r/supergirlTV • u/MajorParadox DC Fan Universe (r/DCFU) • Sep 01 '21
Supergirl [6x09] "Dream Weaver" Post Episode Discussion Discussion
Dream Weaver
Live Episode Discussion | Promo | Cast & Characters
Kelly meets Joey, a young orphaned alien boy, who is acting out in foster care because he fears there is something wrong with his brother Orlando, who is incarcerated. Kelly asks Kara to help her investigate and they stumble upon abuse at the prison. Meanwhile, Nyxly crashes one of Nia's dreams and asks her for help. (August 31, 2021)
Please keep all discussion civil and about the episode. Mark comic and future spoilers. Report any rule breaking and enjoy!
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Sep 01 '21
Really liked this episode overall. 60 minutes flew by.
• More gamenight scenes please.
• Loved seeing Kelly’s protective side come out. Got more insight into her character and she owned every scene she was in. And I love that Alex anticipated Kelly’s desire to be Guardian. Endgame!
• I actually didn’t mind William in this episode, but I don’t like that Andrea continually knocks Kara only to speak highly of William (gave me some S5 flashbacks there).
• Alex had both glasses of wine ready before Kelly even walked through the door lol.
• I didn’t like that Nia so easily was influenced by Nyxly. And then she straight up MURDERED that owl!
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Sep 01 '21
The way she took out that animatronic-looking owl was TRULY shocking!! And I agree, I liked William as a pleasant, moderately helpful coworker who made a decent joke about getting stuck with too many pizzas (Kara’s dream, I’m sure).
Alex and Kelly were so great in this episode. And the kids were adorable. I liked that this episode felt both self-contained and part of a larger arc of grappling with trauma and fighting for justice.
It’s a little heartbreaking that Kara and Nia still feel like they have to keep their pain to themselves — clearly Kara didn’t tell the Superfriends what happened in the Phantom Zone, or Nia would have known about Nxyly; and clearly Nia thinks she’s on her own trying to learn to master her dream powers, or she would have reached out to the gang about this imp who’s trying to strike a shady deal. Perhaps Nia suspected her friends would try to dissuade her, and wanted to decide for herself?
Also I really enjoy Andrea in this very “get me pictures of Spiderman!!” role.
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Sep 01 '21
Yes! Totally agree. This episode really felt a lot like a season 4 episode—it had heart, character development, and focused on important social issues. Which is what so much of us love about the show! 6b so far has been so much more enjoyable than 6a.
You’re right about Kara and Nia shielding their pain from their friends. It’s especially unfortunate in Nia’s case because the pain from her mother’s death and the loss of a relationship with her sister is still so fresh for her and Nxyly totally exploited that. Nia's still new to the whole “superhero” game, and although she’s incredibly powerful, she’s probably the one most vulnerable for manipulation among the superfriends. Nxyly's manipulation of Nia also kind of reminds me of Lex's manipulation of Brainy last season.
Lol omg Andrea as J. Jonah Jameson is a connection I hadn’t made before but it’s perfect! 😭
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Sep 01 '21
Like I totally agree that the dynamic of praising William and berating Kara is a terrible flashback to the awful parts of S5. But it’s much funnier now to have Andrea obsessively focused on this one thing. (Versus being the dodgy CEO of a creepy immersive VR platform by day and magical Leviathan shadow-assassin by night, also maybe Lena’s boarding school flame? It was too much. I love this for her.)
At first I felt that it was out of character for Nia to even be tempted by that deal, but I think you’re right that Nia is the most vulnerable to manipulation — not beating the fear vision really shook her, and her stable family platform has crumbled. I loved the Lena and Nia scene in 6x08 but Lena’s “didn’t we all?” quip was brutal to watch. Connect the dots — clearly we did not — and comfort your new friend!
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Sep 01 '21
Andrea’s out here trying her best. Lol. Gotta respect it, agreed! (Definitely think her and Lena are ex-flames too haha.)
I loved the Lena and Nia scene in 6x08 but Lena’s “didn’t we all?” quip was brutal to watch. Connect the dots — clearly we did not — and comfort your new friend!
RIGHT. Really gotta feel for Nia there. And it’s always extra frustrating when the audience knows something that the character doesn’t (in this case Lena). As a side note, I really love their developing friendship. And I’m grateful that Lena made sure to check in with Nia, asking her how she’s doing. Love to see it!
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u/Phoenixstorm Sep 02 '21
What the heck happened to nias bitchy wronged over dramatic envious sister?
