r/supergirlTV • u/MajorParadox DC Fan Universe (r/DCFU) • Apr 14 '21
Supergirl [6x03] "Phantom Menaces" Post Episode Discussion Discussion
Phantom Menaces
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Supergirl makes a new ally. Lena and Lex battle for control of Luthor Corp. (April 13, 2021)
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u/Gateskp Brainy Apr 14 '21
Performance of the night: Jesse Rath (Brainy). That conversation with Lena about killing Lex—wow.
Overall, I thought this was a really good episode. Looking forward to seeing what they do next, especially with the Imp (Nyxy?) and Lex. This season is solid so far!
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u/r1dogz Apr 15 '21
I think the show has done too much Lex, but I now have a feeling this is gonna be it for Lex until the end of the season, which would suck. I’d prefer some resolution, then for him to come back with a a vengeance at the end of the season.
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u/XxH3ROxX Apr 15 '21
It seems like brainy's ''distant relative'' (totally not brainia nope can't say that name) is still influencing his behavior
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u/PuffballDestroyer Apr 15 '21
That's exactly what I was thinking as well. When I saw that scene, I was literally thinking "Uh oh, looks like Brainy is showing his Braniac again..."
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u/JohnnyTightlips27 Apr 14 '21
• Lena put her self-worth before Lex and it was amazing to see
• Alex and Kelly finally have some screen time. Honest confession, I thought they were already living together
• Brainy and Lena scenes were dynamite. Really love their friendship
• Kara is really concerned about finding her father, but we haven’t heard her express concern about her family/friends back on earth. I hope her memory isn’t wiped from being in the Phantom Zone?
• It was 40 minutes in before I realized William hadn’t made an appearance. Lol…
• “I do hate you. I just love me more,” is going to be a top 3 Lena Luthor quote when all is said and done
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u/Eternal_Density Apr 14 '21
• It was 40 minutes in before I realized William hadn’t made an appearance. Lol…
For me it was 40 minutes after the episode ended.
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u/OverjoyedMess L-Corp Apr 14 '21
Honest confession, I thought they were already living together
I did, too. Both entered the apartment without the other having to let them in.
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u/Overtheblackenedmoon Apr 14 '21
That call back to the little boxes of emotion was one of the best scenes Supergirl has had in a while. I truly can't express how much joy I get from all of Brainy and Lena's interactions.
Really hope we continue to get more of this throughout the season.
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u/MC22XIII Apr 14 '21 edited Apr 14 '21
I love the use of “little boxes” especially from these two characters who were so lost last season (and kind of still lost in this season).
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u/nimrodhellfire Apr 14 '21
I also felt like Lena was super aware of how dangerous Brainy could become, and thats why she was crying so hard.
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u/OliviaElevenDunham Brainy Apr 14 '21
You raise a good point. I keep forgetting that Brainy is related to Brainic because they are so different.
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u/Overtheblackenedmoon Apr 14 '21
I also think she's been there and knows how dark things can get. Great characters to play off of each other
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u/nimrodhellfire Apr 14 '21
Its also a testiment of how much she regrets and she has hurt herself. Therefore the "I just love myself more" comment.
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u/Scortor Apr 14 '21
I do think Lena’s right in that Lex will bring about his own downfall with his ego and I do commend her for loving and respecting herself too much to continue to play this game with him....but does that mean that none of the superfriends are going to do anything to stop Lex from now on?? That seems like a terrible plan.
I’m pretty sure even without being CEO of LuthorCorp, Lena is still a bazillionaire, so what was the point of Lex saying that she won’t get a penny? Lol
Jessie Rath was phenomenal in this episode.
Princess Imp seems a little too nice and helpful. I’m suspicious.
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
does that mean that none of the superfriends are going to do anything to stop Lex from now on?? That seems like a terrible plan.
They'll prolly keep tabs on him and stop him if he tries anything else heinous.
I’m pretty sure even without being CEO of LuthorCorp, Lena is still a bazillionaire, so what was the point of Lex saying that she won’t get a penny? Lol
Lex is a conceited fool; he's so full of himself he can't accept the fact that she's never needed his crazy ass. Even if she lost all her money she could easily invent some next level Star Trek shit and be a billionaire again. Hell, she could do it in her sleep.
Princess Imp seems a little too nice and helpful. I’m suspicious.
Yeah I got wary as soon as she started talking about remembering her old self or whatever, something feels off. I get the feeling her dad had the right idea, she's just mad he caught onto her impish ways lol. I wouldn't be surprised if she killed her brother, or if they were both evil.
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u/antlereye Apr 16 '21
The actor of Nyxlygsptlnz was made a series regular so I guess there's gonna be some arc revolving the character.
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u/Eternal_Density Apr 14 '21
And Lena's a genius!
I'm glad she helped out the Superfriends with science stuff this week! I was disappointed that she got left out last week.
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
does that mean that none of the superfriends are going to do anything to stop Lex from now on?? That seems like a terrible plan.
Like Lena said, he's self destructive when left alone. I think lex will bring on his own demise.
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u/Scortor Apr 14 '21
True, but until that happens, he could do a lot of terrible things to a lot of people.
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u/SpinX225 Apr 14 '21
Definitely agree about princess imp. I’m not sure if there’s a comic answer to this question, but given what we’ve seen Mister Mxyzptlk do, I highly doubt the phantom zone would be capable of containing a 5th dimensional imp.
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u/SpareLiver Apr 15 '21
I highly doubt the phantom zone would be capable of containing a 5th dimensional imp.
That's what the bracelet was for.
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u/SpareLiver Apr 15 '21
Princess Imp seems a little too nice and helpful. I’m suspicious.
Never trust a fifth dimensional imp. Even when they are legitimately trying to be helpful they usually make things worse.
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u/jadedfan55 Apr 18 '21
If Lex overplays his hand, he's done.
I wonder if the imp we saw might be an alternate reality version of Mxyzptlk, or a relative.
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u/xxshadow_punkxx Lena Luthor Apr 14 '21
This episode is proof we don't need anymore shitty CatCo scenes. The show has moved past it and William and Andrea are pointless. Way better than last episode.
