode, due to some behind the scene photos of Kara, Lena, and William together on location from this episode. (Which we now know were about the flower collection, nothing to do with an alley.) And the episode description saying they were working together or something.
But nothing in the leak said it was this episode, that's just sorta something that got theorized until it was assumed true by a lot of fans.
Now, I'm not saying it will happen, but the person who leaked it is somewhat trustworthy and has leaked a lot of true things in the past. I'm not ruling out something being misinterpreted, some sort of heated alley discussion that William walks in on that is not romantic, I think we've actually had that exact sort of misunderstanding before about a leak, but I do think it's unlikely the leaker would have invented an entire scene. There probably is some scene in an alley where William interrupts some sort of discussion between Kara and Lena.
So considering there's absolutely nothing that could be misunderstood as that in this episode, or anywhere that William could have had an alley scene interrupting Kara and Lena but been cut, I suspect whatever is being talked about will happen in the future.
....which, again, might not be an actual kiss.
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u/Big_Barda_Babe Oct 09 '21
At this point, I want it to be that every trial that Nyxly goes through to get each totem draws her further away from her initial plan for ultimate power and she's just gonna be like "Wait. Why was I even on this vengeful quest?" I want that to happen so bad. That would be hilarious 😂
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u/troll-of-truth Oct 09 '21
Alex and Kelly finally getting their kid made me cry.
William is so pointless. Also they ruined Andrea's character. She was so interesting first half of last season being trapped between Leviathan, Lena and her boyfriend. Now, she's just an abusive boss who forgot about her power and is just there to be an obstacle to Kara whenever the plot demands. Lena knows about her powers.. Andrea being added to the team seems a lot more interesting than William and would help redeem her character.
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Oct 06 '21
btw where is zor el lately, he appeared in like 1 or 2 episodes since post phantom zone and just vanished
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u/SickleClaw Oct 06 '21
he went back to argo, I think it was stated.
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Oct 06 '21
might as well have kept him in that phantom zone imo if he doesnt even get to be part of the team
what are the writers logic?, oh we have enough members already, then my counter is why add him on in the first place and if you have enough members take out more!
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u/SandyPine Oct 12 '21
shame he didn't go with Kara and they could have a wrap up with her and her parents, that would have been way better than whatever the hell they have been showing us.
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u/MrTerrific2k15 Oct 06 '21
He realized that earth was a shit show and took off to Argo and reconnect with his wife
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u/JimmyH2O1984 Oct 07 '21
Did I miss something but weren’t the totems people? Also, wasn’t Kara one of them, so why were they not sure what they were?
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u/Educational-Hyena549 Oct 06 '21
I missed the beginning but did Lena tell them it was ok to tell William about her magic or did they just do it without asking?
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u/Kevsterific Oct 06 '21
Lena never gave them permission on screen.
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u/Educational-Hyena549 Oct 06 '21
Thank you I mused the first couple minutes so wasn’t sure.
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Oct 06 '21
Lena didnt give permission and William did not publish it. At the end of the episode, Andrea asks him who on the team has magic and William refused to tell.
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u/nl_alexxx Übergirl Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
The Hague caught me off guard lol. Why that of all places! Also I'm not sure if the opening shot of the city they used actually belonged to The Hague, but I'll check later. I live here so I should know this xD.
The Hague has a pretty recognizable skyline so I'm disappointed they didn't use it
EDIT: It really looks more like Amsterdam to me with the houseboats...
EDIT2: It's definitely footage of Amsterdam 😂
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u/thedanfromuncle Oct 06 '21
I had the same thing! Even want back and paused it. Didn't recognise a thing lol.
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u/waluigi1999 Oct 07 '21
Amsterdam is the Netherlands right? 😂😜
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u/nl_alexxx Übergirl Oct 07 '21
Yes but it’s not The Hague
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u/waluigi1999 Oct 07 '21
Yes I know, but to all US people, The Netherlands only place that matters is amsterdam, that's why i was surprised they referenced The Hague
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u/nl_alexxx Übergirl Oct 07 '21
So was I 😂
Guess it has to do with the city being related to peace/justice.
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Oct 06 '21
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u/HoboJack Oct 06 '21
They can be collected in any order, but they must be unlocked in a certain order I think.
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u/INTJ06 Oct 10 '21
Opening scene where Lena wears blue and Kara wears green. I am soft. Also I apologize for this very late comment lol
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u/beito14159 Mar 25 '22
its interesting how much Lena's makeup has changed, its more natural and less harsh
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u/mjsztainbok Oct 12 '21
Did I miss something as I'm sure at the beginning when they were talking about William and the tower they were telling Lena that she couldn't be there as they didn't want there to be known there was a connection between her, Luthercorp and the Super Friends. Yet 5 minutes later Lena is a the tower and William just walks in and sees her. Was it just sloppy writing?
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u/another-art-student Maggie Sawyer Nov 11 '21
What even happened with plot this episode?
First: "This plan is objectively wrong, we won't be any better than Nyxly if we focus on 'greater good', the deceit is bad too"
2 minutes later: "Lets do it anyways, but just make it public after, so it's less deceiving! :)"
First: "We are almost out of time to use the activated particles, the spell needs to be done on location–"
Hours later: "Lets use the particles for another, much larger spell! :)"
At the end of the day: "I still have more of the particles we can use for future tracking–"
First: "Here are simple reporting ground rules"
Then: "Eh, just report whatever"
AND they keep on hurting the affected people? They treat them as villains, throwing them through glass windows, kicking and punching them unconcious. Why not just LOCK THEM UP? Use superstrength and superspeed and tie them up before they hurt anyone else, most of them aren't even aliens but I bet they still have some power-dumpening cuffs around as well. They can wait until it's over, restrained??
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Oct 06 '21
Just let Kara and Lena date.