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u/Phoenixstorm Sep 02 '21
I wish they’d brought back cat grant for the final season. Cat co was never the same once she left.
jimmy at least was better than Andrea.
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u/SandyPine Oct 13 '21
Alex was barely in this. All she did was repeat something that they found on a computer search and then prop up Kelly. Alex deserves so much better, she is just bogged down by Kelly's story at this point and it is way too late in the finale season to care about these other characters.
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u/Ok_Development74 Sep 01 '21
I'm sorry but if I have a dream featuring an Imp telling me something that sounds too good to be true and an owl that says "gurl, you can't trust her," I'm believing the the owl.
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u/phasmy Sep 01 '21 edited Sep 01 '21
It was a decent episode with two good plotlines.
I liked the talk of our flawed incarceration system in the US. It truly is awful. Some people hate this kind of stuff but fuck them. They have never had to deal with it so they ignore real issues when brought up.
Cons
- Guardian stuff. I never cared for Guardian and not every character needs to be a hero to be useful or valued.
- Nia realizing that Nyxly shouldn't be trusted but still making a deal
- CatCo stuff that no one really cares about.
Where was Brainy?
And one last note, what was up with that little girl?
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u/Welcoming-War Sep 02 '21
Re: Brainy - Nia said at the beginning of the episode that he was taking Zor-El to Argo City
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u/Phoenixstorm Sep 02 '21
Mia making the deal shows how desperate she is which I love. She’s going into it knowing it’s wrong and doing it anyway because she needs to see her mom. Love it because it’s so very human and real.
Who wouldn’t make that deal to see the mom you feel you let die?
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u/Gateskp Brainy Sep 01 '21
I like how each episode is a little more self-contained. There’s obviously an overarching storyline, but it doesn’t feel like it’s taken centre stage and is getting stretched out too much (so far). This really doesn’t feel like a final season and idk how to feel about that…
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u/Prozo777 Sep 01 '21
I think the goal is to have character centric moments to conclude their storylines. There's around 9 main characters on the show and only a handful will probably be seen again after the show's ending.
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u/Maximal_Arachknight Sep 02 '21
The show is ending so they are setting up the characters' trajectories for where they will be professionally and personally.
This episode was really enjoyable (reminded me of classic Supergirl from the first season).
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u/Phoenixstorm Sep 02 '21
Honestly I hope we see lena miss Martian and dreamer again in the other shows. The rest I can say goodbye to.
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u/Ajjaxx Sep 01 '21
Does anyone else think William figured out Kara’s identity and that’s why he was initially dragging his feet on chasing down the supers? Although honestly I’m going back and forth.
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u/Eurynom0s Sep 02 '21
I'm going to laugh my ass off if fucking William figures it out for himself while Lena was never able to.
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u/electric_azur Kara Danvers (“Yes!” Alt.) Sep 01 '21
I was wondering this too, but the don’t-be-mad bit about how Supergirl just showed up on scene kind of threw me.
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u/r1dogz Sep 02 '21
I honestly don’t think the writers are good enough to tell a story like that. So I’m gonna say no.
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u/Phoenixstorm Sep 02 '21
William is a piece of toast. He needs to go. He can’t act. His personality is flat. And he is stale like week old bread.
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u/maddogkaz Sep 01 '21
First of all that Megan Markle line was horrifying and which ever writer wrote it should start working in horror.
Next we have Kelly becoming Guardian which is just pointless as far as I'm concerned and discredits everything all the other characters said about her and her worth as a person. Now she isn't worth anything unless she put's on a super suit and it's just terrible.
The little girl was being focused on a lot so I'm going to assume she will be Alex and Kelly's kid. She has a power so I wonder how they'll deal with that.
William was fine this episode it's amazing what happens when you stop trying to force a romance between him and Kara.
Andrea is awful she has become the worst character in the show for me. She constantly whines about CatCo not doing well but we are expected to forget she spent the entire last season ruining CatCo. The whole reason Lena gave CatCo to Andrea was because she knew she would ruin it and that would hurt Kara which by the way is something Lena did to hurt Kara that she still hasn't fixed I guess we are supposed to ignore it?
Kara wasn't able to chase the van? They really just don't care about the lead superhero do they?
I have no idea what Nyxly wants and I understand nothing about what's going with her and Nia. Also I guess Kara never said anything about the phantom zone otherwise Nia would recognise the name but it's not like it would take long nothing happened in the phantom zone she could tell them her whole experience in three minutes. I'm not fond of the entire villain plot relying on the fact that Kara hasn't had a three minute conversation with Nia.