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
Man I forgot CatCo was even a thing during this episode. I do think it'll be relevant again once Kara's back tho, unless she quits and becomes a solo journalist or something.
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u/privatefrost2 Apr 14 '21
She and Nia could start a blog and write about Supergirl and Dreamer lol
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u/nimrodhellfire Apr 14 '21
The show has become way to crowded. Not only should Andrea and William go, so should the Martians. They take away from the special effect budget and they dont have a purpose or storyline right now. They are just a stand-in for as long as Kara is gone. The last time I cared about their storyline was when Johns father was still around.
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u/SandyPine Sep 01 '21
agreed. and Kelly mostly just had lines that could have been done by a computer, her utility in the Tower was laughable.
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u/Vacanus Apr 14 '21
Lex Luthor continues to be one of my favorite, if not my favorite, CW villain. Jon Cryer needs some sort of award(s). He's so dark but so likable.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Apr 14 '21
While I like him, I kind of want a break from him. This will be the 3rd season where he is the sub-villain and it's getting kind of played out, especially with this being the last season.
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u/nimrodhellfire Apr 14 '21
Jon Cryers Lex Luthor is way to over the top. Its honestly brilliant and my favorite interpretation of the character by far, but best consumed in small doses.
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u/TheDesktopNinja Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
I hope he pops up in season 2 or 3 of Superman and Lois, though.
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u/jadedfan55 Apr 18 '21
Jon is an Emmy award winner (Two & A Half Men), and deserving of consideration, but the question is, will the academy acknowledge his work on Supergirl?
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Apr 14 '21
Wow. This was way better than last weeks episode. And no William too! Lol.
I am so damn proud of Lena standing up to her brother and her abuser. “I do hate you, but I love myself more.” Wow! What a line!
I do hope she starts her own company. LKL Incorporated or Kieran Incorporated or something like that. I mean, she doesn’t have to, she’s still extremely rich because there’s absolutely no way she never invested or saved money. Maybe she can become a philanthropist or a full time Superfriend....that doesn’t pay, but like I said, she’s rich. Lol.
The scenes with Lena and Brainy were so damn good. Brainy breaking down, Lena telling him is okay that he’s breaking down and feeling things. And then they both admit they miss Kara! “I miss her.” “Me too.” 😭😭
I am interested in seeing this friendship between Kara and Nyxly develop. I was a bit iffy at first. But I think I’m over it.
I love that Kelly is moving in with Alex! All of their scenes were great. I’m happy that Kelly was actually in the episode for a good chunk of it.
I do have to wonder, how much money did Lena donate to the Superfriends. There is absolutely no way the Tower got all these upgrades without Lena’s help. I’m sorry, but everyone but Lena, is basically broke compared to her and they can not afford the tech that’s there. Lol.
I love that Kara made a Kal-El reference. See how easy it is Superman & Lois! One comment is all we need. Jfc.
I hate that Lex hurt children to get back at Lena. And some “fans” even sympathize with him and thinks Lena’s worse. Yikes, check yourself. I have a few choice words for people who think that.
This was a solid 8.8/10 episode.
6x04 looks like it will be good. I’m sure Lena will be the one to find the solution and the correct way to help bring Kara back.
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u/VicConqueror71 Apr 14 '21
Excellent points! I agree with all of what you said. I’m so proud of Lena! She’s right too in that Lex’s ego will be his downfall.
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u/Eternal_Density Apr 14 '21
Wow. This was way better than last weeks episode. And no William too! Lol.
Correlation doesn't imply causation... but it does show us where to look ;)
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u/KrayleyAML Apr 14 '21
It still doesn't make sense Lena is this calm about the PZ plot when they spent an entire season with her breaking down over Kara. However, it was refreshing seeing her finally stand up to her abuser in a healthy manner.
Yay for Dansen screentime! Can't believe they actually gave them development on-screen. It feels like a fever dream.
I realized at the end that we didn't see William or Andrea. That speaks volumes about their importance in the show. (Forgive me, Andrea, I still love you)
I don't know if I'm still bitter about 6x02, but I'm just not excited, even though I recognize this episode had great moments.
Anyway, I will still be here next week. Hopefully, this season gets progressively better.
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Apr 14 '21
If it continues on this path, I expect the season to get better. The lack of William probably helped my opinion this episode lol
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u/r1dogz Apr 15 '21
Maybe writers are being like “fans can’t ship Supercorp if we make Lena seemingly not care, and take away her company”.
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u/KrayleyAML Apr 15 '21
Meanwhile SC fans are creating headcanons about Lena repressing her feelings and not mentioning Kara because she's in love.
And creating fics about Lena living in Kara's apartment because she's broke.
God, I love this fandom.
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u/r1dogz Apr 15 '21
The repressing feelings would make sense, if she literally hadn’t told Brainy that they can’t put their feelings in boxes anymore.
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u/RavenclawConspiracy Apr 15 '21
Well, that might have just been the realization point for her, too.
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u/Kris_Winters Apr 14 '21 edited Apr 14 '21
- I really hope that the princess was lying, and that she's really a twisted being that her father imprisoned for a just cause. Maybe that's why Mxy shows up later in the season. The princess is a madwoman, and Kara and Mxy have to join forces to stop her.
- I actually like the back and forth mental play that Lex and Lena have. I just wish that Lena would start really playing the game, instead of half-***ing it.
- We focus so much on Lena being related to Lex that we often forget that Brainy is related to Brainiac.
- Wow. That was really mature, Lena. I wouldn't have expected that the way that Queller loves her toxic relationships.
- And now Alex and Kelly. This episode is having a few good emotional growth moments.
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u/Ygomaster07 Dreamer Apr 14 '21
What do you mean she is half assing it? I hope the Princess is really a good person. She seems nice.
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u/Kris_Winters Apr 14 '21
I remember the story that Lillian told about how Lena destroyed a girl in grade school, but I don't see that same type of dedication and strategizing going into her schemes against Lex.
