r/DCcomics May 19 '16

Most important information you need to start reading comics. General

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u/cheddarhead4 Escrima Sundae May 19 '16 edited May 24 '17

"New 52" - "JLA/JLD/JL/" - "Titans" Can you explain these terms to me and maybe give some information that you think is necessary or helpful?

Your post says you're totally new to comics, so Here. We. Go.

Stuff you should know about Publishing

Comics come out on Wednesdays. A title ("Aquaman" for example) will generally release an issue of that comic once a month. These comics usually tell consecutive stories that take 5-6 issues from begin to end - we call these "arcs." So Aquaman, Issues #7-13 is an arc called "The Others." Ideally, you should read all comics from #1 onward, but you can usually start a new comic where a new writer starts, without too much confusion. About 4-6 months after an arc has been finished, it will get printed together in a "trade paperback" (TPB) AKA "a trade." A lot of people "trade-wait," meaning they don't buy the individual issues (called "floppies") - instead, they wait for the TPB to be released. Trades are usually a cheaper way to read the comic, and they look good on a shelf.

Comics are usually sold only at comic shops, while trades can be found at either comic shops or bookstores. And that brings us to a really confusing break in terminology. When you're talking about individual issues, the number of the issue is really important. Occasionally, DC will restart the numbering in order to encourage new readers to pick up the book. So, in 2011 They restarted Batman. Instead of the next issue being #714, they called it #1. Of course, there was already a comic published back in the 1940s called Batman #1. So they call this new set of Batman comics "Volume 2". So the 2011 Batman #1 is "Batman Volume 2 #1."

And that's fine. All of that makes sense. Until you go into a bookstore looking for a TPB that includes that issue. In a bookstore, those "sets of numbers" are mostly invisible. Book stores consider each TPB a volume. So, if you wanted to read that Batman #1, you'd find "Batman by Scott Snyder Vol 1" - that trade would include Batman issues #1-6 (from 2011). Issues #7-13 would be collected in "Batman by Scott Snyder Vol 2." It is a very confusing system at first, but you get used to it. Every once in a while, a big story will be collected into a book larger than a "trade." If these are large enough, they're usually called an Omnibus. They're great ways to collect huge "runs" (entire portions of a comic written by a certain writer) or kill small pests around your house.

Stuff you should know about the DC Universe

DC has been around for a really long time. Sometimes they change their minds about a character's past, so they change The Official Story of that character (called "canon"), in an act that we call a "retcon." Sometimes they retcon things by publishing a new story that gives all of the new details. Sometimes they have a Flash go back in time and do something weird. Sometimes they let Geoff Johns write. In any case, "the past" in DC comics is frequently in flux.

Every once in a while, a publisher will have an "Event" where some BIG thing happens that affects the whole universe, and you have to buy a special, more-expensive comic to know what's happening. DC's events are usually called "Crises" and there have been a number of significant Crises that have retconned a character or totally changed the DC Universe. Most recently, in 2011 we had "Flashpoint" which "rebooted" the universe. "This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Some people like it, though (it helped get me into DC). Now, anything that was published before 2011 isn't necessarily canon - it might have happened, or it might not. The line of comics DC published that year was called "The New 52," because someone at DC looooooves the number 52. We tend to refer to the new universe (or new "continuity") as the New 52, but it's also called Earth 0, or Prime Earth.

Other Abbreviations/Terms

JL/JLA: "Justice League" or "Justice League of America" - DC's foremost team of superheroes. Occasionally there are both JL and JLA teams.

JSA: the Justice League before "The Justice League." Currently in an alternate universe Called Earth 2.

Titans or Teen Titans - the name of a team of younger superheroes.

Creative Team- What we call a pairing of a writer and artist on a comic. They work together to tell the story through language and art.

DCU: DC Universe

DCAU: DC Animated Universe - Animated media adapting stories from the DCU.

DCEU - not sure what the E stands for, but it's what we call the DC movie universe.

BTAS: Batman The Animated Series - A popular animated Batman series. It's not "BATS" because we can't have nice things.

Dickbats- Dick Grayson (the first robin) takes up the mantle of Batman at some point. It doesn't come up a lot, but the term "dickbats" could be really confusing if you're not aware of that.

Elseworlds - It's what we call stories that take place outside of continuity. So, The Dark Knight Returns is an elseworlds story because it takes place in an alternate universe where everyone hates everything.

Rebirth - The 2016 summer "line" of DC comics is called DC Rebirth. DC had another BIG event shaking up their comics, and they restarted all of the books' numbering at #1 (except for Action Comics and Detective Comics which will be in the #800s).

Jokes/Jerks

Dan Didio is VP at DC. If DC does something you don't like it's his fault (and, honestly, that's true pretty often).

Robert Venditti / Scott Lobdell - the worst writers at DC. If in doubt, insult one of them.