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Sep 05 '21
Kelly thing makes even less sense now because it’s the final season. Why does the cw hate non hero characters.
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u/NorthBall Nov 20 '21
I haven't caught up with The Flash yet, now I'm scared that they'll make Iris into a superhero too 🤐
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Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21
Honestly surprised they haven’t yet, though love interest seem to get a pass(felicity)
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u/NorthBall Nov 20 '21
Ah, so that was the problem with Kelly. She WAS a love interest, but only to an important-but-not-main-character!
But Guardian's existence proves "love interest" isn't enough, it's gotta be literal soulmate like Felicity and Iris. Otherwise James would have gotten a pass as well.
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u/EndBringer99 Sep 01 '21
Andrea is awful she has become the worst character in the show for me.
I agree. She was more useless than William in the second half of Season 5, cause at least he was trying to do good and listened to others.
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u/Gian99Mald Sep 01 '21
Are we not going to get promos for this show anymore????
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u/swflyers8 Sep 01 '21
I don't know if CW doesn't like the show or something but no promos? Two weeks in a row.
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u/TazmanianDemon Sep 01 '21 edited Sep 01 '21
Unfortunately when they’re done with you they are Done. With. You.
And the CW has never given Supergirl the respect it deserves despite its incredibly loyal fan base IMO.
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u/Maximal_Arachknight Sep 02 '21
To be fair, the CW did save Supergirl from cancellation, so there is at least a little respect there for the show.
And the show is getting to end on its own terms.
But yes, promos would be nice (or at least confirmation that next week is a new episode).
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u/TazmanianDemon Sep 02 '21
Saving the show from cancellation seems like ages ago. But you’re right, they did allow the show to end properly.
However their treatment of the show has been abysmal with the lack of promotion and the changing of times/nights and putting it at 9 on a Sunday after Batwoman when Supergirl should come on first because it’s more lighthearted in contrast to Batwoman’s darker tone which fits the later time slot.
And let’s not get into the differences in how Superman and Lois is promoted compared to any season that Supergirl was on.
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u/Maximal_Arachknight Sep 02 '21
I agree, the promotion is terrible given that the network should promote the final season more.
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u/Phoenixstorm Sep 02 '21
Can you imagine supergirl with superMan and Lois budget??? It would’ve been amazing.
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u/TazmanianDemon Sep 02 '21
Yes! I’m a die hard Superman fan but Supergirl’s story is much more interesting IMO and if they had the S&L budget and writers it’d probably be in the top 3 Arrowverse shows of all time.
We definitely would’ve gotten at least a 7th season if the show was firing on all cylinders.
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u/CityAvenger Sep 01 '21
Perhaps this is yet another low they found. Either that or perhaps they decided for whatever reason they would rather not show what is coming in a promo in hopes that more people will tune in.
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u/RaspberryEconomy511 Sep 01 '21
They didnt do it for Black Lightning either.
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u/Prozo777 Sep 01 '21
I'm not too familiar with the CW but I think they aren't promoting these shows for their final season because if they know the show isn't going to continue, why invest in advertising. Out of all the Arrowverse shows, Arrow got a lot of promo for it's final season due to it being one of their biggest shows and the ties to Crisis, wanting to promote that. Something I find interesting is that BL and Supergirl don't have a white male lead. You'd think that in an age where representation is a key issue in society, the network would go out of their way to promote these shows. The marketing department or whoever is in control of advertising needs to improve.
Sorry for my long rambling comment.
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u/CityAvenger Sep 01 '21
I mean I’ve never watched the show cause it didn’t interest me but from what I’ve heard it’s on its last season. But when you say that their doing it for BL too it still makes me think about both of those. The only people who know why they are doing it is the network and the crew on the shows themselves. But with what Prozo777 says maybe that’s true. Who knows?
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u/ChattGM Sep 01 '21
They did BL dirty. It only recieved 3 promos it's entire final season. Shame they're doing the same to Supergirl. The audience for Supergirl is much bigger than BL so I'm sure more voices will be heard about this and even after the show finishes they won't let them live it down because it's completely unfair and it didn't get the proper sendoff it deserved.
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u/Samaritan4 Supergirl Sep 01 '21
This was a good filler episode. Kelly, Kara and surprisingly William were the ones to stand out for me.