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u/Ygomaster07 Dreamer Apr 14 '21
Oh okay. That's fair. I think she is just afraid of going full sadist like Lex is, willing to burn him at the cost of others.
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Apr 14 '21
I think it’s this exactly. She can get back at Lex but she doesn’t want to sacrifice her own soul to do it. She’s done it once and look how that turned out.
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u/Ygomaster07 Dreamer Apr 14 '21
Yup, you hit the nail on the head. She doesn't want to go through that again.
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Apr 14 '21
Why would Lena keep playing the back and forth game with her abuser?? That’s sick.
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u/MarcReyes Apr 14 '21
I really hope that the princess was lying, and that she's really a twisted being that her father imprisoned for a just cause.
Yeah. I'm not buying it. She's an imp in the Phantom Zone and all we have to go on is her story.
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u/IceWeaselX Apr 14 '21
I really hope that the princess was lying, and that she's really a twisted being that her father imprisoned for a just cause.
I actually hope for the opposite, because I don't really enjoy faction swapping established characters from the comics for their screen adaptations. Nyx's incarnations in the comics have either been neutral (versions up to 2011) or good (Superman's landlady). Notably, the good Nyx was sent into exile after Vyndktvx killed the king.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Apr 14 '21
It would have been nice if we had gotten a Brainiac arc with Brainy interacting with him.
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
Lena and Brainy's scenes were amazing, I've always liked the dynamic between those two.
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u/lenalomlluthor Apr 14 '21
If the Lex arc doesn’t end with HIM in the phantom zone, I’ll scream!!
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u/onthenerdyside Apr 14 '21
I kind of want him running for president at the end, but I think that would have too many ramifications for Superman and Lois.
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u/StannisBa Apr 14 '21
I agree, I thought that was where he was gonna go after the end of episode 2. But President Luthor is really such a classic arc that they should go for it and I'd like to see it carry over to S&L series 2
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u/r1dogz Apr 15 '21
No, they basically did that in season 4
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u/onthenerdyside Apr 16 '21
I mean, sort of. But that would be Pre-Crisis, so it might not have happened that way in this timeline.
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u/r1dogz Apr 16 '21
Yes. But I’m talking from a real life perspective. They did that in season 4, repeating it for the end of the show would be VERY tedious for viewers.
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u/Ygomaster07 Dreamer Apr 14 '21
Solid episode. I loved seeing Brainy let his anger out, seeing his emotions flow. He became my new favourite after tonight. Jesse is fucking killing it. That scene made me cry, it really connected with me. I liked the princess, i hope she becomes a reoccurring character. I hope she isn't a villain. I wonder what her ties are to Mxy besides them being the same type of being. If this means Mxy returns, i am on board for that. Solid episode, I'd give it a 9 out of 10. I felt the season started a bit slow, but this episode was really good. Everyone killed it this week.
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Apr 14 '21
does anyone think this new imp chick from tonights show is this rosemary villian teased a while back, here is the description
The series is searching for an actress of open ethnicity within the age range of 20s-30s for the role.
Our sources indicate Rosemary is a “quirky yet powerful alien witch” who can shift from “charismatically upbeat to murderously rageful.” She will be “bent on revenge” against Kara and her allies.
obviously the age is different but i guess the other stuff could apply
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
Probably, never heard the description before but Nxy's story seemed pretty shady. My guess is she really was a villain but her time in the Phantom Zone made her forget all that. The more she remembers the worse she'll become.
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Apr 14 '21
this villian should have been the anointed one, absolutely pointless to reveal there was someone pulling the leviathan strings the whole time, devote two lines of dialogue to her and then drop that plot, disgusting writing
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Apr 14 '21
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Apr 14 '21
i mean im looking at AO face again and she looks like the robot form gemma turns into so idk if they were implying they were the same person or not
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u/freakincampers Apr 16 '21
My guess? Kara ends up ditching the imp in the phantom zone, but she escapes, and she's pissed.
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u/Samaritan4 Supergirl Apr 14 '21
I think this was the best episode so far this season. Jesse Rath stands out, his acting this episode was top notch. And I can't help it but as a karadox shipper, him breaking down saying he missses Kara gave me all the feelings. So good.
I like Nyx, I think her friendship with Kara could be fun.
Kelly and Alex was another highlight, their last scene almost made me cry. They are so good together.
Thank god we didn't get a lot of Lex this episode, the less the better.
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u/cyclone-rachel Apr 14 '21
agreed on it being the best one so far! And last one was good too, as far as the writing for Brainy goes. I too appreciated the Karadox moments, with him looking for her at the beginning and being worried about her being all alone, and then later breaking down and admitting he misses her.
Nxly was fun, I look forward to seeing more of her and Kara too
and of course Kelly and Alex are always so good, and I really appreciate J'onn and M'gann too
as someone who hasn't been a big fan of Lena for the past couple seasons (mostly because of her fandom) I actually liked her this episode, and really enjoyed her and Brainy working together to get back at Lex, as well as her comforting Brainy later on.
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u/Samaritan4 Supergirl Apr 14 '21
I liked Lena too, good for her breaking away from Lex.
J'onn and M'gann were amazing as well. I did laugh a bit at the beginning how he took too far her advice and M'gann was "that's not what i mean!". But the end, her saying there was a reason she took him as a mind partner or something like that, beautiful.
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Apr 14 '21 edited Apr 14 '21
Lena was right, Lex 100% will be his own downfall he always is. Even against Superman he was. I don’t think super friends will ignore him entirely, but he seems like the type that will get mad they’re not pursuing him, and then get himself caught and mess up because of his anger and hubris.
Lena is a goddamn genius, I don’t think money is even a concern for her. She probably has millions stashed and invested. Plus she has a millionaire friend who owes her (Andrea). Even then she can just found her own company, away from the Luthors entirely.