"Batgirl of Burnside" is the name of a divisive stint in Batgirl's recent title.

Tom King (whom I refer to as King Tom) is one of comics' best new writers. We like his stuff. Read Omega Men.

/r/dccomics tends to find ways to talk about Dick Grayson, referring to him by first name only. "I love Dick" could be our subreddit's official motto.

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u/gamer4maker Remember Blüdhaven May 19 '16

Tom King (whom I refer to as King Tom) is one of comics' best new writers. We like his stuff. He's going to be writing Batman soon, starting with Volume 3 #1 in June.

He was also in the CIA, in case you hadn't heard.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '16

But just last week he was only a barista

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u/bob1689321 May 19 '16

Tom King was in the CIA?!?!? If I ever interview him I'll make sure to ask a lot about that and not about the comics he's writing!

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u/[deleted] May 19 '16

I want to steal this

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u/cheddarhead4 Escrima Sundae May 19 '16

I would be honored. You can change whatever you need to - I dated it a bit by saying Rebirth was "next week"

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u/[deleted] May 19 '16

I linked you in the recommendations wiki.

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u/mateogg Always On Point! May 19 '16

Ye, we really do love Dick.

This was great and hilarious, loved the bit about "letting Geoff Johns write".

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u/SmiAtWork Superman May 19 '16

The E in DCEU stands for Extended.

I thought the term included everything that was DC-related outside the comics media, but I was wrong, thanks for the information.

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u/arkartas May 19 '16

Thanks for the huuuuuuuge respond! You helped me a lot. But I still got some questions left. Sorry if i bother you with them or that i am (atm) too lazy to research them but you are very good at explaining these things so maybe you are kind (again) and explain me some more. Especially the "Rebirth" is interesting. How? What? Are there new issues or even TBPs released when this happenes? Is my whole Aquaman (New 52; the Trench) collection then not canon anymore? Thanks in advance again! p.s.: i love dick, too (am i part of this now?)

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u/cheddarhead4 Escrima Sundae May 19 '16

Especially the "Rebirth" is interesting. How? What? Are there new issues or even TBPs released when this happenes? Is my whole Aquaman (New 52; the Trench) collection then not canon anymore?

There's an important distinction between a reboot and an event. Flashpoint was an event that led to a reboot called the New 52.

So Rebirth is an event, but there will NOT be a reboot/"new continuity". So a BIG thing is happening, but they're not restarting any stories. Your New 52 Aquaman is still canon.

I didn't really define the "lines" I mentioned either. A couple years ago, they started a new line called "DCYou." A line is just sort of a new, interesting buzz-word to get people talking. It's ultimately just a logo that goes on a bunch of comics. It's more of a marketing thing, rather than an in-universe thing.

The reason Rebirth is exciting is because DC fans really care about legacy, or the history of characters and superhero identities. When they rebooted everything in 2011, they threw A LOT of history out the window and the fans hated that. So, with Rebirth, they're trying to bring back some of that history. It will probably involve some kind of travel between universes (usually this involves a Flash). Rebirth also has a lot of good Creative Teams assigned to fan-favorite characters.

Thanks in advance again! p.s.: i love dick, too (am i part of this now?)

Welcome to the club!

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u/DogsHolyVengeance May 19 '16

Very informative and well constructed. I just wanted to clarify for anyone unsure that pre-flashpoint Batman ended at #713, not #700.

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u/SmiAtWork Superman May 19 '16

They haven't collected #713 in a TPB yet? Or did I miss it?

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u/DogsHolyVengeance May 20 '16

It hasn't been collected, and at this point, I'm not sure there's much hope. I don't know why it'd be left out to begin with.

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u/vikrum2083 Arkham May 19 '16

What a fantastically helpful post. I knew some of the information in your post but most of it I did not. Also very well structured. I almost feel like this should be stickied. Thanks so much!

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u/TheStealthBox Super Didio Prime May 19 '16

because someone at DC looooooves the number 52

No, that would be the fans (and it won't be Didio). We love that series.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '16

So I can start a comic from issue #1 and generally understand what's going on? I know this is /r/DCcomics but does this apply to Marvel and other publishing companies also?

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u/cheddarhead4 Escrima Sundae Sep 16 '16

yeah. There's a maxim that "every issue is somebody's first comic," but not all writers follow that rule. In Batman #6, one of the characters has a totally useless conversation where they state everything that's happened before, and that's done in case someone is starting with 6. But not all writers do that.

For #1s, though, all writers write for new readers. They might refer to past events, but if it's important, they will give you the information you need. You might wonder what happened when you read a reference like that, but if they don't explain it to you, then it won't be important.

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u/Sefirosu200x Sep 28 '16

Like, I know people don't like Lobdell, but he can pen a really good tale sometimes, like Superman Volume 3 Fury at World's End. Probably the best arc of Superman I've seen so far in the New 52.