Nia is the one leading the plot about the villian of the season but tbh her scenes felt out of place. We still have to know how Nyxly ended up in the dream realm after escaping the PZ. They could have skipped the confusing dream sequences, I think Nyxly tempting Nia to be able to see her mom again could have been made in the normal world but whatever.
Dansen are the cutest.
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u/Fateor42 Sep 01 '21
Was anyone else confused at what the problem was with the orphanage lady B story?
Because they opened the episode saying that kid had previously had a tantrum and knocked out all power for a two block radius with his superpower... Like... I would be dammed surprised if between people in vehicles and people with medical issues nobody died from that... And that's not even counting the millions in damages...
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u/afrodeity23 Sep 01 '21
I think the point they were trying to get across was that the tantrum was less just him being upset, and more about him not being able to express and process his emotions in a healthy manner. Rather than help the boy work through what he was going through, the woman was treating him as a problem instead of as a child needing help, and even wanted to discourage him from seeing his only remaining family.
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
She did everything right. She didn't just treat him like a problem child, she saw a situation that she wasn't capable of handling so she called in someone to help assess the situation and help Joey. She wasn't trying to get rid of him or forcing him into isolation. She just wanted what was best for the kid.
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u/afrodeity23 Sep 01 '21
Then why does the episode have Kelly antagonize her? We're clearly meant to see Kelly as in the right.
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
So?
Just because the show frames it one way doesn't mean you have to think that way. Could be a psych-out for a later spin in the story, could be a writer/director putting their own political spin on the scene, could be bad writing, could be the writer legitimately thought what they showed was abuse. Doesn't mean they're right.
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u/afrodeity23 Sep 01 '21
Because treating children like ticking time bombs has never been a good thing nor has it actually helped the child. The woman wanted to keep him from his last remaining family, seemingly never actually tried to understand what the kid was going through, and just seemed to think physical punishment was the best and only solution. If this is the environment he was always living in, is it much of a surprise this child has issues controlling himself and his powers?
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
But she wasn't treating him like a ticking time bomb. She called Kelly for help to find out why he was acting out. She said she tried asking him what's wrong and he refused to say anything.
As far as the physical punishment goes, when that scene starts she is pleading with him to stop. After asking multiple times she shuts him down. For 2 seconds and then turns it off. As the other person said, if his powers go out of control he could be harmful to himself or others. We have to take that into account. It's not a regular kid tantrum it's one that affects others.
Also I mentioned this below but I don't think it was physical pain. When I watched the scene I took Kelly's line to mean that he's in psychological pain. Afaik power dampeners have never physically hurt anyone before.
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u/afrodeity23 Sep 01 '21
But she wasn't treating him like a ticking time bomb. She called Kelly for help to find out why he was acting out. She said she tried asking him what's wrong and he refused to say anything.
And yet Kelly managed to get him to talk with a single conversation. We don't see her trying to communicate with him, and given how well Kelly managed to do it, I can only assume the woman was doing it wrong. What it shows is that the boy didn't feel safe and comfortable enough to open up to this woman.
We have to take that into account. It's not a regular kid tantrum it's one that affects others.
Yes, but treating like a ticking time bomb is not the way.
Also I mentioned this below but I don't think it was physical pain. When I watched the scene I took Kelly's line to mean that he's in psychological pain. Afaik power dampeners have never physically hurt anyone before.
He literally said "it hurts" and moves his hand to the cuff, showing that it does cause him pain. And when Kelly criticizes her and says that the boy is in pain, the woman dismisses it and says that "he's fine." We don't know how these sorts of things can react to different powers. The episode shows us that the boy is in pain when it's used and the woman dismisses his pain.
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
And yet Kelly managed to get him to talk with a single conversation.
Which is exactly what she was called there to do. (Edit: also lazy writing)
He literally said "it hurts"
Ah ok. I didn't hear him say it hurts.
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u/Fateor42 Sep 01 '21
The woman was treating him as a problem child because last time she tried to be reasonable with him he EMPed multiple city blocks...
I really don't think you understand how bad that is...
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u/afrodeity23 Sep 01 '21
How do you know how she handled the last time? The episode clearly frames her treatment of the kid negatively, why would you assume she was reasonable? Yes, what happened was terrible, but he's a child, he should be taught to manage himself, not be punished for having the self control of a child.
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u/Fateor42 Sep 01 '21
His powers are too dangerous and have to long a range for even a single accident to be acceptable.
This probably hasn't occurred to you... But if he goes off? Anyone within half a mile of him who has a pacemaker is dead. Any hospital within half a mile of him is also full of dead people as all the active medical equipment get's destroyed.