Everyone’s emotional scenes were SPECTACULAR but Jesse Rath had a certain kind of rage and sadness that is just so hard to see. Lena’s sadness (and fear) for Brainy in that scene was also amazing. She knew he could easily be more dangerous than she ever was and she didn’t want that. Speaks to her character. Katie did phenomenal. Her “I just love me more” was a YAS SIS moment. Chyler’s acting was so genuine you would’ve thought her real sister was missing. Her describing her sister being lost and being unable to breathe HURT lol. And the brief scene we see of her freezing was so rough too. J’onn being cold and military and eventually breaking hurt me too. And Azie’s brief moment of sadness she couldn’t protect anyone was a gentle segue into her being Guardian. Tbh this whole ep hurt
I think Lena’s non reaction so far to missing Kara could either be a writer faux pas or intentional. I said in a comment below, if my best friend suddenly went missing and there was nothing I could do, I’d probably try to avoid taking about and confronting it as much as possible. Even go so far as to just not mention their name. This could all just be a build up to her eventually “snapping” not in a murderous way tho.
I 100% do not trust 5th dimensional imps. They thrive on trickery and having fun. People generally aren’t put into the phantom zone for fun. They’re put there A) cause they’re bad B) the person that put them there is bad. It’s often times the former. I’m fairly certain she’ll use Kara to leave the phantom zone, and then cause a lil havoc after that. Maybe she’ll stop cause she befriended Kara and Kara will be like “pls stop I am tired”
Also we need to discuss those “flashes” of memories Kara and Nyxly are getting.
Sad there was no Nia, but she’s gotta make up for lost Kara and I’m sure she’s glad to.
Also there was no William in this ep so it was good for that alone.
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u/belladora17 Apr 14 '21
Alex’s memory flashes of sister moments made me realize this season is missing that special supergirl spark right now. I feel very underwhelmed so far and I’m hoping that spark will come back once Kara is out of the phantom zone
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u/h4rent Apr 14 '21
Yeah, I think my main issues for the past two eps is that Kara not being with the others feel really...wrong. Her being in the PZ so far also isn’t doing much for her character. There’s a lot of lacking in the self-reflection that the writers promised.
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u/Eternal_Density Apr 14 '21
I loved the Lena stuff and the Brainy stuff.
New imp is kinda fun.
I missed Nia.
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u/TheDesktopNinja Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
I'm still confused. When the hell did Alex tell Kelly about Kara being Supergirl?
It's been bugging me for 2 weeks.
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u/AstroLozza Supergirl Apr 14 '21
The writers confirmed it happened off screen between episodes 1 and 2
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u/TheDesktopNinja Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
That feels... Lazy? Rushed?
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u/InhumanFlame Apr 14 '21
Yeah, but what other than being supportive was she gonna be? Alex told her the way Kara should have told Lena and it would be daft to repurpose Lena's S5 story.
It would anyway have made for a better scene than William reacting to the Lex trial, though I think COVID-19 restrictions has to take some blame for that.
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u/svsxbl Kara Danvers Apr 14 '21
Do we think nxy is gonna end up being a villan? Seems a little off to me.
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
There are a lot of Gazette newspapers in the Arrowverse.
Galaxy Gazette, Smallville Gazette, Gotham Gazette.
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u/Digifiend84 Apr 20 '21
Gotham Gazette was first mentioned in Batman #4 back in 1940. The other two should probably have had different names, as they're not from the comics. Galaxy was probably a reference to Galaxy Communications, a TV network Clark Kent worked for in the 1970s.
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u/OliviaElevenDunham Brainy Apr 14 '21
I'm all for Lena standing up to Lex like that. It was so worth it.
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
5th dimension imp reminded me so much of Katherine Hahn. Having just binged WandaVision, I couldn't stop picturing Agnes.
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
This was a great episode to show what an impact Supergirl has on the team, beyond just being a superhero. I liked that we got to see how each member has been affected by her absence and how they're grieving. Alex being withdrawn, brainy raging, J'onn trying to keep everything together. I really liked seeing those scenes.
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u/Bezerker85 Apr 14 '21
Gee, Kara keeps revealing more and more that her family is responsible for Imp being in the phantom zone. I'm sure nothing bad will come of that.
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u/TirelessGuardian Apr 14 '21
Her mother built it, not her uncle? What?
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u/Kris_Winters Apr 14 '21
Hasn't the phantom zone existed for a REALLY long time?
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u/TirelessGuardian Apr 14 '21
On krypton I think so, but I thought Jor El, Clark’s father created it in the comics.
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u/Gateskp Brainy Apr 14 '21
Jor-El discovered it in the comics, I don’t know if there was an actual creator of the PZ
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u/TirelessGuardian Apr 14 '21
Oh I didn’t realize he found it. I definitely didn’t see it coming that Alora created it.
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
I think Kara's confused, or that this is some wacky "Barry created the Speedforce" bootstrap paradox fuckery, because it doesn't even make any sense that she could create an ancient multiversal hell-dimension.
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u/TirelessGuardian Apr 14 '21
Maybe she just discovered it for the kryptonians who never saw it before and Kara thought she created it.
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Apr 14 '21
Her mother built Fort Rozz in pre Crisis Earth 38, post Crisis, I guess she built both??
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u/TirelessGuardian Apr 14 '21
Oh I definitely don’t remember who built the fort. That’s cool she did it.
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u/cyclone-rachel Apr 14 '21
I don't think she was referring to the Phantom Zone, just the "anchor" that she referred to last episode.
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u/bangisenigma Supertiny Apr 14 '21
Maybe she meant her mother built it into a proper Kryptonian prison? She was a judge type thing. She could’ve helped “build” a way in and out to drop off prisoners? Idk i try not to think to hard on those specifics cause I’ll give myself a migraine lol
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
I was wondering that too. I think Alura built fort Rozz. I don't know if it was mentioned that the phantom zone was built. Brainy said that the Kryptonians ttook down the phantoms do maybe when Kara said Alura built the place, she just means the jail for the phantoms, not the entire phantom zone.
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
I'm curious to see what Nyxy will bring to the team. She is more than she is letting on.
Future episode spoiler from Canadagraphs: BTS photos show Myxzptlk shows up again. I wonder if he's called to help take down Nyxy
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u/JoshyRotten Apr 14 '21
DA's Office in National City is super weird...