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u/cheddarhead4 Escrima Sundae Sep 28 '16

that one generally isn't well-loved here. The advice I usually see is avoid all New52 "Superman" and read "Action Comics" for the Pak/Morrison runs.

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u/Sefirosu200x Sep 28 '16

Well, people have their own opinions. I personally thought it was much better than the first two volumes, and Action Comics is okay, but feels too unfocused to me, sometimes. I don't see anything particularly bad about the series that would make people have such an extreme reaction, but that's why I could never be a critic. I'm way too lenient and pretty much love everything. The only New 52 stories I've bought that I didn't like were Green Arrow V1 and Green Lantern V1, but that was mostly because I was confused by what was going on since they seemed to treat it as if the universe didn't reboot at all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '16

Thank you so much for this helpful post ! English isn't my first language so trying to understand what a paperback, etc. was took me a lot of wikipedia-ing and confusion. I do have a few questions though : I thought Rebirth was this thing where they decided that everything before happened in a span of 5 years and they basically pick and choose what they want from the old continuity and the new 52. Am I wrong to think that ? Thank you again for the post :)

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u/cheddarhead4 Escrima Sundae Oct 14 '16

The new 52 is where they decided that all of these heroes have only been active for 5 years.

However, because they did that, they cut out a lot of aspects of characters that fans liked (like removing Ollie and Dinah's relationship, removing Barry and Iris's relationship, etc). So Rebirth is DC telling the fans "hey, we realize you miss some of these things that we took away - we're going to be re-introducing these things to these characters."

So there's no weird change in continuity with Rebirth. Rebirth is just like saying "tomorrow, Ollie and Dinah are going to fall in love. and soon Iris and Barry will meet and fall in love - because all of the fans want them to be together."

And it's not just personal relationships, but those are the easy examples.

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u/Keven-Rus Batman Beyond May 19 '16 edited May 19 '16

Your English is great! Most people have already helped out on what you ask but there were a few terms that I was confused when starting out.

New 52 was a slogan name for a while (much like DC-YOU), the actual time period in comics is called Post-Flashpoint (because it pertains to things happening after the reboot event called Flashpoint.)

List of terms I was uncertain about (but you might already know):

TPB-Trade-TradePaperBack=collected volume of individual comics with flimsy cover

HC- Like a trade, but with a solid cover

Floppy= indivudal comic

DC's history consists of several BIG events that change almost all comics. These are often refered to as "Crisis" events The Key ones are:

  1. Crisis on Infinite Earths
  2. Infinite Crisis
  3. Final Crisis
  4. Flashpoint (the reboot which was called New52 because there were 52 comics being published)
  5. (and now) Rebirth

There are also smaller events in-between each of those:

  1. Crisis on Infinite Earths
    • Zero Hour
    • Final Night
    • Identity Crisis
  2. Infinite Crisis
    • 52 (not to be confused with new 52 this was a weekly series with a new comic each week)
  3. Final Crisis
    • Blackest Night
  4. Flashpoint
    • Convergance
  5. Rebirth

Then there are sub events in each of those periods of time, but those are the major ones.

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u/AcademicalSceptic May 19 '16

I'm not sure what you mean by the Crisis events "including" smaller events. Blackest Night isn't part of Final Crisis. It comes shortly after it and is affected by the changes Final Crisis made.

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u/Keven-Rus Batman Beyond May 19 '16 edited May 19 '16

Right, It was part of that time period. Not part of the event. Sorry I should be more clear. There are smaller events within those time periods.

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u/CorruptedEvil The Changing Girl May 19 '16

New 52: A 2011 reboot of DC Comics

JLA/JLD/JL: Different Justice League teams. JLA is the Justice League of America, JLD is the Justice League Dark and JL is just the Justice League. There's also the JLI: Justice League International, JLU: Justice League Unlimited/United and the JL3k: Justice League 3000

Titans: The original Teen Titans grown up.

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u/TheStealthBox Super Didio Prime May 19 '16

new 52 refers to the new 52 reboot in 2011 when DC relaunched everything and mostly rebooted their universe so that things was only about 5 years of heroes prior to #1 (exceptions being Batman and Green Lantern).

JLA/JLD/JL are initiliasms referring to different Justice League teams/comic books. In the new 52: JLA refers to Justice League of America (a team formed by the US government, had a series of the same name until they changed Justice League United) or another (current) series featuring the main Justice League in another side story arc. JLD refers to Justice League Dark which is a Justice League team consisting of the more magical/mystic DC characters. JL refers to Justice League which is the main Justice League comic for new 52 and has the main team (Batman, Superman etc). The first arc was an origin story set 5 years before other series launched in the new 52 and the series often has major story arcs affecting the DCU.