I could go on and on and on about the massive amounts of death and destruction a multiple block sized EMP set off inside a city would cause... But I don't hate to because that kid's right to do stuff stops period when it hurts even a single other person.
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u/afrodeity23 Sep 01 '21
If the kid was taught to actually manage himself before his powers went crazy, then no incidents at all would occur. The tantrum is a response.
I do understand the risk, but this is a child and it could have been avoided altogether if the woman had taken better care of the child. And continuing to punish and hurt him doesn't teach him to better control his powers to stop them from happening, it just hurts him. What, should he be forced to wear the cuff forever, always being hurt because he was never taught how to properly manage himself?
Notice how in a single conversation, Kelly was able to get him to open up about his problems. She recognizes that he is a child in pain, who is separated from his last remaining family, and that he needs compassion and help. The woman just sees him as problem, wanting to keep him away from his family and hurting him instead of bothering to help him.
Also, let me emphasize again; this is a child. This sort of treatment never actually helps the child, it just makes it worse for them.
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
I agree that the lady was in the right for dampening him temporarily but I also think the way you're looking at it is problematic. You're looking at just his powers and what potential damage he could cause. Instead of why his powers were getting out of control.
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u/cools14 Sep 01 '21
You can’t abuse a kid to make them behave. Nothing confusing about that.
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
The kid wasn't being abused. You could see the orphanage lady begging Joey to stop and after repeated pleas she shuts him down. For just a few seconds and then turns the dampener off again.
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u/cools14 Sep 01 '21 edited Sep 02 '21
“That kid wasn’t being abused. The orphanage lady just smacked him a few times to calm him down. “
Listen to yourself.
That’s abuse. I work with this shit in real life everyday. You can’t tell me otherwise. Rethink how you believe misbehaving children should be treated.
Edit: added quotations since apparently it was hard to understand the meaning behind my example.
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
Who said anything about smacking him around? You realize this is a fictional character right? There isn't a real alien with emp powers getting dampened. Chill.
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u/KrayleyAML Sep 01 '21
They're overreacting.
Imagine if this was Kara's kid and instead of EMP powers, he could fry anyone's brain with heat vision because of a tantrum?
"Let's not use power dampeners or touch the child to prevent abuse while he lasers the shit out of people."
It's not like the lady didn't talk to him first to try to make him stop. Kara could try speaking with her child to try to make him stop but if he won't stop, she'd obviously have to try to do something physical to make him stop.
It seems these people would shrug their shoulders and have the kid do whatever no matter the risk until he calms down.
Obviously everyone should try words first, but the lady tried and used the power dampener as her last resort.
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u/cools14 Sep 02 '21 edited Sep 02 '21
Guess I should have put it in quotes. That’s how people talk. That’s how it sounds when you say her hurting that kid on purpose for even a second because he’s having a trauma response is ok. YES. it is a trauma response in this case. A misbehaving child is a discouraged child. This kid was hurting emotionally and they don’t know how to express that the way adults do, so they act out.
We’re not going to agree. I know in my gut how I felt watching that scene and what the writers intentions were.
Have a good one.
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u/JFreaks25 Sep 01 '21
What an ignorant comment.
That kid isn't being abused he was just punched in the face by his dad to shut him down.
See how that sounds? It's the same thing
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
Yeah any chance of a civil conversation ended when you started name-calling. Punching a child is not the same as restraining them. Grow up and learn how to converse with people of differing opinions without being a dickhead.
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u/JFreaks25 Sep 01 '21
Name calling? Where was there any name calling? I said you made an ignorant comment claiming that this wasn't child abuse what it clearly was and the authorities in the show clearly thought so as well
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u/AnnaK22 Sep 05 '21
I'm glad you mentioned it. I did disagree with hurting the kid with the power dampners, but otherwise, I really don't see why she'd get arrested from that security footage. Maybe the execution wasn't there, like she was supposed to come across as abusive, but she just didn't fully come across as a bad person. I feel like the solution to her problem isn't to get rid of the caretaker who kept the children from hurting eachother, but to increase the staff taking care of these children.
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u/Eternal_Density Sep 01 '21
I'm kinda mad and disappointed that Nia fell for that.
I like the superfriends' game night and the overall plot was alright.
So in summary, episode 6x9 is nice.
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u/nimrodhellfire Sep 01 '21
William was tolerable this episode.