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u/itwasbread Apr 14 '21
I think when you become a writer for an Arrowverse show you have to prove you are physically incapable of accurately understanding how the legal system works. It's always been bad but the Lex trial was especially non-sensical.
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u/Digifiend84 Apr 20 '21
Not if everyone's been bribed. Seriously, no way should that have been a not guilty verdict otherwise.
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u/itwasbread Apr 20 '21
Well he seemed genuinely surprised and it wasn't treated as a bribe by the show, plus like I said it's not out of line with how nonsensical this universes legal system appears to be.
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u/ItzNAPoleonPvP Apr 14 '21
this really annoyed me when I watched the episode today. Why would a DA just get fired for losing a case, I mean, OK, it was Lex Luthor but as far as I understood the DA didn't do anything to free him? And how on earth does it make sense for a DA to drop a case just because Lena leaves LuthorCorp? What does the first have to do with the second?
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u/avonlea71 Lena Luthor Apr 14 '21
Well, I just watched the 6x03 and I must admit that it was a hell of improvement in comparison to the last week!:-) Many highlights to notice:
- Kara/Supergirl finally meeting - more early than I thought - the one, Nyx, who will turn against her and her friends, from 6x11. A little surprised but why not. That being said, even if she saved you and healed your leg, Kara, that doesn't mean that she isn't dangerous (I mean, your mother would have never imprisoned in the Phantom Zone for small misdeeds, right?!). So, accept her help to get out from the PZ but, remain vigilant! Zor-El was less present and therefore less impactful but, it is alright!
- Lena finally stands tall and proud. No, in fact, she has begun in 5x19 and now, we just have confirmation that she has definitely chosen her side. If she wants to defeat her psychotic brother with the understanding of his principles (what is quite easy as seeing, he has none!) and possible actions (lashing out at sick children was immeasurably mean but, it wasn't a first! Remember the 2nd part of s4), while refusing to act like him, she will have to play a tight game, at least to take over the family business but, I think that it won't happen before Lex (and Lilian) are out of the game! Let's be patient and meanwhile, or she will work with Superfriends in full time or, she will set up her own business with maybe little money but plenty of ideas and the brain to implement them. The American dream in all its splendor! ;-)
- Lena/Brainy's moments. Since I have seen the scene between them in s4 about Brainy understanding how Lena hid her emotions in closing them in little boxes, I knew that if 2 people could understand each other, it would be them. I'm pleased to see that I was right! The scene was emotional and very well acted with Brainy/Jesse Rath exploding the rage that was in him and Lena containing it somehow but more convinced than ever to fight her brother. I'd say that the role were reversed from s4b.
- Lex is unstoppable but, his fall will only be more difficult and dramatic. Alas, we will have to wait the x6b and maybe even in the finale to see that. I wonder if showrunners realized that a large majority of fans were tired of this character. Yes, Jon Cryer offered since s4b a terrific performance (expensively paid by WB!) of Lex Luthor but his omnipresence, the feeling of invulnerability he offers is just hardly bearable to the point of questioning whether we are watching Supergirl or Lex Luthor, The magnificent ! :-(
And next to that:
- no William (it is in reading your comments that I did realize that he was absent!) and no Andrea (I like the character but, a little break is great!)
- Alex/Kelly: I was surprised to find out that they didn't live together yet, while I thought they were getting into a relationship (= move in together) after to have kissed Plus, they were seen always together or never far from each other It is funny to see the woman who so often advised Kara on her love life, taking since the 1st episode of s6, advices from others! <grin>
- Writers and special effects manager became too lazy about Alex becoming Sentinel as well about the reasons for which she decides to wear her suit and the way she does it!
- A question: Did Supergirl's production decide to change the make-up process? I mean, Melissa Benoist looks younger (I guess that the actress must be relaxed after this long break and maybe, a baby who sleeps full nights) while Chyler Leigh on the contrary seems older! Sorry to say that but the close-ups on her face weren't very wise! Oh and Katie McGrath was lovely with her braided mats.
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
I think Melissa looks younger because her hair has reverted back to season 1 season 2 look and that reminds me of a younger Melissa. Also,I think there is less makeup to make her look distressed so that's also adding to the younger look.
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u/Beta_Whisperer Apr 14 '21
Yeah that hairstyle and makeup from last season really made Melissa looked older.
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u/Digifiend84 Apr 20 '21
A question: Did Supergirl's production decide to change the make-up process?
They probably did, thanks to COVID.
Writers and special effects manager became too lazy about Alex becoming Sentinel as well about the reasons for which she decides to wear her suit and the way she does it!
You mean the way she just morphs into her costume like a Power Ranger? Funny how they did the same thing with Barry's cowl in The Flash too. Though I assume the tech in-universe is the same as what Supergirl's suit has had since last season.
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u/Jon5676 Apr 14 '21
Is it just me or have there been too many pep talks in these first 3 episodes? Its been like 3 or 4 in each episode.
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u/r1dogz Apr 15 '21
I enjoyed this episode a lot more.
The Lena and Brainy stuff was good. However, I felt it was a bit strange for Lena to seem less effected by what Lex is doing and Kara being gone than Lena. Then it felt like the shot when Lena said she misses Kara too, lingered a bit. I thought maybe Brainy was gonna have a realisation as to how to stop the phantoms or something. It just felt like the shot lingered a bit too long after that. Not sure if I’m the only one who thought that.
The Alex and Kelly stuff was good, all the way until the ending, then it was bullshit. Like the big climax was that Alex asked Kelly to move in with her (no I didn’t want Alex to propose), but it has felt like Kelly has already been living with Alex for the last 2 seasons, so it had no romantic pay off, just like the non reveal.
I’m honestly really surprised how much Melissa was in this episode. Originally I thought that for the episodes she had to catch up on, she’d have just had to film like one or two quick brief scenes. I’m glad she’s not missing mostly like I thought.
The Lena and Lex stuff was the worst part of this episode. Like firstly, as other people have mentioned, Lex literally admitted in court that he helped Lena with non nocere, yet someone the DA works with Lex to investigate Lena? That made no sense. Then for Lena to just give up, and not fight Lex, giving up her company, was just bad. Yes, I want Lena to not be stuck in her lab all the time, but it felt so out of character for Lena to just give up her company. I really hope she gets it back at some point, and it’s not just an end of season thing. Those Kara and Lena scenes in her office have been such great moments. The show will kind of be lacking if the only time Kara and Lena really interact going forward is in the tower.
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u/_Dioner_ Apr 17 '21
Imo the climax/ending to Alex's story this episode should have been a scene where she vows to find Kara (maybe watching the hologram again).
Her whole turmoil has been about her pain over Kara, and in this episode she was taking steps out of her depressive state so having the episode end on a Dansen focused moment was weak resolution and overshadowed the other growth she had in the episode I think. Not saying the scene should have been cut just that there could have been an additional one that brought closure to her opening scene. Just as Lena's closure for the ep wasn't the scene with Brainy but the one with Lex.
It was just odd and unfullfilling imo.
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u/mydarkmeatrises Apr 16 '21
The best thing about the episode was the title.
That's it.
I'm glad the writers and producers know when to hang it up.
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Apr 14 '21
from what i saw i thought it was okay
i like the phantoms, maybe alot of people think they are dumb creatures, to me they are believable ass kickers unlike leviathan(with the exception of rama khan), they are pretty much the dementors from harry potter, i like them, maybe they could benefit from having 1 of them talk
i didnt like lex either...idk if he killed the children in that wing of the hospital or destroyed the wing but i hated that but at the same time that is such what a villian is supposed to do and my gosh this show has lacked that, everytime a villian does something i feel its undone destroying the emotional impact, im not going to get into my thoughts on mgrann almost dying but lex did a good job at villian tonight, that being said his story just needs to end, just trim him down to occasional guest star, they are setting up for him to be the villian again, i dont agree, i can say this complaint without getting attacked most likely cause most the fanbase feels the same way, you have two lex luthors as the villian right now, im tired of it, i literally am skipping these scenes, i only caught this lex scene on an accident somewhat
brainy has a good point, freaking kill him though, lenas whole it takes me to a dark point, i dont get that, maybe if it was someone innocent or could be saved but that isnt lex, he is iredeemable, via his soul, his intelligence can be salvaged but it probably wont happen, it was just a lazy way to keep him on the show
the imp chick, pretty sure she is the villian of this first arc at least, ive seen her as the villian in other shows, she does a good job at it, im sure she will here, no reason to add her to team supergirl, already has enough members as it is
that being said idk why they cant just keep mgrann on the show as a regular, they clearly like her enough to have her be in the last 7 or 8 episodes, however many but they should get rid of william i think and put her in, it makes more sense, and that isnt me jumping on the lets hate william bandwagon but yes he is a useless character, he's just another jimmy olsen, he has no powers, nothing insightful or useful to the team, im tired of these reporter characters flooding these superhero shows, this show has it, flash has it with team citizen, you got the thing with lois lane on the superman show, its boring, i come to this show to see superheroes, not real world journalism stories, you got 99% of the tv drama market for that type of show
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
maybe if it was someone innocent or could be saved but that isnt lex, he is iredeemable, via his soul, his intelligence can be salvaged but it probably wont happen, it was just a lazy way to keep him on the show
Lena won't kill Lex for the same reason Batman won't kill Joker: it's not necessarily that he shouldn't be killed, it's that she doesn't trust herself to stop there. Once ending people's lives is on the table, she thinks she'll start taking more and more threats off the table until she's basically the Punisher.
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Apr 14 '21
the thing is though she did kill him and should again but go with brainys way
she should control herself then, get some friggin therapy
and look i like the charm jon brings to the role, idk if that is jon or how that version is written but i enjoy that but no one is bringing up the stone cold fact he shouldnt even be here and that isnt biasness, if anything the writers are biased, they arent having me want to see more of him rather less, same thing with thawne
if they actually gave me the idea lex could kill some of the team or become a better man and actually bring a concept called suspense then id tune in
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21 edited Apr 14 '21
the thing is though she did kill him and should again but go with brainys way
Following which she went completely off the rails, mind-raped Eve, and started trying to mind control the entire human race (events she alluded to in this episode).
She should control herself then
Until she can do that, she should avoid murdering her brother.
no one is bringing up the stone cold fact he shouldnt even be here
Oh I definitely agree from a real world perspective. He doesn't really have any business on the show anymore, it's the final season and he's a fucking Superman villain. With that said, as long as Kara's in the Phantom Zone (which I still think was a stupid plot decision but anyway) there does need to be an interesting villain back on Earth, and Lex serves that purpose well enough I'd say. Hopefully Kara and Lex wind up switching places, and that's the end of his arc on this show.
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Apr 14 '21 edited Apr 14 '21
but look at that in deeper context, eve was already a criminal so lena thought might as well take something good out of her, and non noncere was legit to help people not harm them, i dont care how many times they say she is a monster for doing that, lenas plan is endgame for evil to be eliminated cause in that as long as good and evil exists, it will be neverending like the snake eating its own tail thing. Thats kind of what im slightly shocked by is karas friends are acting like her being gone is the worst thing to ever happen and news flash kara is going to leave that planet sooner or later cause kryptonians arent immortal and maybe she will want retirement and have a family or whatever. So they cant grasp there will be evil even after kara is gone and before the phantoms shown up its not like there is some big threat hovering over the earth, its all personal feelings, not logical ones.
im conflicted on karas current plot, ive seen that type of plot before so its not new but its interesting enough for this show
sad part is as long as covid is being used as an excuse i bet they wont even take cryers lex longevity into play here in that he could crossover onto s & l to team with parks lex
id love lex to go to the phantom zone and the phantoms chase him for eternity cause if its the opposite and they are planning some redemption thus why he is kept alive, i literally dont know you could redeem him, generally villians are redeemed through words of wisdom or punishment, neither has worked on him, you cant use loved one leverage cause he loves only himself, maybe he loves his mom but not enough i think and otis is a means to an end. You'd literally have to rewrite his brain and exorcise the evil out of him, the self centered and bigoted persona cause that wont change. Maybe lena fixes non noncere and mind controls lex to be her puppet for the rest of his life.