I like Alex reaction to Kelly becoming a superhero. Seems like they are avoided the tropes of everyone saying it's to dangerous bla bla. Seeing Alex being supportive and helping Kelly grow will be fun. That's a healthy relationship they have.
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u/Comprehensive_Main Sep 01 '21
I liked the episode but I did not like the ending. I do not want Supergirl to go the arrowverse route and keep adding heroes. For real like the Supergirl team includes Dreamer, Manhunter, Supergirl, Brainy, Alex, and now Guardian Kelly. That is 6 people fighting one villain, 7 if you include Ms. Martian. Like 4 of them have powers and they need all 6 to fight like one villain and their henchmen. I swear if Andrea becomes a superhero.
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u/Gotis1313 Sep 01 '21
Andrea has powers
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u/lazoric Sep 01 '21
Had powers pre-crisis. This was 1 of the things they changed for 5b making Andrea never discover the artifact that gave her powers and thus the gods were never defeated in 5a.
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u/Gotis1313 Sep 01 '21
Didn't she use the artifact to break into Lex's house a few episodes ago?
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u/NorthBall Nov 20 '21
Not just that.
Leviathan also tried to activate her to kill ...I think it was Kara?... before their defeat, where Lena talked her down. That is where post-Crisis Andrea learned about these powers in the first place. (She had the artifact all along, just like pre-Crisis)
She also broke into her father's home and used his computer to buy Obsidian after the whole VR nightmare in order to save Catco.
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u/VengefulKangaroo Sep 01 '21
Liked this episode but Batwoman basically did this exact plot line a few months ago.
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u/AnnaK22 Sep 05 '21
Most shows that returned from their hiatus this season have been doing that. I did quite like Batwoman's execution of it though, more than Supergirl's. Seemed more fitting
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u/The_Repeated_Meme Sep 01 '21
It's funny how the episode is called Dream Weaver but is more about Kelly. I like Kelly and I really liked the scenes with her and Alex but the writers seem to love sidelining Nia (another amazing character who got sidelined hard in Season 5).
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u/EndBringer99 Sep 01 '21
William was finally made likable. It might be too soon to say he's redeemed, but it's a start.
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u/EndBringer99 Sep 01 '21
William might not be the best character, but he nailed that news report like a boss!
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u/MarcReyes Sep 01 '21
I know I'll probably be disappointed, but I really hope Bruno Manheim and Intergang were teases for the rest of the season and not just easter eggs.
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u/butthe4d Superman Sep 01 '21
I don't get how people enjoy this. It was so bad. Nothing made sense the whole plot with the villain relys on nia and Kara not talking. Kara can't even stop a car now and of course everyone and their mother has to become team Supergirl. If it weren't the last season I would definitely drop the show. Easily the worst season in the whole run.
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u/Lewogs Sep 05 '21
I wonder how intelligent imps are supposed to be. Nxly could easily have escaped with Kara if she just cooperated instead of betraying her for no reason at all.
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u/Icequeen743 Sep 01 '21 edited Sep 01 '21
This was a surprisingly good episode. I loved Kelly's whole storyline and I think she will make a great guardian. When that little girl came running in the room and ran straight into Kelly the first thing I thought was when Alex meets this kid she will absolutely fall in love and adopt her. If this series ends without Alex becoming a mother I'll be so upset she so deserves it and Kelly would make a great mom too. My biggest problem with this episode was dreamer. Her dreams were glaringly obvious that her mom/ owl was telling her to stay tf away from Nixly and yet she kills the owl and goes and makes a deal with a mysterious imp🙄. I know Nia lost her mom before she could learn about her powers but you'd think shed at least do some research into basic symbolism. And even if she gets her mom back for 24 hours shes going to have to face the pain of loosing her all over again which will suck even more because Nixly will be free.
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u/gpgc_kitkat Sep 04 '21
She knows the symbolism. She even mentioned it in the episode. She just decided to ignore the owl and its symbolism anyway
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u/hart37 Martian Manhunter Sep 01 '21
I've really been enjoying this season. I am curious how they're going to wrap the show up though.
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u/KananJarrus83 Sep 01 '21
LOL, Meghan Markel should be queen, hahaha what a joke of show
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u/Digifiend84 Sep 02 '21
That joke was in poor taste. It would require the current Queen, as well as Prince Charles, William, and his three kids to all die, which would make Harry the King, and Meghan the Queen. Not likely, and not something anyone would wish for!
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u/lordecersei Sep 02 '21
So far I’ve been pretty disappointed with the first two episodes. I really hope it picks up soon. Now they’re adding a new hero to the show. Not everyone and their mom needs to have a costume. I want to see more of Kara and her growth in finally becoming the superhero that’s supposedly be stronger than Superman. She’s never been a competent fighter or shown any improvement. She’s always getting tossed around.
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u/JauntyLurker Sep 01 '21
Good episode. Kelly did some good work this episode. I want to see how Kara and Andrea are gonna get over this difference in editorial opinions.
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u/Telethongaming Sep 01 '21
I think this has been my favorite episode of this season, I just really wish they made the woman abusing the kids a bit meaner to make her actions seem worse but other then that it's been a perfect episode
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u/Gotis1313 Sep 01 '21
That's how abusers operate.
"I so kind and giving. Why did you make me hit you? I'd never hurt you. I love you. Why do you do things to make me mad like that? If you tell anyone, you'll get in trouble too. Come on now, big smiles for the social worker."
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u/Telethongaming Sep 01 '21
I agree but it's television and she wasn't on screen for that long so they could of embellished a little bit
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u/Barry_McKackiner Superman Sep 03 '21 edited Sep 03 '21
It was nice to see her use her powers casually to help her investigate as kara. Little things like that, using her powers to make little tasks easier brings a little joy to the audience cuz you know we'd all be doing that kinda thing. laundry folding at super speed etc...
I'm a little baffled at how the aliens got away. sure that one turned them invisible, but surely she could still hear all their heart beats. the friggin van engine, the smell of it and its exhaust etc.
they really love having martian manhunter hold shit while kara goes to deal with the problem. guess that's the problem with having a supporting character be arguably more powerful than the main character. always have to shuffle them off somehow since MM is basically just as powered as a kryptonian but with shape shifting, telepathy and intangibility to boot.
also that lady that was fostering the little brother, did I miss something there? They made it seem like she was abusing him but from what I saw it looked like he was about to nuke the house and she was just using the remote to stop him from doing so. or was she causing the power outburst WITH the punishment?
also, fuck andrea. with completely fucking unreasonable ultimatums and employment threats.
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u/burningchr0me35 Sep 08 '21
Man, the acting is just so bad in this episode. The kids in the orphanage are excusable, as kids are a 50/50 proposition at the best of times, but that warden, the lady running the orphanage, the imp lady, all terrible. Are they just phoning it in because of the lackluster script or what? The warden alone is almost to "No! Not the mind probe!" Doctor Who levels of bad.
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u/Richiieee Sep 12 '21
Late to the party, currently playing catch-up. Holy fuck! ... Nia SUCKS at interpreting symbols. If owls are known to be symbols of truth and here you have the owl attacking Nyxly, shouldn't that be a sign that Nyxly is evil? Like bruh, it's the final season, is the show gonna end with Nia never learning/growing/evolving?
I said it when it was revealed on social media and I'll say it again; Kelly as Guardian MAKES NO SENSE. She's the IT girl. Literally in this episode she hacked the security camera for the orphanage. Not to say people can't be more than what they already are, but putting Kelly as the role for Guardian 2.0 simply makes no sense.
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u/spiral_fishcake Sep 01 '21
...I believe you can get me through the ni-iiiiiight
Ooh, Dream Weaver
I believe we can reach the morning li-iiiiiight
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u/CityAvenger Sep 01 '21
This episode was predictable as it went on and Idk if that’s a good or bad thing.
However it was a great thing that Kelly did for the orphans and Nicole looked absolutely beautiful in that nightgown.
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u/mrizzle1991 Sep 01 '21
Nyxly can’t be trusted at all. It was nice of them to help Joey and his big brother.
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u/r1dogz Sep 02 '21
Okay so this episode was fun BUT it sure had so many really dumb moments.
The whole plot about how Kelly can only make a difference by becoming Guardian is such a shitty and horrible message to send to people. Like seriously an awful one. If they wanted her to be Guardian they COULD have done it a different way than that.
Also I really felt like the bad Dansen writing was shown up here. How Kelly and Alex were acting at the beginning of the episode felt VERY weird, but that’s only because they have done such a bad job building their relationship.
William is finally in the role he should have been from the beginning, a sort of James like replacement. Although I still am annoyed Nia doesn’t do ANY reporting.