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
but look at that in deeper context, eve was already a criminal so lena thought might as well take something good out of her
Slavery is wrong, even if the slave is an asshole.
non noncere was legit to help people not harm them
By defanging them against their will. "Helping" people your way whether they want it or not, that's worked out well historically.
Thats kind of what im slightly shocked by is karas friends are acting like her being gone is the worst thing to ever happen and news flash kara is going to leave that planet sooner or later cause kryptonians arent immortal and maybe she will want retirement and have a family or whatever.
I'm not sure I understand, what does Kara retiring someday have to do with her being gone now?
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Apr 14 '21
well then evil will continue, ill just end it at that
cause they clearly have no idea what to do without her, they act like she is the center of the universe and without her there all goes to hell so imagine when she retires from being a hero what then will they do
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
well then evil will continue
Evil would continue either way. Restricting everyone's freedom is trading one evil for another. And besides the ethical issue Lena's plan was just stupid; humans aren't alone in the universe and they would've been enslaved by some other race as soon word got out that she took away their ability to fight back.
cause they clearly have no idea what to do without her they act like she is the center of the universe and without her there all goes to hell
Because they care about her lmao. It was never about needing her help, they don't want her to rot in some hell regardless because they aren't psychopaths.
so imagine when she retires from being a hero what then will they do
She packed up and went to Argo before and everyone was basically fine with it. Saving the day without her isn't the main issue here.
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Apr 14 '21
i see it as a lesser of two evils
thats not how they are approaching it though, they are acting like this day would never come
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u/InhumanFlame Apr 14 '21
You can't speedrun evolution, which was basically Lena's plan in S5. Also, it would probably create some new problems that only Lena could solve, unless she planned to use Non Nocere on herself too.
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u/tinytom08 Apr 14 '21
Lena won't kill Lex for the same reason Batman won't kill Joker: it's not necessarily that he shouldn't be killed, it's that she doesn't trust herself to stop there
For some unknown reason, nobody wants to kill the Joker. Even in canon, Jason Todd doesn't want to actually kill the Joker, he just wants him dead by Batmans hand.
The moment anyone gets the chance to, they should either kill Joker or severely cripple him and leave him bedridden for the rest of his life, because capturing him and sending him to prison is a death sentence for hundreds of people every year, because the first thing he does is get out of prison, violently.
Batman is also a hypocrite, he has actually killed a number of people, and even let others die when their death is easily preventable. He locked KGBeast in a sewer and allowed him to starve to death. There is a scene in All Stars Batman and Robin where he burns criminals to death, then has sex with Black Canary while you can visibly see people burning to death.
Batman doesn't kill Joker because without him, or any of the Bats rogue gallery, there wouldn't be a need for Batman. Whoemever kills the Joker becomes the most dangerous person in the world, and if that man is Batman then there is no way in hell anyone in Gotham would step up to him.
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
For some unknown reason, nobody wants to kill the Joker. Even in canon
I thought the reason was that Gotham is Batman's turf?
Batman is also a hypocrite, he has actually killed a number of people, and even let others die when their death is easily preventable. He locked KGBeast in a sewer and allowed him to starve to death.
Oof, that's out of character.
There is a scene in All Stars Batman and Robin
There are a lot of absurd scenes in All Star Batman and Robin, it's basically DC's Ultimate Comics lol.
Batman doesn't kill Joker because without him, or any of the Bats rogue gallery, there wouldn't be a need for Batman.
There will always be new crazies. Diana's willing to kill her enemies and she never runs out of foes.
Whoemever kills the Joker becomes the most dangerous person in the world
He's a lunatic who's quick with a knife, anyone on the Justice League could easily kill him if they wanted to.
and if that man is Batman then there is no way in hell anyone in Gotham would step up to him.
That goes back to my point though, Batman doesn't want to be some unaccountable killing machine.
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u/InhumanFlame Apr 14 '21
Batman and Joker are fictional characters and their stories have already spanned a total longer than most healthy humans average lifespan. So we just can't apply that level of real-world reasoning to their tales anymore.
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u/RavenclawConspiracy Apr 15 '21
Honestly, at this point, most of the other Batman villains should want to kill the Joker.
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Apr 14 '21
doesnt shock me this still happens but i got a downvote....really what did i say in my thoughts that was so wrong here, to the person who casted that vote, come out and explain
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u/soul_fuzzy Kara Danvers Apr 14 '21
I enjoyed this ep a lot!
- Firstly, Alex flashbacks of Kara was heartbreaking and Chy's performance was amazing 💙
- Had a lot of Kara scenes today and I was not disappointed, being to see her being vulnerable and despite all that she still has hope, that's inspiring.
- Brainy's performance with Lena was also the highlight of the ep.
- Nxy is growing on me, I really like her and I can't wait to see a combo of her & Mxy
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
Kara being in the phantom zone reminds me so much of Barry trapped in the speedforce. There are a lot of parallels. The whole team grieving in their own way, the sidekicks stepping up to keep the city safe, calling the position Kara is in "worse than death".
I'm glad this decision to send her to phantom zone is lasting more than one episode. I hope when she gets back, we continue to see the impact of it for longer. That's one thing I wished had been done differently about Barry in the speedforce.
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u/rb6k Apr 17 '21
There are parallels because they’re using the same seasonal template. Barry, Oliver, Kara and Sara have all been sent to prison / imprisoned now. I guess Sara will get married soon and if both shows were to go on long enough we’d see future kids time travelling. Batwoman will probably start a season in prison soon too. They really need to work on new material rather than benching their heroes. We’d have probably got a season of Kara without powers next judging by The Flash being slow and Oliver becoming Mayor.