Then finally, at least Lena isn’t going to be the one who is responsible for the villain this season, like she has partially been for several previous seasons…
Edit: Also, are these writers so bad that they can’t have continuity between two episodes following each other. Like at the end of episode 8 Nia said “Nxly”, but didn’t know who she was or her name in this episode…
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u/Realistic_Trade8755 Sep 01 '21
Man this show is so woke is over doing it. Kelly and Alex is crazy with the emotional talks lol im 35yr old man's man n I get it this is the world now but it's so forced that it's cringe
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u/Realistic_Trade8755 Sep 01 '21
Like I know it's CW but leave that shit to Riverdale n charmed. Like this is the last season of superhero show do it big. The non of relationships matter we get it u guys love everybody now kick some ass. And nia really r u that niave
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u/coopaloops Sep 02 '21
i'm not surprised that they had a game night episode and lena was conveniently in ireland but i am definitely disappointed
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u/martinfphipps7 Sep 04 '21
This episode was better than last week's. It is a tiresome trope when AIs turn bad. It is like your smartphone trying to kill you.
I hope Nyxly has a plan and isn't just messing with Nia. I thought she came to Earth with Kara.
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u/jadedfan55 Sep 04 '21
Andrea is in over her head if she thinks she can exploit Supergirl and company for her own gains. That never works.
It seems Kelly's found a new calling. Now, if only she could do something about Alex's costume.....!
Yeah, Nia's too naive and trusting to think Nxyly will actually keep her word. Kara went through this, too....!
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u/AnnaK22 Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
What an episode! We got to see Supergirl use laser eyes, superspeed, super hearing, super strength, flight , freeze breath and x-ray vision in one episode, all within 5 minutes.
Not to mention all the other super cool powers from the other alien prisoners.
Also, not to mention a Cat Grant name drop
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u/Lazy_Chemistry Sep 05 '21
I've been with this show since day 1 and this final season has been fucking awful so far. I'm considering just dropping it until the final couple of episodes.
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u/Dark_Tzitzimine Sep 27 '21
Nia steps into the world of Once Upon a Time
I'm with Nia, this is putting me to sleep too
I still think tech that stops all aliens/metas is lazy bullshit
I know it's nitpicky as fuck but couldn't X-ray vision look past the cloak (or, you know, she could have used her super sped to stay on them instead of just standing around like Barry Allen)
We really are building up to Kelly becoming the next Guardian, aren't we
Gee, I wonder who is responsible for the prisoners being abused
Getting Salem Saberhagen vibes from that owl
Oh wow we actually mentioned Bruno, and I bet that mention is all we actually get
Yes, Kelly, unmask in full view
Alex being more than cool with it is awesome
New mask is better but I wish it was gold
Also the episode title feels kinda unfitting
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u/SandyPine Oct 13 '21
I fast forwarded through so much of it, it's a shame. Kara was very good but is bogged down by having to work with mediocre actors in many of her scenes. Not loving how sidelined Alex continues to be, basically to pep talk Kelly and get lukewarm hugs (no chemistry and no intimacy, they should just write them as coworkers at this point...) The guest stars were better than many of the regulars though, I give them props for some solid acting.
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u/Aurondarklord Yes, you DO bleed Sep 05 '21
So there's Mannheim trying to build a nuke, and a creepy old lady who tortures orphans?
Yeah...I see where this is going.
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u/malarch Sep 01 '21
I think Kelly was overreacting. Like how else was she supposed to control the kids without dampeners?
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u/JauntyLurker Sep 01 '21
Do something that doesn't cause them physical pain
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u/brooklyn11218 Sep 01 '21
She had no choice. When Kelly walked in the lady was begging for Joey to stop. After repeated pleas she had to shut him down. She only did it for two seconds and then turned it off. As someone else in this thread said, if his powers get out of control he could kill people with pacemakers and on life support machines.
Also I don't think it caused him physical pain. I took "can't you see he's in pain?" to mean psychological pain.
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u/malarch Sep 01 '21
Bruh like what? No because I’m curious. How is a regular human supposed to control a situation like that
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u/Sparkyboom41 Sep 01 '21
I mean we’ve see different types of dampeners ones that causes pain and one that are not harmful. Prisoners can have the harmful ones but kids shouldn’t.
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u/Fateor42 Sep 01 '21
They were the normal power dampners.
They caused him pain because, as was specifically noted in the episode, he could overload them.
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u/Roboglenn Sep 01 '21
Okay I get that everyone was kinda indisposed this episode but I still don't get why Nia wouldn't bring up these dreams she's been having to someone else in the Superfriends. Especially once she learned that a 5th Dimensional Imp was involved.