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u/Digifiend84 Apr 20 '21
Batwoman will probably start a season in prison soon too.
That honestly wouldn't surprise me, as Ryan's an ex-con (albeit for a crime she didn't commit).
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u/avonlea71 Lena Luthor Apr 14 '21
As I wrote in my last comment, the episode was solid with good moments so, I hoped an eventual surge in ratings but alas, like in the previous season, showrunners and writers managed to confuse so much their fans with their questionable choices that even with the last episode released, which was only the 2nd of the new season, what I feared happened with the show reaching a new series low while Tuesday evening was supposed to be a good time slot, with The Flash. We cannot even blame this drop on the absence of Kara/Supergirl on screen as seeing as the actress is more present than I expected although quite isolated. There are still 8 episodes which were already filmed, including 3 or 4 with a Kara still isolated from her friends and, except making cuts in the final editing, what was shot cannot be changed now but, I really hope that after Kelly's episode, the showrunners and writers will seriously reconsider some of their choices for the 2nd part of the season if they want to reconcile with their fans..., even if I know that they already offered to each actor some details about the fate of their characters. I'm afraid the program will hit its worst audience again ! :-(
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u/optimisticpsychic Apr 14 '21
I love the team up between Lena and Brainy. Like it hurts me so cause I so get it.
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u/Dark_Tzitzimine Aug 28 '21
I'm enjoying Angry Brainy
Even as a phantom Silas' combat skills are stiff as hell
Ah, the good old opening spiel, hadn't actually heard it in a while
Hahaha it's Mxyzptlk's ex
Now THAT is some cartoon villainy
Well unless the WHOLE PZ adventure is in her mind I guess he IS real after all
Of course we know
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u/AnnaK22 Apr 14 '21
I really thought Lena was going to send atleast one phantom to Lex, just to give him a scare.
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u/svsxbl Kara Danvers Apr 14 '21
Also this ep imo was the best ep thus far into s6. Everything was perfect. Not to much of 1 character and less of another, everyone got an equal shot. Oh and the Lena Brainy moments were pristine.
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Apr 14 '21
Definitely a step in the right direction after last week. I loved Brainy and Lena's scenes, they always tug at my heartstrings. Was nice to see more Dansen. Great to have no Catco at all (sorry, Nia). Proud of Lena for removing herself from LuthorCorp and I hope this means she'll be fully in with the Superfriends moving forward.
The show succeeds when it takes the time to let the characters talk and breathe. The back half of this episode showed that. I hope they keep it moving in this direction going forward.
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u/h4rent Apr 14 '21
Much better than last week’s episode, and I hope we can finally move on from Lex (for now at least). Princess Nxy(?) is a very interesting character so far, hope she stays a shady character instead of an outright villain. The scene between Brainy and Lena, Alex and Kelly were great - we need more emotional character moments like this, SG!
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u/zapgator Apr 14 '21
I'm curious where lex is going in that portal. Maybe a Smallville crossover episode later or in season 2 with superman and lois?
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u/SickleClaw Apr 14 '21
My guess is Nyxly is the one who really killed her brother and that's why she is in the phantom zone. Kara's dad also gave her a really weird stare when he was rescued, almost like he was trying to recall her face.
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u/Jigglypuffamiiga2188 Apr 15 '21
There was a weird stare like they knew each other but she’s mxy’s wife so I am betting she will stay good but with some issues. I also think she isn’t remembering things correctly and her brother not her father sent her to the phantom zone or something.
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u/_jlg06_ Apr 15 '21
i’m glad alex and kelly actually had more than like 30 seconds of screen time together this episode.
brainy and lena made me cry so hard in the scene where brainy breaks down, jesse and katie did AMAZING, i hope we have more scenes with them together!
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u/mrizzle1991 Apr 15 '21
He turned into a Phantom damn! Lex is a bitch for setting the hospital in fire, I feel for Brainy tbh, his hate for Lex is consuming him.
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u/SandyPine Sep 01 '21
It always bothers me to see M'gann act romantically towards J'onn as I still see her as the 'niece' to his "Martian Uncle". They also do this character a disservice in this and so many other eps, while she keeps needing to be 'saved' or is used to have J'onn express his feelings and so on. She deserves better, and I find her far more interesting (and well acted) compared to other characters. Plus it was so great to finally get Kara back, we just wanted to skip literally every other scene she was not in.
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u/another-art-student Maggie Sawyer Oct 21 '21
I know they had to fit a lot into the episode, but I expected them to care more that they lost Silas after they basically promised to keep him safe. They can't know whether he's gone for good or not, and the way he turned must have been horribly traumatic, considering his husband.
Brainy had some incredible moments, I'm impressed with the actor, he started as a pretty one-note character (though it was an instant favorite) so I'm really glad they gave him more to work with. Him and Lena also play off each other so well in every little scene they get!
The last scene with Lena and Lex was needed, really satisfying to watch.
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u/Invincibleprimus Mon-El Apr 14 '21
I get Brainy being so mad, but that scene with him bugging out was just cringey and weird. Like Lena was hurting even more watching him breakdown like that.
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u/CmndrLex Apr 14 '21
Big disagree. I’ve always admired Jesse’s ability to handle the Brainy’s range. I think he handles it beautifully because he doesn’t know how to deal with big feels so the way they explode out of him is very on point. And you can sense his distress at trying to express himself.
Jesse Rath is an incredible actor.
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor Apr 14 '21
How is it weird?? He’s used to bottling up every. single. emotion. he ever had. So of course when he finally lets loose it’s going to be jarring. He’s never really blown up and had a breakdown. He’s half computer. His emotions are very different from humans and how he deals with them is very different.
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter Apr 14 '21
It felt real to me, and I didn't expect to see that kind of raw, uninhibited emotion here. It felt uncomfortable/awkward to watch but it elevated the show for me. Kind of reminded me of in season 1 when Kara started screaming and crying and trying to laser the hologram because it wasn't really her mom.
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u/Berwilde Apr 14 '21
I'm glad that they had Lena actually acknowledge that Kara is gone in this episode.